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Wow, are conservatives murdering and assassinating transexuals for being transexuals now? Where are the news about these events?
I do not believe conservatives are mad at or hate transexuals
I do believe, however, Conservatives don’t really care what you do on your own. Most disagree with transexuals in general, but most also aren’t interested in bossing you around.
I believe your post presumes wrongly that conservatives are spending their days obsessively looking for ways to control or cause either direct or indirect harm to you. They’re not.
The only things they are not really okay with and won’t allow you to do is pushing your views on them.
I understand they will be okay if you don’t ask them to change the facts on your birth certificate (yes, conservatives see what is in there as facts, you can disagree, but that’s how they see it)
I believe conservatives will be mostly okay if you don’t try to pass laws that punish them for not getting on board with your chosen views.
Same as well with using the state apparatus, taxpayer money, or use public schools to push your views.
They would probably be okay with consenting adults being free to dress in whatever way they want and do whatever they want to their own bodies.
However they would be also expecting to not be compelled in any way whatsoever to play along.
Again, that would mean no laws would be made to compel people to use pronouns or any other language they believe to be untrue.
Most surely, they would like that, In the same vein as dressing up differently doesn’t give you access to opposite sex bathrooms, getting surgical procedures done on yourself wouldn’t also give you access to the bathrooms of the opposite sex.
Very probably, In an ideal conservative world, transition surgery would be categorized as an elective cosmetic surgery, and advertised as such.
But yeah I’d like to see some sources on the murderstabs
I refuse to argue with you. Go play in traffic, you inbred cousinfucker.
It’s silly to me to see either side point a finger and say “they do this or that” . The minute you categorized a single person as a group you already lost the argument. This applies to both sides. Don’t be a fool and decide that if your friend votes differently than you that it’s an attack on you personally. There are only 2 main voted for parties with many different stances on many different things all lumped into a party. Just bc you’re in part A doesn’t mean you agree with all of it.
Yeah idk why you’re getting downvoted. A major part of the problem in my opinion is bucketing people and making huge generalizations based off the culture wars that the bourgeoisie has created to get us bickering amongst ourselves.
False equivalency. Categorizing all MAGA like the portrayal in this political cartoon is not the same as categorizing a whole type of people as some stereotype.
Stereotypes are not factual. Some may have a basis in reality, many have no basis in reality. In almost all cases stereotypes are degrading, and statistically impossible to apply to all members of a certain group, despite people using verbiage in the stereotypes indicating it is inherent to all members (e.g. “All Asians are bad drivers”)
MAGA as portrayed here is categorically factual. By definition MAGA supports Trump and his policies. His policies are harmful to trans people. Therefore, all MAGA are harmful to trans people strictly because of the policies they support.
Bringing it back to the “all Asians are bad drivers” example, if we modified it to say “all bad drivers are bad drivers”, then that would be more of an equivalent to the categorization of MAGA depicted. Because the categorization is the definition of the group, rather than taking a group and assigning it an attribute totally unrelated to its definition (e.g. race, gender, even political party as not all republicans are on board with maga)
I see what you’re getting at, but there are a few issues with your argument. The biggest problem is that it overgeneralizes MAGA supporters in a way that actually undermines the point it’s trying to make. Yeah, MAGA as a movement backs Trump and his policies, and many of those policies have been harmful to trans people. But saying every single MAGA supporter is inherently harmful to trans people just by association is a bit of a leap. Not all MAGA supporters are equally informed, engaged, or even fully on board with every single thing Trump does. Some people support him for economic reasons, immigration policy, or just because they feel alienated by mainstream politics (most of what I’ve seen from those I’ve met who “support MAGA”)…not necessarily because they have an issue with trans people. Acting like its a monolith where everyone in it is equally responsible for every policy oversimplifies things.
Also, the categorically factual claim doesn’t really hold up. There’s a difference between supporting Trumps policies and actively harming trans people. Yes, Trumps policies have been harmful, but does every MAGA supporter personally advocate for those policies? Do they all even know the specifics of them? Probably not. You could argue that passively supporting a movement that enacts harmful policies still contributes to harm, but that’s not the same as saying every individual supporter is personally out to get trans people.
