Auction: https://www.sav.com/auctions/details/7073489/hexbear.net
Not sure what will happen, but seems to be a Fediverselore event for sure
Update: post from hexbear admin on chapo.chat: https://chapo.chat/post/4468531
Lol
Sad but kinda hilarious. Lemmy.ca appears to have a better succession plan in place through the nonprofit organization…
Yeah they got their shit together pretty well. The admin is a great person and I admire them for what they did.
Stop giving them attention. That’s the only thing they care about. If a tankie wants to have a ‘debate’ with you just say ‘ok’ and move on.
They have no power or any effect on anything. By making them seem bigger than they really are (some niche leftist nutjobs) you only attract new cultists looking to sate their moral superiority kink.
I am not writing this to shit on them, but I have to appreciate the irony in the situation. Something about a communist community getting messed up by lapses in individual responsibility, or an authoritarian leaning community getting messed up by fuckups in leadership.
Their instance seems to be back up again. A sad day for us all.
It should probably go to furry coders.
I’m not up to date with my Hexbear knowledge, is hexbear dead?
Hexbear is very much alive. I just visited to check, and instantly ran into some bullshit, and left again.
It looks to me like sav.com is some kind of domain name scammer. They trick people into registering their domains with them by offering low prices, and then some time later once you’ve come to depend on the domain, proceed to some kind of abusive process like this where they’ll let totally separate people (allegedly-real separate people) “bid” on your domain, and force you to pay whatever exceeds the highest bid, if you want to keep control of it. I honestly don’t know how it is allowed.
It looks to me like Hexbear got suckered into registering with them, displaying the same savvy critical thinking skills that serve them so well in so many other areas. I don’t think the domain expires until a year from now? Am I misunderstanding, or is sav.com just getting the jump on extorting some money from Hexbear? I realize it would be funny to jump in and bid the price up, but be aware that (1) you are giving money to some genuinely godawful people, quite a bit worse than just a bunch of confused aggressive pro-left people, if you win (2) you won’t even get your entertainment until a year from now, unless I am misunderstanding something.
They literally had the chance to renew at the low price and just put it off and lost contact with whoever owned the domain, for some reason they didn’t have multiple users with the login. Easy way toa void this wouldve been transferring the domain to the person hosting and paying the 12$ within the year they had to do it.
Their domain expired a month ago, this is pretty normal for a registrar to do with expired domains.
Updated Date: 2025-02-11T17:35:29Z Creation Date: 2021-01-12T00:35:25Z Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2025-01-12T00:35:22ZWhere do you see this? Whois says:
- Domain: hexbear.net
- Registered On: 2021-01-12
- Expires On: 2026-01-12
- Updated On: 2025-02-11
That’s also what sav.com says under domain details “Expiration Date.”
Whois also says “client transfer prohibited.” Fucking scumbags. Don’t give them money.
Not them, but here you go
Edit: Okay, I figured it out.
NOTICE: The expiration date displayed in this record is the date the registrar's sponsorship of the domain name registration in the registry is currently set to expire. This date does not necessarily reflect the expiration date of the domain name registrant's agreement with the sponsoring registrar. Users may consult the sponsoring registrar's Whois database to view the registrar's reported date of expiration for this registration.So, as I had guessed, sav.com registered it “for them” for one year more than they actually wanted to register, and then when there was some minor billing issue, used it as an opportunity to do a cash grab. Fuck sav.com, is basically what I’m saying.
Previous comment, before the edit:
IDK what’s going on with that web site, but it’s wrong. Or, sav.com updated something to backdate the expiration or something else shady like that.
$ whois hexbear.net | head -n20 Domain Name: HEXBEAR.NET Registry Domain ID: 2584175083_DOMAIN_NET-VRSN Registrar WHOIS Server: whois-service.virtualcloud.co Registrar URL: http://sav.com/ Updated Date: 2025-02-11T17:34:08Z Creation Date: 2021-01-12T00:35:22Z Registry Expiry Date: 2026-01-12T00:35:22Z Registrar: Sav.com, LLC Registrar IANA ID: 609 Registrar Abuse Contact Email: abuse-contact@sav.com Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.8885808790 Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited https://icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited Name Server: NS1-EXPIRED.SAV.COM Name Server: NS2-EXPIRED.SAV.COMI trust running whois more than I trust a web site. Like I say, I have no explanation why they would be wrong, but they’re wrong. Maybe sav.com registers it “on behalf of” their clients, and sets the meta-expiration one year after to give them time to fuck around with auctions? Something weird like that? And then it’s only paid until last month, and because a card had expired or something trivial like that, they decided to throw it into this auction process?
