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      https://infosec.pub/comment/23712904

      Trump’s policies were all unpopular and people hated his ideas.

      He won because media told people the Democrat’s good ideas were his and that only be could be trusted to implement them, and too many believed it. He copied promises from Kamala outright and media only reported on his statements and not hers.

      People LIKED the Democrat campaign plan. They were simply convinced to not trust it by propaganda.

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        Sure, but justified or not, the personality behind the policies is very important to most ppl. She was the least popular candidate in the primaries. She ran a presumptuous half-assed victory lap campaign. She ran to the center and proposed nothing new or inspiring. She avoided difficult topics and fumbled when confronted with them. So, her policies were mostly fine (except of course that big one), but people maybe don’t want a non-leader type former cop to spearhead those policies.

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            I’ve never seen Kamala show the level of intelligence, gravitas, or understanding of world events that Hillary has.

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          In what context? Both are poisonous to any campaign.

          Hiliary has experience in office but is very much a warmonger and happy to attack populations campaigns in Detroit need to attract.

          If in terms of being in office she’d fit more in the GOP with what she campaigned on in her presidential runs.

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            Nah, Hillary is a bad choice because the GOP has been working on anti-hillary messaging since the 90s.

            If she got the job, she’d probably be one of the best presidents in US history.

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              GOP went after her terrible personality no politics. They only hate her because she runs as a democrat not a republican. See trump. Who again started being popular again because of Hilarys birther attacks on Obama

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      You’re learning the wrong thing

      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/sep/30/harris-trump-economic-proposals-poll

      Kamala Harris’s economic policies proved far more popular than Donald Trump’s plans in a blind test of their proposals.

      https://www.levyinstitute.org/publications/trump-wins-while-americans-vote-for-progressive-policies/

      This was not a loss on policy. This was not a loss on ideas.

      This was a propaganda war, people were lead to fear the Democratic party and were convinced Trump was a good businessman.

      People said they voted for Trump due to the economy, while every economic policy they liked when presented it without a name attached came from Kamala. They HATED Trump’s ideas when his name wasn’t attached.

      Stop teaching yourself the wrong lesson. Get prepared to fight the propaganda, don’t join the infighting.

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          Listen to her speak, she is actually really good at presenting her policies, the issue is nobody will pay attention to her and she won’t lie to get the attention she feels she needs like Vance has stated he does. Remember during the 2024 election cycle when she literally had to chase down reporters? There are endless examples of her walking up to the press and trying to discuss policy just for them to shut her down without a chance to speak… meanwhile those exact same people were doing anything to be the 9 trillionth person to report on whatever nonsensical blatant lies and hate were spilling out of Trump’s mouth at the time.

          And all of that aside…how in the fuck are you going to claim somebody lost to Trump because they were bad at presenting policy? Trump has the poorest speaking abilities of anybody in the entire history of US politics, same with his displayed understanding of policies, laws, governmental structure, constitutional framework, etc. He is literally the absolute worst we’ve ever had at all of the things you say are the reasons the other side lost.

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              What cult am I in? I’ve spent my entire life advocating for human and worker rights against both parties and every organization in the US government. I’ve been personally blocked by countless US reps and law enforcement organizations across the country.

              You were literally arguing antithetical statements and jumped to baseless name calling when you were called on it. You can’t claim somebody lost to Trump over their ability to discuss policy when Trump himself is the de facto worst policy speaker in the entire history of the country, dude even routinely shits on his own policies and verbatim states that whoever signed them in is the worst president ever…while taking credit for the things democrats passed after he shit talked it while it was up for debate.

              Are you sure you aren’t in a cult? Right wing authoritarianism is just as popular in Europe as it is in the US, how are you making sure you aren’t being misled into believing contradictory things…like the statements you made here.

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                you are called a Democrat, shouldn’t you believe in some sort of inherent sacredness of popularity? why champion the verifiably least popular known Democrat?

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      Yes, let’s send away every popular democrat, why even bother winning over Trump, even if the other option isn’t ideal