Re: Rust kernel policy - Linus Torvalds
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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/25857381

Hellwig is the maintainer of the DMA subsystem. Hellwig previously blocked rust bindings for DMA code, which in part resulted in Hector Martin from stepping down as a kernel maintainer and eventually Asahi Linux as a whole.

  • patatahooligan@lemmy.world
    36·
    1 day ago

    How many months should he have waited for an authoritative response?

    Well, Marcan should wait as long as feels right to him. As I said previously, I’m pretty sure he was already pissed off about previous R4L issues and he didn’t quit because of this alone. I want to be clear that I’m commenting solely on the expectation of a swifter response from leadership in the original email thread and not on Marcan’s decision to step down, which I can’t be the judge of.

    So, I expect people in places of power to take their time when they respond publicly to issues like this, for various reasons. Eg:

    • they might try to resolve things in private first (seems to be the case)
    • they might want to discuss with their peers to double check their decision making and to take collective action, this is especially true if the CoC committee gets involved
    • they might want to chime in when people have calmed down and they expect to be able to have meaningful conversations with them

    At the very least, I would have waited to see what happens with the patches if I were in his position. The review process, which kept going in the meantime, essentially sets a timer for a decision to be made. In the end, Hellwig’s objections would either be acknowledged as blocking or they would be ignored. In any case there would have been a clear stance from the project’s leadership. It makes sense to me to wait for this inevitable outcome before making a committal decision such as stepping down.

    • Norah (pup/it/she)@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      2·
      12 hours ago

      Here’s the thing though, is Marcan got called out (rightfully) for his shit by Linus, but Linus could have called out Hellwig in the same email. The lack of that, to my reading, felt like implicit support of Hellwig’s position to me, and I can see why Marcan would have felt the same way.

      In saying that, it would also be fair for Linus to not “give in to the pressure” of Marcan’s actions on social media and basically given him what he wanted.

    • Ulrich@feddit.orgEnglish
      33·
      1 day ago

      I want to be clear that I’m commenting solely on the expectation of a swifter response from leadership in the original email thread and not on Marcan’s decision to step down, which I can’t be the judge of.

      One was a direct result of the other. You can’t separate them.

      they might try to resolve things in private first (seems to be the case)

      Neither of them have the authority to resolve it in private and it was clear by the third message that there would be no resolution between them.

      they might want to chime in when people have calmed down

      They didn’t calm down, it was plain to see that things were only becoming more and more heated until the conversation reached a breaking point.

      Marcan asked Linus to come in and make an authoritative statement and end the bickering and he did not. Hector interpreted that as Linus being apathetic (which is a rational position given the time that had passed). I’m not going to try and judge Linus, I don’t know what was going on in his life at the time, but it was, as Hector stated, a failure of leadership regardless.