So many tears…
*liberal tears
That’s the issue with the FPTP voting system, it always eventually leads to a 2-party state like the US and the majority of the population votes for someone other than the winning party.
This happens in literally every country with the same voting system as the US.
How many of those who didn’t vote were from the states where Democrats won?
How many were from swing states?
How many were from Red states?
In an electoral college based election these nuances matter.
More people voted for no president, kick Trump out of the whitehouse
If you didn’t vote then you voted for the bad guy.
If you didn’t vote you are just as bad as the MAGAniacs.
If you didn’t vote you voted for Trump.
If you didn’t vote you are responsible for the current situation.
i voted (harris obv) but they apparently had issues with my vote and didnt count it until literally after trump won :)
Both options were bad.
You ran a shit candidate and lost, take the L and be better
Cannot disagree more and this kind of rhetoric is not likely to sway non voters.
Who cares? Fuck them. They need to feel shame.
How about we shame the 2 candidates that should’ve won in blowout victories but instead lost to donald trump?
How about we shame the people that nominated them over the alternatives?
If anything, it just shows how awful the democrat’s nominees were that they couldn’t even beat trump.
You people only have yourselves to blame. Stop running loser candidates.
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Yeah well, absolving them of shame and blaming Anyone and everyone except nonvoters isn’t a winning strategy either. As evidenced by gestures around
Its just not a winning strategy. If you are fine with the world burning to stand on principles so be it though.
Do you understand why that sounds incredibly hypocritical in this context? This could read equally well as a condemnation of someone that didn’t vote.
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But what if you didn’t vote because of the genocide in Palestine?
Does not voting in America somehow stop genocides in Palestine?
Yes.
How?
I’ve already answered your question.
This one made me laugh. It’s kind of got a British humor thing going.
Edit: Am I the only one who’s going to upvote this man? Watch him for awhile, he’s a legend.
Don’t bother, the person is just a raging moron or troll. Either way, it’s not worth engaging.
Then you allowed that genocide to make way for the riviera of the middle east (sponsored by the USA)
If people who stayed home in 2024 voted for Trump’s genocide, then logically, those who voted for Biden in 2020 voted for Biden’s genocide. These things go both ways.
Why do you support genocide?
See how ridiculous this is?
@WoodScientist: “Well, there’s genocide Trump MAGA and genocide, that’s not got much genocide in it.”
Which genocide was Biden doing?
The same genocide that Trump is doing. In fact, Biden’s death toll in Gaza is far, far higher than Trump’s so far.
Huh. Can you send me the legislation, executive orders or policy decisions that Biden made ordering the systematic murder, displacement, or erasure of a complete group of people?
Edit : that silence is deafening.
If people who stayed home in 2024 voted for Trump’s genocide, then logically, those who voted for Biden in 2020 voted for Biden’s genocide. These things go both ways.
Yes.
We do not escape the implications of our choices.
I don’t support it, but when you know both parties are going to support it, you at least go and vote for the one that won’t fuck everything else up and won’t put the genocide on a faster track than it already is.
It’s a really simple trolly problem. On one set of tracks was Palestine. On the second was Palestine , and American democracy.
Not voting was saying fuck Palestine, just as much as voting for Harris.
The US has never been a democracy, at best it was arguably a halfway decent representative republic at one time but if so that was before anyone here was born
If you DID vote for Harris, you voted for slightly delayed fascism. You didn’t vote for democracy, you just voted for slightly delayed fascism. I know, I voted for her. Democracy wasn’t on the ballot.
I agree.
These useful idiots have been conditioned to think that a slow loss is a win, though.
It’s a major reason why I will never vote for the ‘lesser evil’ candidate again.
If the people getting mad at me because I didn’t vote and trump won, they should do something differently next election and run a candidate that is good, not just the lesser evil.
Spoiler alert: They won’t do anything different and continue to blame the people for not “falling in line.” This is a song and dance that will last the rest of our lives.
It’s a major reason why I will never vote for the ‘lesser evil’ candidate again.
I get your point and I agree that voting for the lesser evil is still voting for evil but what is your solution?
The dems dont have a reason to pick a better candidate because they wont be the ones suffering under trump, its everyone else that suffers.
The solution is changing our culture. People need to value different things then put those values into action.
The problem is that democrats are greedy and entitled, too. They’re not willing to give up their luxuries to help those who have less because they believe that those who have more deserve more, and those who have less deserve less.
It’s why Bernie lost the nomination, twice.
The dems dont have a reason to pick a better candidate because they wont be the ones suffering under trump, its everyone else that suffers.
Great point. The useful idiots should be picking better candidates in the primaries. There are other options besides the lesser and greater evils. I’ve mentioned before though how the useful idiots have been conditioned to believe that a slow loss is still a win; it’s not.
Thanks, I only partially agree with you. While your solution is a good way, its also a long way. Culture changes are slow but people are suffering now under trump that wouldnt have suffered under Harris.
Dreaming of a better future is awesome but it shouldnt come at the cost of the present. Honestly the us political system sucks and I dont know how I would choose if my moral wouldnt allow me to support either candidate.
While I can respect your morality I can also understand that others are unhappy with the non voters because Harris is still far less evil than Trump.
Honestly the us political system sucks and I dont know how I would choose if my moral wouldnt allow me to support either candidate.
I’m being the change I want to see in the world. Clearly supporting establishment politicians is not solving the problems that face us as a species, so I’m choosing to do something different.
