Summary

Trump just presided over one of the greatest diplomatic disasters in modern history, with flared tempers, raised voices, and shredded protocol.

Never before has a U.S. president bullied and berated an adversary, never mind an ally, in such a public way.

During a tense Oval Office meeting, Trump and JD Vance attacked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, demanding he accept a peace deal with Russia or lose U.S. support.

The conversation devolved into shouting, with Trump accusing Zelenskyy of being ungrateful and “gambling with World War III.”

The meeting ended in chaos, with no agreement reached.

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    21 days ago

    Real Art of The Deal shit.

    Absolute fucking masterclass in statesman-like diplomacy.

    Genuinely a moment for all Americans to be proud of. Truly, exceptional.

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      21 days ago

      Coming from YouTube, all the comments were saying Trump put Zelenksy in his place… are people actually that stupid, or is the whole internet edgy rightwing bots?

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    21 days ago

    Why would any nation that does not have nukes not start making nukes right now?

    The USA has shown over and over, it’s the only thing we take seriously. We don’t give a fuck until you have nukes. We don’t care about treaties, alliances, deals. We only care if you can start the nuke wars. Anything else is just “how can we take advantage of you?”

    Also … World, I understand you’re not reading this, but for the three of ya that do, boycott us. Tariff the shit out of us. You got this, and thanks for all the fish.

  • LustyArgonian@lemmy.world
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    21 days ago

    Wrote up a summary months ago (with reputable sources!) about this stuff, and was permabanned from Lemmy news and politics for it.

    Idk man, you can tell people stuff, but it’s so hard for them to access what’s real right now. There’s a concerted online effort to suppress factual info.

    https://lemmy.world/comment/13431373

  • Wrench@lemmy.world
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    21 days ago

    Congrats Never Genocide people posing as Progressives. We fucking warned you that exactly this was going to happen. Trump and his cult would side with Russia and throw Ukraine under the bus.

    Great fucking job.

    And great fucking job, Mods, for protecting those fucks in the name of civility.

    We are the baddies now. And we got here because you’d rather protect Nazis from being punched in the mouth for their words and actions in the name of civility.

    • Tezzerets_Tea_Time@lemmy.world
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      21 days ago

      Thank fucking God we didn’t vote for Harris because she wouldn’t outright condemn Israel. Totally worth everything happening now (that any remotely educated and reasonable person warned about).

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        20 days ago

        Wait, are you upset your favourite orange sack of shit is the laughing stock of the world, while Zelenskyy is unanimously praised?

        Aw.

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      21 days ago

      Zelenskyy is a goddamn hero

      He’s far from being a hero. Zelenskyy just happens to be the president of a country being invaded, if trump was in his place you would be here calling him a hero. Zelenskyy is the president of an authoritarian government who turned to martial law and is drafting people by force while not allowing any male between 18-60 to leave the country.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobilization_in_Ukraine#2024

      “In 2023, harsher methods of mobilization began to be used, such as road blocks, business raids, and pulling people from the streets. In the latter half of 2023, videos surfaced online showing Ukrainian men violently dragged into vans and driven to the military recruiting centers”

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANxo0gBM6GM

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXhC8WREVKM

      • finder@lemmy.world
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        21 days ago

        Zelenskyy is the president of an authoritarian government who turned to martial law

        Active invasion of their country from Belarus and Russia. What a brain dead take.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobilization_in_Russia

        Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics

        The mobilization was accompanied by mass raids on men of military age. In the enterprises of the region, up to 80% of employees were called up, which led to shutdown of mines and public transport, as well as the paralysis of cities and public services. To avoid mobilization, residents hid or tried to illegally leave the republics.[21]

        Recruitment of prisoners

        Implementation

        It was reported that Russian authorities were targeting poor, homeless and people from poorer regions of Russia for conscription.[79][80] Russian authorities drafted detained protestors with no previous military experience, including a 17-year-old boy who was arrested at an anti-war demonstration in Moscow.[81]

        On 14 April 2023, Putin signed into law a bill that would allow authorities to issue electronic summons to draftees.[92][93] The law blocks anyone eligible for military service who has received a digital summons from leaving the country.[94] Russian lawyer Valeria Vetoshkina called it a “hidden mobilization.” According to Russian economist Konstantin Sonin, “Now, any person, regardless of whether he took a summons or not, [or] has an account with Gosuslugi or not, can be arrested and convicted for not going to war.”[95] Russian lawyer and human rights activist Ivan Pavlov said that the “only option is to leave the country as soon as possible, but there is very little time for that.”[96]

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          21 days ago

          Thanks for reporting on the draft in russia too. Forced conscription is form of slavery and a violation of human rights, it should be abolished and every person should fight against it and against the governments forcing it on people.

          When two countries drafting people by force and not allowing them to leave the country get into a war you get a total disaster where poor people are forced to murder each others. The rulers and government behind these authoritarian polices are criminal and enemies of humanity.

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            21 days ago

            When two countries drafting people by force and not allowing them to leave the country get into a war you get a total disaster where poor people are forced to murder each others

            In this situation, one country got into a war. The other is defending its sovereign territory.

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              21 days ago

              So if russia were to be attacked by china would it be ok for them to draft people by force to defend their sovereign territory? If you were someone living in russia would you be ok with putin goons arresting you if you try to leave the country?

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      21 days ago

      People should have the right to vote outside the two party system without a spoiler effect. Its a inalienable right actually.

      There are more representative electoral systems that can accomplish this. Are you working to pass electoral reform in your state so those that are unrepresented by First-past-the-post voting can participate in democracy?

      “Why are women so obsessed with suffrage” - you, if you lived during the early 20th century

      Videos on Electoral Reform

      First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)

      Videos on alternative electoral systems we can try out.

      STAR voting

      Alternative vote

      Ranked Choice voting

      Range Voting

      Single Transferable Vote

      Mixed Member Proportional representation

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        21 days ago

        I dunno how you can draw a false equivalence between women fighting for their right to vote, and refusing to vote against an avowed fascist (who then won office), and keep a straight face.

      • VeryFrugal@sh.itjust.works
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        19 days ago

        Yes, you are very smart. Congratulations on having the most convoluted, psychopathic president in the world. You’ve clearly taught that genocide Joe a lesson.

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    21 days ago

    I know the main thing here is Vance and Trump backstabbing and bullying Zelenskyy, but I just want to point out that Trump repeatedly talked about “raw earth” instead of “rare earths”. We’re truly fucked.

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      21 days ago

      Trump is America’s Boris Johnson turned up 100. The act of stupidity is intentionally, to provide a thin veneer of plausible deniability in case the rule of law comes back swinging it’s prejudice cock to only smack either Vance in the face as he Pardons Trump and Musk.

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        21 days ago

        If Trump’s stupidity is an act then boy is he committed to the bit - because he’s been dumb as a bag of rocks since grade school, through high school, college, and in every encounter with people close to him. Doesn’t even turn it off for the wives or friends behind closed doors. Truly the greatest method actor of our times.

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    21 days ago

    Well, we’re going to have to make friends with Iran to make our membership in the Axis of Evil official.