~500 comments about our instance and admins in the past week. Talk about needing to touch some grass…
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It’s honestly sad, almost to the point where defederating from them would be better
But I’m sure we’d be loosing good people from hexbear too
Eh, I don’t plan on defederating over such drama. They see some value in some of our users and we see some value in some of their users and we can ban the red-fash apologists and disinfo peddlers if they become a problem.
I’ve never had a positive interaction with anyone on that instance.
I had to join a defederated server after the mods sent hexbear users my way to harass he after a I reported users for harassment…
As someone no longer part of their drama, yall should defederate.
Ah here we go, grab your pop-corn and head over to thread #7 :D
The first comment is about you harassing them in dms now you’re doing a call out post because they banned you for harassment?
Isn’t that kind of proving their point?
I didn’t harass in dms. I sent a single dm as a reply to the banning message.
https://hexbear.net/comment/4892908
Then why do they have so many examples?
There’s like 2 there
Edit: Fucksakes people, read the text in the images. Two of them are the exact same message from db0 with the above/below cropped out. And read the to/from.
The harassment is coming from the person taking the screenshots, db0 is the one not harassing people. Though he isn’t being super nice, I can’t really blame him.
Of what? I replied to their replies. That’s not harassment
Is this you admitting that those screens are all real?..
Er ye? I never denied it.
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I have them blocked personally, awful server
You may want to remember that blocking servers in lemmy only really targets the communities and doesn’t target users from the instance. So in these situations it kinda doesn’t do anything. It’s a common misconception that instance blocking in Lemmy is stronger than it actually is and many people think it does things that it doesn’t actually do.
Users can now block instances. Similar to community blocks, it means that any posts from communities which are hosted on that instance are hidden. However the block doesn’t affect users from the blocked instance, their posts and comments can still be seen normally in other communities.
then defederate?
hexbear and lemmygrad should burn in hell, they’re one of the worst places on the internetOnly instance admins can do that though lol
To quote KRS1- “Give me relief, squash all beef, don’t let these arguments destroy us”
Which is why hex voted against defederation ahah, hex and dbzer0 users are largely allies from what I’ve seen so it’s kind of funny the admin is banned.
Eh, They were gunning for an excuse to ban me for months now. Their mod admitted as much. Eventually I lost my cool from all their harassment facilitation and rampart hypocrisy and and gave them one.
Drama like this is exactly why I laugh when people say its better on lemmy than reddit, its just a different flavor of the same shit when you’re on All.
But no ads tho.
I use adblock :/
Oh so I’m not the only one. The users on Hexbear are always angry for some reason.
That’s because it’s a toxic community
Not from what I’ve seen, it’s just not tolerant of liberalism.
I believed that, myself, for quite some time. I ended up blocking them, however, despite being an anarcho-syndicalist. The instance has very much cultivated a toxic and anti-social culture where the most active users are climbing over eachother for a chance to “dunk” on someone.
Just like right-wingers abuse outrage to get a rush some of the polygonimals clearly have become addicted to aggressive behaviors, with the rush from bullying and dunking being rather apparently more important than leftism. It’s a problem.
Additionally, their claims of anti-sectarianism and dialectics do not hold water when they are quick to label dissenting leftists as libs so that they can justify bans for those who don’t toe the line.
Not from what I’ve seen, it’s just not tolerant
of liberalism.There, I fixed it for you.
Not in my experience, they are very tolerant towards Marxists, Anarchists, trans people, etc. Liberalism is bannable, though.
Well yes they just label anyone who they want to be removed a “liberal”, like they did with me.
Take it as a badge of honor. All clowns over there… First instance I blocked, and it reduced the toxicity on Lemmy by 70% on the spot.
