It’s a long-honored tradition that liberals fuck over progressives.
If leftists and progressives actually voted in primaries none of the fuckery would have amounted to anything, but they don’t.
I’ll just leave this here.
https://prospect.org/2024/06/18/2024-06-18-former-dccc-leaders-incumbent-house-democrats/
None of that addresses my point that none of you fuckin people vote in the fuckin primaries. If cons can tea party the republicans into fuckin nazis, goddamn leftists can tea party the dems into something halfway socialist, BUT THEY DON’T FUCKING VOTE IN PRIMARIES.
The Dems cheat heavily in the primaries. As someone who votes in them and pays attention to the minutia of rule changes and who’s in the bureaucracy, I know. The most obvious cheating was with Bernie in 2016, if you feel like learning about this fact.
When it comes to your false equivalency about the tea party, what you’re leaving out is money.
See, the Pubs cheat in primaries too. Normally, the tea party would never have gained power. What got the tea party to the position where they could take over, was billions and billions and billions of dollars in funding, over decades.
Can you think of some hundred billionaires who’d like to donate heavily to the long-term goal of destroying their own power? Then we could easily take over the Democratic party in only the span of a generation. Without the billions, forget about it. There is a buy-in to go to war.
The fact that you don’t know any of this, brings into focus why you believe as you do. I love your passion. We need your passion fighting the right things at the right times. So you’d benefit us all and yourself if you looked into everything I’m saying.
Vote, vote in primaries, but neither will fix the issue so you should be doing other things too, and definitely not attacking allies as if they’re simply not trying hard enough to bang their heads against a brick wall.
The “cheating” (prove that shit, by the way) wouldn’t amount to diddly fuck if goddamn progressives and leftists actually goddamn voted in the fuckin primaries.
Your attitude makes the whole viewpoint you espouse, look puerile and foolish. Not only are you not converting anyone, you are actively driving people from your cause. Which I can only assume now is your goal.
After 2016, the DNC got sued and stated in court that they are a private entity that does not have to abide by their primary results, that their primaries are just for show. It’s part of the public record.
There is plenty of other information for you to find on the 2016 DMC shenanigans leading up to that court case, but you come of as terribly disingenuous. So this pointer in the right direction is all the labor you’ll get from me.
Hey, vote in the fucking primaries or shut the fuck up. Tell me specifically how telling people to fucking vote since it’s the bare fuckin minimum political engagement is actually trying not to get people to vote. You got some fuckin republican logic here. Vote in the fuckin primaries. If you didn’t vote in the fuckin primaries then you are part of the problem. Once fuckin again my position consists of VOTE IN THE FUCKING PRIMARIES. Fuck the rest of your bullshit.
Leftists do vote in the primaries. They vote more then centrists do. That’s not in doubt. The question is how we are supposed to handle the traitors. What do you do with snakes that hide their colors during the primary, but then betray the base during the general? You could say, “just vote for the traitor now, and vote them out next primary,” but that’s tone-deaf advice. First it rewards traitors. Second, when the next election comes around, suddenly the same exact people telling you “wait til the next primary” change their tune to “we can’t give up an incumbent seat in Ohio, this primary challenge is irresponsible!”
For liberals, there simply is never a proper time to punish libshit dems that betray their voters.
Unfounded bullshit
How else are the Dems gonna make sure Trump is successful and free?
Oh look perfectly timed dissent for dem voters. Right before.m the midterms
Truth do not care about your feeling and your political cult
Dems are awful they made their shitty bed now they lie in it
Rare to see a MAGA supporter here.
I don’t support MAGA.
Did you vote?
Not for Harris.
Miss me with that coronation bullshit. Fuck the DNC
Then you supported MAGA. Go sit down and learn something.
if you want to view it like that, go right ahead. I won’t vote “blue no matter who” though, that’s lemming behavior and a totally retarded stance to take
In 2016 they had a coordinated and clear effort to undermine the election and get Hilary in the primary over Bernie. Trump won.
In 2024 they all agreed to not challenge Biden despite serious concerns the ones in the know must have had.
Thats twice now they rolled out the red carpet for trump and in both cases it was to make damn sure their preferred candidate won the primary voters be damned.
It really should be brought up each election because it seems like they really want to keep doing it.
Dissent? I think you meant “accurate reporting”.
(MJ does political reporting every day, 24-7, 365)
It can be both. The timing is suspect.
Oh come the fuck on.
It’s been a decade at this point. Bernie lost because he had fewer votes than a former First Lady, and senator who has been a part of the party for decades.
Bernie lost because, in his entire tenure in the senate, he didn’t want to join the team. He sat off on the sidelines (voting with the democrats but not being a part of the apparatus), and then decided he wanted to be the captain of the football team.
Did the super delegates favor the establishment choice? Yeah. They favored her over the guy who joined the party that summer to run for president. Is this really that surprising to people?
