I just want to point out that you wrote your comment after I’ve already edited mine, where I’ve clarified that I misread the text in the post.

I’ve simply misread. Please don’t add too many constructs about AI on top. It was easy to misread IMO too, others have done as well.

Thank you for the clarification! That makes more sense honestly. Indeed I have read it differently at first.

This seemingly was a mistake with Linux’s second-in-command Greg Kroah-Hartman responding to each report asking about their submission to the public mailing list.

I hope that was not AI automation, with him being a lover and a loud public advocate of it.

EDIT: we’ve misread the text. It wasn’t a mistake by Greg, but merely that he was the one to reply. Nobody directed Trend Micro to the public mailing list, they did it by themselves (as far as we know).

To be honest, from the point that you start using google, reliability goes down so much that the usage of AI on top becomes less of a bottleneck. E.g. the bugs would more frequently bite you that originate from google’s actions than AI code. Like the struggle of yt-dlp and NewPipe with YouTube.

Plus, I feel a bit bad expecting people to dig through proprietary google interfaces.

That being said, I’d still skip the project because I’d rather stick with FOSS. Maybe if I’d drive a car instead of a bike, I’d feel different, but as it is now, I can easily stay with CoMaps.

It’s indeed a tangent. The discussion above was about the existence of propaganda on lemmy. And I wasn’t saying that there are bots here because of opinion X - I was describing the details of how it flows, and what makes me think there is political propaganda here. But as a side topic, I’m happy to answer.

There are nationalistic people everywhere, including in Ukraine of course. That does not give Russia any right to attack Ukraine and kill hundreds of thousands of people of course, but I’m trying to faithfully answer the question. I don’t see what’s the point in discussing the living conditions of groups op people. Why does it matter? Surely if people abroad are not living good enough, you either invite some of them to where you live or help them somehow, but don’t bomb them? Do you have different opinions on these questions or with regards to my response?

Isn’t Signal’s protocol already implemented in Rust? I thought it is, and they use FFI on Android and iOS.

• I think AI disclosure has to be a hard rule. Not done properly? Remove.
• I think there has to be a threshold of when to allow, otherwise we’ll get (and are already) overwhelmed. For example, be X months old is an easy check that would filter out low-effort posting.

Besides these basic rules that I think are absolutely mandatory, I’m not sure how far to go. I’d want to say that the project needs to explain Free Software affinity or explain why it’s posted on lemmy or something like that… But it’s so easy to fake it with, the irony of it, AI texts.

In conclusion,

• Decision-wise, I wouldn’t mind if the resolution is the full removal on AI-driven projects.
• Decision-wise, I would absolutely request a hard-ban if the lemmy text is AI-written.
• Decision-wise, I could accept if the rule is to accept some small sliver of AI posts that would come our way otherwise. Maybe some projects where AI assists in writing code, but does not replace the programmer. Maybe that is OK, if the project otherwise is “relevant to the open source ideology” (Rule 1 of this community).

EDIT: Also, something to think about is… community, not just code. For community health, it might be better to remove AI-driven projects entirely. Because we aren’t just about code. We’re also about continuing to exist long-term.

EDIT 2: I think codeberg actually did it better than my improvised thinking. I’d go with codeberg’s rules: https://blog.codeberg.org/protecting-our-floss-commons-from-llms.html

👍 Makes sense. Also, thanks for the additional info. (“the Python devs are saying to update pip and uv”)

Oh, your comment made me understand the source of the confusion, I think. I was speaking about the distro itself, hinted by the author above me using the word “distros” as well. But if we’re speaking about pip/npm/etc, then reverting those does make sense, even if a bit paranoid (but being paranoid is no problem). I’ve edited my message to help resolve this misunderstanding.

Just in case, the area of expertise for me and lemmy happened to be the war that Russia started against Ukraine.