At the end of the day, I get the frustration with MAGA as a movement. It pushes policies that hurt marginalized groups, and it’s going to wreck havoc on our standard of living. But treating every individual MAGA supporter as personally responsible for all of those policies flattens the complexity of why people support Trump in the first place. It’s totally fair to call out the movement, but it’s a stretch to claim that every person in it is harmful in the exact same way.
If we want to quash this movement , we need to really think about why people support it and identify root cause so we can quell it from the root instead of just attacking the surface. And a major component is going to be speaking with people’s elephants instead of their riders. We have to be the bigger people here and try to empathize even when it seems impossible. Attacking them just isn’t going to work. That’s just human nature for ya.
Anyway, thanks for commenting and taking the time to explain yourself. I hope this at least explains my position a bit better.
That’s precisely my argument. Voting motivations are not always rooted in animosity. Regardless of downvotes, I maintain my position. I have close friends with opposing political views who remain deeply loyal to one another. My intention was not to endorse any particular viewpoint, but rather to advocate against generalizations. I find it perplexing that this perspective has drawn negative feedback from both sides of the political spectrum.
I tried to support this artist on Patreon. Heard there were NSFW comics there. Well, yes, but mostly a creepy OnlyFans-esque collection of nearly nude sexy photos of the artist, with frequent calls for payment for explicit nudes.
(Edit from below, as I figure out what I’m trying to say) It’s a sort of emotional bait and switch. “Come support me, there’s nsfw comics.” “Ooh I love those, my wife loves those, I’m in.” “Whoops, actually there’s also these risqué photos. Maybe your wife will be ok with it, maybe not. You can choose to have the conversation if you want. But now I’ve handed you a problem, unless you want to just immediately unsubscribe. In which case I still keep the money but you get nothing. Thanks for your support!” (End of edit)
Only artist Patreon I’ve ever unsubscribed from for content reasons. (I’m married, intended to support an artist, not to gawk at an OnlyFans.) From what I can tell from kemono (Patreon content mirror - visit with Adblock on), she’s still doing it.
I’m genuinely not sure if I’m being too sensitive or if this is genuinely behavior that shouldn’t be supported. Comics like this one are really good. I’m torn.
I’m genuinely not sure if I’m being too sensitive or if this is genuinely behavior that shouldn’t be supported.
There’s nothing inherently wrong with that content existing, and being something people can pay for, but you’re also not being too sensitive for not personally wanting to pay that artist, if your surrounding circumstances would make the access to explicit content then seem a little unsavory in your particular case.
Ideally, that artist would let you pay for just the non-NSFW content, or simply send a tip/donation directly, instead of requiring the NSFW content to be bundled with any attempt at payment, but that doesn’t mean that offering NSFW content itself “shouldn’t be supported,” even if it’s not desirable in your case.
Ideally, that artist would let you pay for just the non-NSFW content
They do. I don’t know if this person just decided to grab the highest tier without reading or something, but the lowest tiers don’t have anything explicit associated with them.
It’s pretty hard to miss too. I just went there from the link in their comic:
“Character Cosplays” is the second item in the lowest tier, and includes like hand-bra photos and images that are clearly the first couple images leading into a strip tease.
It’s a sort of emotional bait and switch. “Come support me, there’s nsfw comics.” “Ooh I love those, my wife loves those, I’m in.” “Whoops, actually there’s also these risqué photos. Maybe your wife will be ok with it, maybe not. You can choose to have the conversation if you want. But now I’ve handed you a problem, unless you want to just immediately unsubscribe. In which case I still keep the money but you get nothing. Thanks for your support!”
Oh damn well I stand corrected
Had kind of a similar conversation with my dad recently. “I’m sorry you feel that way.” “Well they’re cutting Medicaid, so we’ll see how that goes for you.”
‘I’m sorry you feel that way.’ He’s sorry you think people should have equal rights?