As much as I think it’s funny to make fun of Hexbear, I don’t think people should be celebrating them getting fucked over by criminals.
As much as I think it’s funny to make fun of Hexbear, I don’t think people should be celebrating them getting fucked over by criminals.Edit: They’re over on chapo.chat now, blaming the whole thing not on sav.com, or on themselves for choosing a registrar for an important server without doing due diligence, but on DNS itself and the architects of the internet. I take it back. Fuck 'em.
They are still the same
0·3 months agoWtf are you talking about??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Thats one user being unhappy with how the system functions
They are clearly blaming the admin going AWOL and not paying, and themselves for not getting the domain transfered.
https://chapo.chat/c/chapotraphouse?dataType=Post&sort=TopDay
https://chapo.chat/post/4468515?sort=Top
I did see the much more reasonable post from the site admin. That one was fine, I should have made that clear. I was mocking the users of the site freaking out, to broad and sustained applause, over how DNS is a capitalist plot when it is just about the furthest thing from it that exists on the modern internet.
I also thought it was funny that they found some GNU tool that was a replacement, but then freaked out minorly because in the docs it talks about some issue related to censorship of the Chinese internet, and we are not allowed to talk about that, that is a bad thought, it’s not real it’s not real.
Also, this is absolutely true:
As an aside, this site has a way better layout and interface than all the other lemmies. Seriously the most comfortable way to browse and it even works well on mobile.
I don’t know why it hasn’t been shared, or picked up by anyone else. Lemmy.ml if nowhere else. I never really browsed Hexbear on its own instance before today. It’s a little bit garish, on purpose, but not overly much and it all fits together and looks peaceful and attractive. It is not “show me the UX equivalent of a pile of unvarnished planks” like the default theming.
Just off whois on linux, but I’m not clear why it lists two different sets of dates. I’m guessing querying the root whois vs the registrar, and hexbear is currently in the process of fixing their domain which is why one set is 2026.
~$ whois hexbear.net Domain Name: HEXBEAR.NET Registry Domain ID: 2584175083_DOMAIN_NET-VRSN Registrar WHOIS Server: whois-service.virtualcloud.co Registrar URL: http://sav.com/ Updated Date: 2025-02-11T17:34:08Z Creation Date: 2021-01-12T00:35:22Z Registry Expiry Date: 2026-01-12T00:35:22Z >>> Last update of whois database: 2025-02-11T20:42:41Z <<< *snip* Domain Name: HEXBEAR.NET Registry Domain ID: 2584175083_DOMAIN_NET-VRSN Registrar WHOIS Server: whois-service.virtualcloud.co Registrar URL: https://www.sav.com/ Updated Date: 2025-02-11T17:35:29Z Creation Date: 2021-01-12T00:35:25Z Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2025-01-12T00:35:22Z Registrar: SAV.COM, LLC *snip* >>> Last update of WHOIS database: 2025-02-11T17:35:29Z <<<Unless the +1 year date is the registrar holding it for themselves to auction off, which seems equally likely.
Unless the +1 year date is the registrar holding it for themselves to auction off, which seems equally likely.
Yeah, that’s what it is. Whois actually explained it to me, and I didn’t bother to read it the first time. I made an edit.
HOSTINGER IS LITERALLY A SCAM WHAT, known scam within the community for doing exactly what you claim sav does insane af that you would suggest that, look around reddit or lowendtalk. Actually comedy to see that suggestion under you making those claims about sav.com lol.
What on earth are you talking about?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Hostinger/top/?t=all
I see people incredibly upset about the poor customer service. That’s pretty accurate. Maybe I should not recommend them, I’ve had some similar issues but never terribly bad and I wrote it off as “jank.” That’s why it’s cheap. When did anyone say it’s a scam or they extort extra money?
They play the long game, first 3 years will prob be chill, once you’re stuck with them https://www.reddit.com/r/Domains/comments/1big23f/hostinger_domain_renewal_scamming_hostinger_is_a/
They probably survive, but they will basically be switching infrastructure and losing all sorts of shit, so their size will be much smaller and weaker.
You’re being downvoted for this, weird.
Tankies are downvoting enmasse in this thread, especially Hexbear users on alts.
Tankies think downvoting and taking over internet forums is praxis and that “anarchkiddies” don’t read theory. Karl Marx and Stalin said take over reddit communities and downvoting is the first step of transitioning into communism.
I hate downvotes because they are super arbitrary and oftentimes really petty. Obviously I recognise they can be useful to weed out horrible and discriminatory stuff, but often they are used as a sort of “disagree” button.
The beauty of lemmy though is can be (and am) on an instance with downvotes disabled . So have the exact same experience except only upvotes are possible.
