A decision to negotiate over the heads of the Ukrainians would reveal just how Trump sees Ukraine and Europe.
    • Lumbardo@reddthat.comEnglish
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      4 days ago

      Why are you just throwing links? You should at least make an attempt to quote your sources so you don’t leave people here reading erroneous information. @Kusimulkku at least gave you the courtesy of doing that.

      • surph_ninja@lemmy.world
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        3 days ago

        If I summarize the info, I’m accused of making it up. If I provide sources, I get complaints about no one wanting to read links.

        Bots will move the goalposts no matter what they get.

    • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
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      4 days ago

      Article is better, but even better would be if you quoted a part that’s actually relevant to whatever point you’re trying to make. And perhaps even stated what point you’re trying to make.

      If this is still about Ukrainians being “western handlers ordered them to keep fighting”, your linked article doesn’t give you much help:

      U.K. Prime Minister Boris Johnson, following in the tradition of British anti-Russian war-mongering dating back to the Crimean War (1853-6), actually flew to Kiev to warn Zelensky against neutrality and the importance of Ukraine defeating Russia on the battlefield.

      So much so for Western handlers ordering them to keep fighting. Wah-wah.

      • surph_ninja@lemmy.world
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        4 days ago

        Take your pick. You very broadly denied western involvement, and this delves into the details.

        That quote actually makes my point. Not yours.

        • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
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          4 days ago

          You very broadly denied western involvement, and this delves into the details.

          Do share where I “broadly denied western involvement”.

          That quote actually makes my point. Not yours.

          For reference, your point:

          Ukraine wasn’t invited to the decision to fight a proxy war either, or have its government overthrown in the Maidan Coup. And when they attempted peace talks before, their western handlers ordered them to keep fighting.

          It does not at all prove your point. It’s just again based on the interview where the person doesn’t actually say any of that and he actually said there were many reasons for the talks having failed, namely lacking security guarantees. Wah-wah.