Your dad doesn’t have a political problem, he has a morality problem.
Even the non-apology “apology” is unacceptable!
More often than not, MAGA tend to stab themselves in the back. They just don’t have the self-awareness for it.
I’ll take my downvotes, but while I agree with the sentiment in this particular comic I have no fucking interest in seeing shitty pizzacake and her no-punchline comics or her army of sycophants here on Lemmy.
I will never understand why some of you insist on bringing the garbage we left Reddit to escape over here to Lemmy. Let pizzacake have her tiny window of microcelebrity on reddit and please spare the rest of us this bullshit.
“Why can’t everyone else just hate the same things I hate!?”
Imagine being this worked up about a webcomic, shitty or otherwise.
Also “this worked up”, lol.
Just curious, exactly how worked up do you think a person must be to undertake the Herculean effort of making a drive-by Lemmy comment?
Yes clearly this is consuming the whole of my being.
I mean, you replied twice to my comment, to let me know you weren’t worked up, so…
Also stating
passivity in the face of decline has always been the preferable option. Protecting our sacred decorum is so much more important than maintaining a critical eye and standards
makes me think you’re taking it pretty damn seriously lol
Yeah boredom on a slow day at work can’t exist.
And my level of investment automatically invalidates any point I make right? Because that’s how discussions work, discredit and invalidate the arguer rather than the argument.
Cool interaction.
And my level of investment automatically invalidates any point I make right?
You’re acting like their response was ever intended to be a thorough breakdown of your argument and why it’s wrong lol.
All they said was an exaggerated paraphrase of your comment for comedic effect and then wondered how you could get so worked up over this.
Yeah boredom on a slow day at work can’t exist.
I totally understand this. Putting way more effort into a comment than I need to because of a slow day at work is exactly what I’m doing rn lol.
But that’s not what’s indicative of you getting worked up. It’s the defensiveness and comments that read as bitterly aggressive.
I’ll take my downvotes, but while I agree with the sentiment in this particular comic I have no fucking interest in seeing shitty pizzacake and her no-punchline comics or her army of sycophants here on Lemmy.
I will never understand why some of you insist on bringing the garbage we left Reddit to escape over here to Lemmy. Let pizzacake have her tiny window of microcelebrity on reddit and please spare the rest of us this bullshit.
I’ll raise you one better and do a revision of your original comment.
I’ll take my downvotes… wait no, I probably shouldn’t start a comment off like this because it only shows I’m bitter that people don’t agree with me, let me start again.
While I disagree with the sentiment of @Vespair@lemm.ee’s original comment, I do think that there’s one thing we should be not be bringing over from Reddit. Gatekeeping.
I will never understand why some of you insist on bringing the garbage we left Reddit to escape over here to Lemmy. Let holier-than-thou gatekeeping stay on Reddit. Most if not all of us moved to this platform for its freedom from ads, algorithm manipulations and for more meaningful curation of our online interactions.
We should want this for all people, and that includes the people who post stuff we don’t like. Those people aren’t ruining Lemmy, they’re keeping it diverse, and exercising their right to use a platform that isn’t controlled by a company who is selling their data and manipulating their world view in the interest of those who care about nothing more than consolidating more wealth and power, at the expense of their users. In some cases at the expense of geopolitical stability and people’s actual lives.
Your sentiment isn’t different just because you couch it in decorum. I’ve played that game long enough, I’m over it. You are very good at it though, kudos.
Gave a down arrow for the artist not the message
What’s wrong with the artist?
Some people don’t like her because she makes a lot of comics that are like, “Haha, I have portrayed myself as the chad and you as the wojak, therefore I am superior!” Without having any actual comedic value. Example 1, Example 2 (both are reddit links, you have been warned).
She also threatened r/bonehurtingjuice with legal action to make them ban remixes of her comics, something not even Stonetoss (the Nazi comic everyone hates) has done.
Don’t forget about the comic she made downplaying the seriousness of male r*pe on mens mental health awareness day, and the arguments she participated in under her own post with male victims of SA.