It’s been a fucking decade. If online liberals put half as much energy into organizing that they did complaining about Bernie losing then trump would never have been fucking elected in the first place.
You’d have a much better point if Hillary didn’t proceed to lose against the man who went on to become the most inept President at time of writing.
I’m sorry who had more votes? Who also benefitted from a foreign attack on our elections?
You seriously don’t think that they would also have attacked Bernie? Cmon.
Shouldn’t they favour the person that the public likes and is most likely to win?
I’d say it’s actually more embarrassing than that.
2016 he was caught by surprise that black voters in the south preferred the centrist candidate.
2020 the same thing happened to him and he did absolutely nothing to shore up that weakness. He learned nothing. He even got lucky at the start with the field of centrists splitting the vote, but eventually they sorted their strategy out and beat him.
Bernie just has the worst goddamn campaign instincts. I remeber hearing his campaign staff were all people who got rejected from the Obama 08 campaign, and instances where his door to door knockers would try to argue with anyone who said they weren’t voting for Bernie.
Add in that he endorsed Graham Platner, it’s clear he just never had the juice.
Bernie is the prototypical idealist. He says the right things, but because of his inability to actually compromise he does nothing.
He’s been a meek politician at best, who says the right thing. The downvotes on here just prove my point. The truth is hard to look in the face. And the people who sat at home are just as fucking guilty as the people who voted for trump.
Jesus, what more could possibly be said about this a full ten years after?
I mean, for the last ten years people have been telling me I’m a conspiracy theorist for saying that the DNC fucked over Sanders, so I appreciate this article for backing me up lol
The DNC fucked over Bernie.
The primary voters voted for Hillary over Bernie, even before the superdelegates became relevant at the convention.
Both can be true.
Regardless of all the shenanigans with the superdelegates, I highly doubt that the DNC would have nominated Hillary if Bernie had actually won the primaries.
Voters could have seen through the DNC shenanigans and chose Bernie, but they didn’t.
It’s the same with all the dark money corporate contributions… Does it influence the result? The data surely shows that it does, but voters still have the choice to NOT let that dark money spending influence their decision.
Oh my God, how did you not already find one of the hundreds of other articles that gave that same validation in the last 10 years? If you were waiting for this moment for that, that’s pretty much on you.
This comment could have been avoided by 20 seconds of scanning the link.
All of that stuff in the book was more or less out in the open and publicity known during the primary campaign. Leftists and progressives could have registered to vote in the primary, and if they had none of the fuckery would have amounted to anything. But they didn’t and Hillary got nearly double the votes Bernie did. Also Bernie isn’t a democrat, everybody ignores this, of course the democratic party would favor an actual democrat for their nomination, but I digress. If leftists and progressives actually voted he’d have won, but they didn’t, and it wasn’t remotely close.
Ten years is awkwardly too recent to have emotional distance from the consequences and too late to be timely.
Some people need a constant reminder of the type of people they support
The article is really about how the situation informs the current landscape and strategy for 2026 and 2028, but I guess you didn’t read it before commenting
Since they’re still beating the dead horse I’ve got something different to say:
Bernie Sanders lost the primaries by Millions of votes. Not Thousands, Not Hundreds of Thousands, but Millions.
He wasn’t even a DNC member and he got invited in the first place.
Sure, but he was already losing by an overwhelming majority before anyone voted. Hillary had something like 40 delegates already.
Edit: 360 delegates, actually.
And if all the Bernie supporters had actually registered and voted in the primary they could have changed that, but they didn’t. Bernie supporters not voting for Bernie in the primary are the main cause of Bernie losing.
So you’re saying that if Bernie started with 40 more delegates that MILLIONS more people would have voted for him instead? Fat chance, pal.
If it doesn’t matter, then why not just make it fair?
What fuckin fair? It may be bullshit but it’s a private party, literally, and they didn’t need to let Bernie run at all, but they did. Quit moving the goalposts. The facts remain no matter what the DNC did or didn’t do Bernie lost the primary, overwhelmingly, because nobody voted for him.
If you want me to come up with a reason why the person who receives millions more votes should become the representative then clearly you oppose democracy and idgaf about your opinion on anything.
Being chosen by the people is what is fair.
Isn’t that the popular vote?..
Popular vote: HRC: 16,917,853 Bernie: 13,210,550
Percentage: 55.2%, 43.1%We’ve been discussing how Bernie lost the popular vote this entire time. It was a brutal defeat where he was 2 digit percent margin. Even worse, in 2020 he lost to Joseph Biden when Biden literally doubled his vote.
Ah look, people who want division in the left, right before the generals. I wonder what their true intentions might be. /s
20 seconds of scanning (not even reading) the article would show you how ridiculous your comment is.
Which is 19 seconds longer than they can ever read
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Are you having a fun time today promoting oligarchy, war, and being anti-trans?
Please enlighten me and everyone else where I’ve done that or kindly go back to cheering on the dems that brought us trump
lmao