Piefed has a great community setting feature making them a bit more reliable/useful although it doesn’t fix how people are using it:
They’ll probably stay in chapo.chat, and instance owners will update their blocked lists. A few users lost because they can’t be arsed to re-register, instead using
.ml. But, past that, not much is going to change, I think.I’m mildly curious on what’s going to happen with their older domain - or, what the winning bidder will make out of it. (Document bad online behaviour? Make it about NATO to rub salt on their wounds? What else?)
Except they already said that the same issue will occur with the backup name as well. Unless the additional time allows the original owner to finally reregister it this time, as they (reportedly) claimed to be ready to do for the main one as well. I think they don’t trust them anymore:-).
So everyone might move, then have to move again a second time. Not joking btw!:-)
Is it weird that I feel bad for them? Whoever is to blame, a lot of the users are innocent of this. And are also trolls, true, but even so… It would be nice if some people would learn from this that online trolling is one thing, but eventually it’s even better to wake up and live in the real world. I want that for them.
I think that the additional time will be enough to let them contact the original owner. But dunno, there might be some drama involved, IIRC not even the original devs want much to do with HB.
And even if they move twice, the userbase seems close-knit enough to follow without too many losses.
Is it weird that I feel bad for them?
I don’t think it is. The main problem there seems to be users going rogue outside their home instance; I remember HB had some rule like “respect rules of the other instances you interact with”, but it was toilet paper. However plenty of the other users are completely OK.
Another issue is that there is some red scare against them. And even if they use it to shield themselves from actual criticism in a really dumb way, the red scare is still there.
They did contact the original owner - who promised (reputedly) to take care of it. Then disappeared (yet again, after repeatedly having done so in the past so many times before). It’s even possible that they did this out of some kind of spite? But perhaps not, maybe it’s merely irresponsibility, and even that due to ADHD or some such, who knows (I did not read through every comment, just enough to know this much).
It is not merely users going rouge (edit: no you know what, fuck it, I’m leaving this spelling exactly as it is, bc it’s 2025 baby! and this apparently is how we roll now) there are posts (not merely moderator reports, which don’t federate particularly with their older software) where they are made aware, and the admins chose to ignore the situation each time rather than ban the person involved. They actively shielded them from consequences, rather than merely allowing them to do whatever. Thus necessitating others to take steps of their own to deal with matters.
Seeing how “responsible” they are, nobody believes the red scare issue - especially people who are ACTUALLY leftist as opposed to whatever fucked up thing tankies are to begin with, and then like that squared (three times over) and possibly reversed and shifted further into the imaginary dimension, to describe whatever the heck Hexbear has going on specifically. Regardless of political views. imho at least, ofc:-).
They did contact the original owner - who promised (reputedly) to take care of it.
That’s important info.
Perhaps the original owner is so disengaged already that they aren’t giving too much of a fuck about the fate of the instance. I can’t exactly blame them.
It is not merely users going rouge (edit: no you know what, fuck it, I’m leaving this spelling exactly as it is, bc it’s 2025 baby! and this apparently is how we roll now)
Stop making me remember a certain movie! Okay, the movie is great, so keep reminding me of it. (Moulin Rouge. Their version of Roxanne is way better than The Police’s original. Kind of like Concrete Blonde’s Everybody Knows vs. Cohen’s)
But I digress. Yes, the users were going rouge :-P under the implicit approval of the instance admins; that’s why I say that the rule there against misbehaving in other instances was “toilet paper”, it’s just there to get shit.
Seeing how “responsible” they are, nobody believes the red scare issue
Yup. It’s like the boy who cried wolf, isn’t it?
Anyway, I hope that the good ones still stick around. And even the bad ones should get a place… just away from my sight. (Perhaps in truth social, showing their “critical support” to Trump. Hehe.)
They openly idolize Stalin. That’s not from a couple rogue users
I’m not a fan of Hitler or anything
I just really really hate the guy who beat him
Stalin was a fine with Hitler. Helped Hitler invade Poland. Killing some of my family. Then massacring ethnic polish at home, killing more family. Stalin only turned against Hitler after Hitler crossed him. That the Soviet Union helped defeat Hitler was fine. But doesn’t excuse allying with him first. Or the Soviet genocides and oppression.
Deep down I want to know if you’re lying deliberately because you’re a nazi or if you’re just a particularly stupid person.
Hitler had a book. In it he said what he wanted to do. The leadership of the Soviet Union read this book. They did not think they were friends with Hitler.
Stalin was a fine with Hitler
The USSR spent a decade militarizing specifically because they saw the writing on the wall with the rise of fascism in Germany and Poland.
He also offered to station troops in Poland, but the Second Polish Republic was no less rabidly anti-communist than Nazi Germany and rejected them.