I’ve read the things you have posted, and IMHO you were banned for being a loud dumbass
Sure, whatever. That’s their prerogative. But if you also insult me and delete my comments explaining our position so as to allow your disinfo the fester all the better, I might just call you a disingenuous pos
Edit to say, that being a loud mouth is not a “liberal” or “reactionary” either 😁
to be honest: hexbear is an awful instance, and to me absolutely nothing would be lost if we just defederated from them. they are a constant source of drama, are awfully quick with the banhammer if they get criticized, and have cultivated an echo chamber that makes any meaningful discussions with them impossible. comparing them to lemmygrad is more than valid, and noone bats an eye when someone defederates from that cesspool.
i’m really for keeping as many doors as possible open, but the big question is if we really want the door open to an openly authoritarian and for the most part radicalized community. looking at the comments here, i can see that i am not the only one who thinks this way.
you can always refederate after the fact if you want to, It’s not like a fusible cpu in an xbox 360 or something lol.
If I’m reading their “interesting” voting system correctly, it’s surprisingly level headed https://mander.xyz/post/12788313
In my personal experience, Hexbear is a group of rational actors with strongly held beliefs and 0 tolerance for liberalism. If you aren’t a liberal/conservative/fascist/some other right winger, and you aren’t a left-sectarian, it’s a pretty reasonable space.
The bulk of the “mythology” surrounding Hexbear comes from people defederating from it and allowing that mystique to fester in their minds. I suggest people just go there and check it out, you don’t have to agree with them, but it does eliminate the idea that they are a toxic instance.
It’s funny how butthurt they always get about the simplest shit. It’s kinda hilarious.
Their instance has always been blocked on my end since the second lemmy added the instance block feature, but since that only gets rid of posts, my individual user block list has grown to about 40 hb users by now. Life gets better every time I add one to it. I hopped over there for a second and saw them gloating about banning you from their instance like it was some huge win. And then shitting on db0 because they’re “not real pirates” because they… don’t support dictatorships or something? Lol wtf?
Do not ever try to reason with them because you are burning your breath. I am surprised you have tolerated them this long. Quite literally, the only thing that can ever be done with hardcore radical trolls is blocking or defederating. Removing their voice always hurts them the most, because their only source of energy is controversy.
I think the rest of us reasonable folk really love what you do here db0. This has been by far the most stable, cleanest instance I’ve been on so far, and i’ve tried 3 or 4 of them. don’t let the assholes try and pull you down for not kowtowing to their weird ideology. Keep it up!
Edit: And as expected, the downvote brigade is monitoring this post, lol.
Maybe stop being so cringe and acting like a baby
I was born in cringe. Molded by it…
Just remind me again, which instance produces hundreds of hate comments every time one of their shitty takes is removed from another instance? Hint: it’s not us. They have zero tolerance for us, so why should we be tolerant of them exactly? I’m curious to know your logic.
Edit: and every downvote is from .ml. Wonder why they are wading in on this? Lol
What hate comments are you talking about? I legit don’t know what you are talking about and I post there almost exclusively. You say ‘not us’ but what is this post full of attempted shame on hexbear then? Have you seen the hex thread about defederating? The hex users share kindness for dbzer0 users, the reasons for the banning seemed pretty reasonable and consistent with their policies, and they voted against defederating. From my perspective this whole situation seems a bit immature.
This whole thing started because one .ml poster got salty than we removed one post of theirs from piracy and went there to whine as they know hexbear loves to just believe any disinfo that reinforces their dislike. At which point it was a thread full of insults and hate (as usual). When I tried to explain calmly why we actually removed the post, there were a few initial positive interactions which were followed by Americans waking up and starting the bad faith arguments with a bit of ableism sprinkled in for good measure.
Finally I misused one unwritten rule, once, by following the example of someone who used it towards me (which I respected) which their mod used as an excuse to insult me, remove all my comments and ban me.
I gave them a piece of my mind for that behaviour and the rest is history.
This post is the only attention I’ve given hexbear in this instance since months (the second such attention in total) , while they’ve had multiple of them in the past month alone. Not to mention 1000-comment brigades full of toxicity and sealioning in the past year. Hell they even made a thread explicitly to ridicule my pfp for good measure 😁 I’m not even allowed to vent in my own space apparently.
But sure, we’re immature.
Citation needed on all this abuse you keep talking about
What do you expect? There’s a reason everyone who has a desire to maintain their sanity has defederated from them.