If a person just says once or twice something from the usual pro-Putin propaganda texts, then so be it. Can be discussed etc, but it’s not propaganda itself. But if you see that a person literally has a job, from the amount of time spent, posting memes or quoting other people about it, and they’re constantly making logical fallacies, not seeing them, misquoting others etc etc, then well you have a propaganda worker. With years, it frequently becomes evident or proven that all this time they were paid money to say that.

In case of Russia the job of proving lies frequently becomes a bit absurd though, because the bad and good sides on the conflict are quite evident. But of course only if you know enough details, so if unsure, the path above is a good way to find out.

I don’t have a proof in a mathematical sense. Nobody here would have. I have, however, a combination of observations here (posts, comments), and first-hand experience with the details of a working propaganda machine from back when I lived in Russia. They are details that unique, in my experience, to propaganda.

• Active pushing, usually by small select number of people. This can happen without propaganda, too.
• Obvious conflict with another group of people that claim the opposite. This obviously happens to at least 2 parties during a conflict of opinions.
• Usage of easy-to-understand, but not detailed underneath, explanations. Especially common is “everyone is against us, so we’re fighting back”. That can happen without propaganda and by itself as well, although here we’re already in the dangerous zone because especially the “everyone is against us” is 95% likely propaganda, even though not 100%.

And the final give-away is… details. You can’t be an expert in every topic, so from e.g. posts of a suspected propaganda worker, you take a claim that you feel unsure about, or that contradicts with someone you currently trust, or that contradicts just another group of people who’s views is in any way coherent.

And then you dig into that topic. It works best if the topic was native to you to begin with, due to work or hobby or whatever. You drill down on this topic, you find answers and evidence, you fact-check claims. It’s not simple, because “simple” you could rotate around. It’s tedious. But it works.

The best analogy would be the famous text about Ilon Musk I think.

He talked about electric cars. I don’t know anything about cars, so when people said he was a genius I figured he must be a genius. Then he talked about rockets. I don’t know anything about rockets, so when people said he was a genius I figured he must be a genius.

Now he talks about software. I happen to know a lot about software & Elon Musk is saying the stupidest shit I’ve ever heard anyone say, so when people say he’s a genius I figure I should stay the hell away from his cars and rockets.

What good would rolling back updates do? Also, most if not all distros use package signing. It’s by far safer to update forward, not backwards.

The advise to “rollback” seems actively harmful, to be honest.

UPDATE: I think I understood the source of the confusion. If we’re speaking about rolling back the distro itself, then that would be actively harmful. On the contrary, *do* upgrade ASAP and don’t roll back. However, if we’re speaking about stuff that is derived from the system, such as pip/npm/etc registries, then latest artifacts from those could be compromised, so you could roll back those to instead get fresh-er upgrades from an upgraded distro where the signatures are already removed. I think that explains our contradictory-at-first-glance views. If the above is true, we’re actually in agreement on what to do.

I appreciate the joke, though there are bots here as well. The upside is that the only topics they swarm in are political, e.g. about the US, and unfortunately there are two active posters pushing pro-Putin propaganda.

Other than that, it’s clear though. And it’s quite chill and pleasant without bots but with careful readers.

Could you please explain a bit, do you mean that otherwise your bluetooth device would not auto-connect to both devices?

I mean, you probably can’t use them simultaneously anyway?

No, I mean the drivers for the graphics card. Xorg is a layer higher than that…

At this stage, and for the pioneers in changes like that, just the publicity around it is already a huge deal. I’d say it’s worth it even as it is, already. If the trend will go stronger into more and more adoption of these free software solutions, then we accordingly should push and expect more compensation to the underlying technologies and communities.

Would be proper to attach some links for such a claim, I think. (I’m not saying you’re wrong, I’m just saying a link would be proper.)

Indeed. I don’t know gentoo, but from the logs it seems that the failure somes from not being able to load the drivers. Install them first?

No. The article is about the source tree of the kernel itself, not the binaries and other stuff you have on your system.

OP just improvised a misleading and wrong “header” when they wrote “We soon will have a /slop dir in distros”. The text below is nothing about actually having it in distros.

However, it is about adding stuff to the kernel sources, and that is attention-worthy.