The capitalist powers made it clear they intended to let Hitler deal with the USSR. France and Britain even attempted to join Nazi Germany and Finland in the Winter War.
How does that disprove what I said. It doesn’t. How does that bring back any dead family? It can’t. I’m an anarchist fuck authoritarians whether they’re capitalist or pretend socialist.
The guy who spent his youth robbing banks to fund a revolution, succeeded, went on to beat the nazis, and helped lay the foundation for the greatest increase in standards of living in the modern age outside of China?
Even if you accept legitimate criticisms about the guy, such as interning/relocating populations in the wake of WWII, various loses the CPC took due to following his mandates, his failure to support Korea, etc, and understand him as a part of a greater machine accomplishing these things rather than the idealist “great man theory” nonsense that encourages hero worship in the first place, it’s hard not to idealize revolutionary heros like him and Fidel.
Holy shit
re-register
Why do you think their old accounts won’t work? It’s just a different domain name. They didn’t lose data.
Has chapo chat been federated with us this entire time? I’m just trying to understand what it actually is.
It was the original website people from /r/chapotraphouse migrated to when it was banned on reddit but then everyone decided they didn’t even really like the podcast and made a new thing
I get that but do we need to defederate from them or not? It seems like they don’t have federation enabled or something.
Don’t worry, hexbear/whatever is going to be called will almost certainly block sh.itjust.works along with other right-wing instances when it enables federation again
Cheers, we already blocked chapo.chat pre-emptively. Glad that we’re on the same page.
sh.itjust.works
yeah better defederate just to make sure
sigh
That’s a funny way of saying you have no clue what chapo.chat actually is. Hexbear is the epitome of the blind leading the blind.
I could never have imagined that certain leftists were equally as stupid and ignorantly abrasive as MAGA trumpers, but you clowns have proven it beyond all doubt. It’s so profoundly concerning and disappointing 😑
Why can’t you just act like a mature adult and answer a simple question? Why must you incessantly seek to spread divisiveness and misery?
No it’s a funny way of saying your instance sucks
Who is spreading divisiveness? You are explicitly asking if you need to take additional steps to divide yourself from elsewhere.
Not to distract attention from your frankly obsessive and weird hate rant
I’m asking if chapo.chat is part of Lemmy or not. Do they federate with other servers, or is it isolated? Just answer the damn question.
I explicitly federated sh.itjust.works with hexbear, at the request of your fearless leader u/CARCOSA, and I took a whole bunch of shit from all sides for that decision. Then you defederated us within 24 hours, because you couldn’t handle losing arguments with our users. I have always tried to be reasonable with you people but it counts for nothing, because you just attack and abuse everyone you come into contact with, and you actively refuse to confront reality.
I think it’s hilarious that there is a bidding war that has been driving the bid up.
Hope the new boss isn’t the same as the old boss.
Serious question: if this happened to a popular federated instance (say Lemmy.world) and it got bought by someone malicious, what’s the worst they could do to my Lemmy feed and the Lemmy community in general?
New update for those of you following this story
We have established contact with the previously-AWOL owner, and after much discussion, we have determined that while there was an error in the auto-payment initially, the renewal funds were transferred manually to Sav and the auction continues despite that. We are currently appealing to Sav support with our domain credentials. We are also looking into whether an ICANN-compliant grace period was implemented prior to the rescinding and auctioning of the domain.
who needs the CIA infiltration manual when tankies will do it to themselves?
Put my bid in. Man, you guys hate me now…just imagine when I own hexbear!!!
I don’t recognize your username. Why would anyone have an opinion on you?
Fair point! I have just spent all day arguing against people trying to get me banned from the fediverse. So I guess I left the blinders on.
In this very sub, there was a post yesterday: “TrumpsTruth, Conservatism, TheNewDonald, what’s happening on this instance? Is this a thing?”
And it’s around 60 comments of people telling me how much they hate me, and calling out admins to ban me! So my joke was mostly to them. And a few months before that a thread, “TrumpsTruth, Conservatism, TheNewDonald, what’s happening on this instance? Is this a thing?”
I spend so much time being yelled at that I forget that I’m actually not that well-known. It come because from comments of, “Everyone hates you!” and “Your name is everywhere.”
Good to know that it’s not everywhere. Maybe then they can shut up about how I have ruined the Fediverse and should be banned…
Thanks for calling me out. Edited.
Ah, that’s why we don’t know you. Most of us sort things in ways that show us good not bad
Yep!
Thanks, friend!
OMG!!!
I have more fitting memes :D
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Please post them on the reaction memes community when you can, I don’t have much time to do it myself (T~T)
Will post some of them in a moment.
Fuck yeah!