Hexbear and lemmygrad are the only instances I blocked in-client, and it was a drastic instant improvement.
There’s some good peeps there and they help in keeping the crypto-fash in check. But their clannishness is unchecked.
they help in keeping the crypto-fash in check
Unless your users at large are crypto fascists I don’t think you need crypto authoritarians to keep crypto fascists in check.
Well their criticism of the current system is on-point, and they can help counter pro-capitalism ideologues. It’s just that their praxis tends to be shite when they try to be all “vanguard of the proletariat” or overuse their “bullying” as a tactic.
Do we really need their help keeping fascists in check? Problem is hexbears consider everyone who’s not on ml or hexbear to be an ipso facto fascist, and act accordingly. There’s zero room in their ideology for anyone with more moderate political views. I’d say the majority of our users are probably left leaning, but unless they happen to want the violent destruction of the western liberal democracies, then they just aren’t left enough for hexbears to accept.
Having said all that, I feel like we’ve managed to successfully remove most of the overt political trolling from hexbear on our instance lately, so our own communities aren’t too affected. But they really hate the fact we’ve been clamping down on them.
I’ll also acknowledge the majority of hexbear’s users don’t go trolling. They seem to have a bunch of well meaning people who are focussed on community building, a bunch of political history/theory enthusiasts, and a bunch of awful trolls who are just there for the lulz. You can see in their own modlogs that there’s tensions within their instance between those groups.
So, it’s a complicated situation to deal with, and depending which groups you interact with, you might have a very different experience. From my own experience I’d say the bad far outweighs the good though.
I don’t care for the drama on Hexbear. And I don’t care for it here either. This post is drama baiting.
The real question is: how to we harness the power of their toxicity to build an army worthy of Mordor?
Sadly no way has been found yet to harness the power of the terminally online trolls.
I’m glad that v19 of Lemmy introduced user-facing instance block settings. Just block hexbear and move on.
Funny, in this ‘drama’ hex voted against defederation and voiced support for dbzer0 users. The bans from hex admins seemed reasonable if you look at the event history.
Hey db0 and mods!
Since you’re just humans and we never know if the insults are slowly getting to you or you’re just having doubts, I want to give a voice to the lurkers in here and reiterate one thing: I feel exceptionally well taken care of in this instance! I’m extremely happy to be a part of it, I don’t even know what a downtime is and I don’t see much drama or toxicity if any at all. I’m simply loving Lemmy (yes, seriously!), I’m loving my time on it and I can just focus on following the communities I’m passionate in, which is the main point of Lemmy. I’m also aware that this does not happen without considerable hard work from the people behind it. So while I’m sure most of it goes unnoticed, I hope to at least convey with this that it’s not taken for granted or unappreciated in the slightest bit. A very big thanks to you all (and I try to donate where I can) <3
As for my personal experience, whenever a hexbear post makes it into my feed it’s mostly an overly aggressive political take or straight up trolling. It reminds me of the League of Legends kind of humour: It’s supposed to be a joke, but it’s not explicitly spelled out that it’s a joke and it attacks the individual. It’s a mix of aggressive trolling and just straight up toxicity. You just never know if you’re supposed to take it serious or not. But I personally like to have a choice if I eventually want to block them or not, and I feel like having a choice is one of the common threads between FOSS, Linux, the fediverse, self-hosting, piracy and so on.
But, while I do appreciate this, it isn’t crucial to my experience on Lemmy. So, if at any time this balance is taking too much of a toll on you guys, it wouldn’t be a big deal for me if we would “lose contact” with hexbear. Last thing I want is to slowly cook your sanity bit by bit, with each passing day a bit more, over something that is frankly not that important. I’d rather prefer you focus on what you love doing, be that doing technical stuff, improving the instance, memeing around, learning new stuff or simply discussing things with other people in peace. Life is much too short to argue with people, and over the internet it’s even worse!
Feels really good to read that. Thank you!
I don’t think they cook our sanity bit by bit. We all are pretty resilient and take a good chuckle whenever something like this happens.
Hey matey. Your comment is much appreciated! Thanks for taking the time.
