• merthyr1831@lemmy.ml
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    24 days ago

    “But they’re just TV shows” “it’s not that deep” etc. I would implore you to listen to this excellent episode of Citations Needed..

    It covers how modern cop shows were invented directly to counter shows that portrayed defence lawyers as the protagonists, along with a general push to lionize the police state despite its inability to prevent crime or deliver real justice.

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      25 days ago

      Capital has the ability to subsume all critiques into itself. Even those who would critique capital end up reinforcing it instead.

      Disco Elysium

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          24 days ago

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recuperation_(politics)

          Some former means of countercultural expression that have been identified by critics as recuperated (at least in part) are: punk music and fashion like mohawk hairdos, ripped jeans, and bondage accessories like dog collars; tattoos; street art and participatory art.

          (You know, like Paul Ryan liking Rage Against the Machine.)

          Because Capitalism is built to sell anything, even ideas.

          Do you remember Reddit’s Random Acts of Pizza from around 2010-2012 or so?

          https://abcnews.go.com/US/random-acts-pizza-donate/story?id=13950694 (This story is from June 2011)

          It was a really sweet forum where people were buying hungry folks in need a pizza. Something simple and comforting for people struggling.

          Within a year of a handful of news articles about the subreddit, and Mars Candy had copyrighted the phrase “Random Acts of Chocolate” and pushed an ad campaign about “buying an extra for a friend” as a “random act of chocolate.”

          https://www.cspdailynews.com/snacks-candy/mars-distributing-random-acts-chocolate (This is from September 2011)

          https://www.thismomneedswine.com/2011/03/free-chocolate-bar.html (A blog post from March 2011 about free coupons for chocolate)

          Part of how they recuperate things is through mechanisms like copyright and trademarks, these laws are built protect businesses but bind individuals. Random Acts of Pizza is just a subreddit but Random Acts of Chocolate is copyrighted, trademarked, and owned by Mars, Inc. Meaning in some ways I am barred from using the phrase “Random Acts of Chocolate” since they own it.


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          I almost forgot my favorite example: Naomi Klein’s book “This Changes Everything.” The thesis is that if we don’t dump capitalistic modes of production we’ll all fall to climate change. However, she still relied on traditional capitalist publishers to get her book published and sold. She didn’t put her money where her mouth was and release it online for free for everyone, to show she was willing to dump capitalism to spread her message, since it was that important. Nope, still gotta use capitalism to critique capitalism, I guess. She also will speak at your university for a cool $100k. I think she believes in her thesis less than she says she does.

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            23 days ago

            still gotta use capitalism to critique capitalism

            I think there’s an argument to be made that this is the best way to get the message out. A book with a publisher and a famous author gets a lot more attention than a PDF on the internet by someone less notable. And the notoriety of authors – for worse – is tied to your book deal, the media hits your publisher helps attract, and being an in-demand speaker. The theses of any prominent book is readily available in interviews, articles, etc. anyway.

            It’d be better if she donated much of her earnings to a worthwhile cause, but for all I know she does.

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      25 days ago

      He threw a tantrum because he didn’t want public oversight over his and his friend’s superpowers.

      It was basically a “You’re a loose canon, McBain” cop storyline.

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        25 days ago

        You mean the solider who saw what happens when a list of everyone who is considered “other” is ordered and maintained by a government? All because, Tony “I am a gift to God” Stark and Bruce “Couldn’t Say No” Banner created a nigh unstoppable police force with no oversight?

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          25 days ago

          IMO, you’re not wrong, but Magneto is the better portrayal.

          Magneto was right all along about the persecution of mutants. Tony Stark and Captain America disagreed on a “who watches the Watchmen” level in the movies.

          Stark thought that heroes had too much power to act without the approval of some higher authority, and the Captain believed that they should be able to act when and where they could without needing permission in order to do the most good. Magneto looked at the number he had tattooed on his wrist as a child in the camps and said, “Never again.”

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      24 days ago

      Crazy how much of this stuff is subsidized by or directly financed by the national security state. The most infamous, in my memory anyway, was the Transformers Franchise which got enormous access to US military staff and equipment during the shooting. The end result was a movie that felt more like one of those hookey 80s “Join the Marines” ads than a piece of action cinema.

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    25 days ago

    I like the myth of the police, not actual cops, I like Simon Pegg in Hot Fuzz, actual cops can suck a nard

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      25 days ago

      Really depends. Cops shows are really off putting to me. Marvel is kinda OK; not a fan, but it’s so over the top that I can abstract from the propaganda.