Link?
Here’s a r/SubredditDrama post that covers what was said before mods nuked the comments section
And another with more proof of mods nuking comments
Tolerance paradoxically demands intolerance of the intolerant.
I seriously had a Right-Wing friend of mine try to tell me that
“The Trans needed some pushback because they were simply demanding too much” Card
Which hurt, especially with a “You need to learn to compromise, we’re not asking much. It’s not going to tear your arm off to put biologically accurate data onto government documents.” Stat Boosting Spell Card he threw down when I pointed out that Trump was ordering people to put M’s on Transwomen’s documentation
I’d never been more insulted in my life. Bro had no clue he was legitimately saying the modern version of “Look the Government just needs to know your background, wearing that Star of David in public isn’t going to get you killed.”
Thankfully he was willing to listen when I pointed that goof out to him… He’s still a Right Winger who’s now willing to walk back his statements in favor of “Agree to disagree”
I love my friend and I’d stand up if his rights were being violated, I’m just horrified to realize he absolutely will not show me the same decency.
I don’t know the context here because I am not American. That being said I can see it being useful that there is a record somewhere that someone has transitioned and what medical steps this involved for no other reason than their safety. Things like HRT, or any kind of surgery can have serious complications. Even gender dysphoria itself can lead to suicide. There should be some mechanism in place for Doctors to get this information quickly, and by nature that would probably involve the government. It should obviously be protected information like any other piece of medical data not available to all government workers unless it directly concerns their responsibilities.
There should be some mechanism in place for Doctors to get this information quickly, and by nature that would probably involve the government
This is an insane proposal. If doctors could see such info, so too could the literal Nazis running the government. What you’re proposing as a centralized repository for medical info would instantly become a literal “round up these people and put them in camps” list.
Well everybody’s correctly freaking out the last month.
But It should have already existed for medical use. Back in 2010, it’s not insane.
under pre trump 2.0, everyone has been suffering from a lack of this. It’s almost killed me twice , and has definitely hurt me. Due to inability to synch medications mostly.
European countries have this, you don’t have to start treatments over or get mistreated due to lack of a central database because your doctor retired, or you moved, etc. or you are out of your area and they don’t know what meds you’re on and you end up in the hospital.
That’s paranoid for paranoid’s sake under normal conditions.
But It should have already existed for medical use. Back in 2010, it’s not insane.
If, hypothetically, a single centralized medical records system was established in 2010, the current administration would be able to get into it for their own nefarious purposes of tracking which people are getting gender affirming care, abortions, or anything else they feel like a pretense to go after the “undesirables”
Perhaps in this hypothetical it would have seemed overly paranoid in 2010, but current events clearly demonstrate that such paranoia is well-founded.
It’s still necessary and proper for the purpose of which it needs to exist for. It’s too valuable a life saving tool to call “insane” to implement at sone point, and the sooner the better after we settle this horse shit. Every other civilized country has one.
The USA is not civilized enough for a federally operated and mandatory centralized medical records system. Not even close.
The Left and the Right feels like Feet Guys vs Cannibals chewing on a bunch of toes.
“What is the charge? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meal?”
This is democracy manifest!
My trumpet sister has wisely stopped praising her false god in my presence when they visit at least
Charisma increases by +10
Is the “just because we disagree on politics we can still get along” frame of mind generally a conservative thing? Because on one hand, it makes sense. On the other hand, I find it very difficult, for example, to look past the fact that some conservatives want to stop aid to Ukraine (as a Ukrainian living in the US).
human and civil rights aren’t “politics”
If politics includes the realm of persuading enough people and institutions to adopt or forget laws and standards, however moral of immoral they are, then rights of any kind are political.
Rights aren’t given in society for nothing. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights were created following WWII in which we saw the greatest political conflicts in the modern, technological age. Civil rights, at least in the US, have taken many acts as well as background political pressure to get to where we are today, and this institutionalizing of equal rights among American citizens only started after the US Civil War, the only civil war that country had ever experienced at that point.