When the useful idiots get tired of losing to fascists, then maybe they’ll start to do something different, too.
I don’t expect them to, though. It’s part of what makes them useful idiots.
What exactly are you doing differently? I am not sure if I missed that or misunderstood something.
What I got is that you are not voting, which will change nothing to the better. And trying to change the culture?
Well it was, but Cornell West was a snowball in hell
Hitler got about 33% back when he started. He achieved his position by simply ignoring the law after that. Sounds familiar?
So they reformed the state after ww2, right?
No such change here. People literally swear their lives to “defending” the olde slavermaster pact.
They basically overhauled the political landscape completely. Actually, the allies installed a parliamentary system that fixed most issues of the German, British, and US system, and it has worked quite well, better than the originals.
I think you’re on to something. Presidential Republics are inherently unstable. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that South Korea is facing similar issues to America and both have Presidential systems.
After this settles if we aren’t all fighting in anarcho-capitalist communes, America might consider similar structural reform and consider a Prime Minister style of bicameralism (but they can call it President instead).
You make a good point and it’s a hopeful one
The really shocking stat is the growing number of eligible voters who have just stopped voting or participating in the system at all. When you look at the #1 reason why it is “no matter who wins my life doesn’t get better and no candidate represents me”. We have a quasi functional democracy at this point.
I mean, ~30 non-voting is, historically, really good
Things have been smooth enough in the last 80 years that people just don’t think they need to.
They’re wrong, of course. But this is a high-turnout election.
GOTV (Get Out The Vote) is always the actual part of elections. It’s also why the republiQans have focused so much on destroying that part.
Those who didn’t vote, who thought their vote didn’t matter, that no matter which politician gets elected to whatever office… they’re complicit.
The most complicit are the genocidal wackos who nominated a cop/prosecutor that campaigned to the cheyneys.
Nobody should be shamed into voting for trash.
Or suppressed. I’ll give some anecdotal examples. I have a friend that lives in a major metropolitan area with over 2.6 million people. When he applied to get a photo ID (he lost his previous one and needed a new one), the soonest appointment available for the entire metropolitan area was 3 months out. That’s just for the appointment to apply for the ID, not actually receiving the ID. You are required to have a photo ID to vote. Then, voter registration in itself must also be completed at least a month before an election. Now, let’s talk about the process of actually voting. I’ve personally stood in line for over 6 hours to vote. A lot of the people waiting in line had to leave to pick up their kids and other things. If you don’t pick up your kids from school or daycare at very specific times, there are serious penalties. While I was waiting, there must have been at least 40 people in front of me that had to leave before voting. Many of them had waited in line for over 4 hours. For most people, waiting in line is the only way to vote. Only the elderly and disabled qualify to vote by mail. Make no mistake, voter suppression is very effective, and it is implemented specifically in areas that vote against what the ruling party wants. In Trump leaning areas, the lines were no longer than a two minute wait if they existed at all. Trump never would have won either election if it wasn’t for voter suppression.
If you live in a blue state and didn’t vote, how are you complicit?
You’re not, they want to blame the voters for a bad candidate.
Local ballots? You should vote, that has more sway. My vote for Harris in California matter as much if I voted for Sonic the Hedgehog for President.
The only significantly statically impactful group of “non voters” is the population that was unable to or inconvenienced heavily by voting.
Meaning the major majority of voters that didn’t vote were either unable to because of other obligations (work, childcare, etc) with a small subset of that being people that were no motivated enough to deal with the inconvenience of visiting a poll line (4hours in line) after a 10 hour shift.
These are the vast vast majority of people that did not show up. Beyond that an even smaller percentage was the "protest voters’ that even if 100% of which went to Harris she still would have lost.
I guess I just want to say “in conclusion” that the vast majority of voters that didn’t vote were giving you your Starbucks or your Taco Bell.
I think we should spend less time blaming voters and more time being critical of the politicians and party that gives zero reason for the working class to “risk” their shift for.
No one’s gonna “risk a shift” for the policies and messaging that Harris communicated. You don’t get people to “risk their shift” for voting for a lesser evil.
the population that was unable to or inconvenienced heavily by voting.
Voting early or by mail was available to:
-Alaska
-Arizona
-Arkansas
-California: All active, registered voters automatically receive ballot.
-Colorado: All active, registered voters automatically receive ballot.
-D.C.: All active, registered voters automatically receive ballot.
-Delaware
-Florida
-Georgia
-Hawaii: All active, registered voters automatically receive ballot.
-Idaho
-Illinois
-Iowa
-Kansas
-Maine
-Maryland
-Massachusetts
-Michigan
-Minnesota
-Montana
-Nebraska
-Nevada: All active, registered voters automatically receive ballot.
-New Jersey
-New Mexico
-New York
-North Carolina
-North Dakota
-Ohio
-Oklahoma
-Oregon: All active, registered voters automatically receive ballot.
-Pennsylvania
-Rhode Island
-South Dakota
-Utah: All active, registered voters automatically receive ballot.
-Vermont: All active, registered voters automatically receive ballot.
-Virginia
-Washington: All active, registered voters automatically receive ballot.
-Wisconsin
-WyomingI’m not saying people don’t have tough lives, but it has been made pretty available to a lot of people at this point.
Note that there’s some asterisks on there.
Some of those states require you to get your ballot notarized and/or signed by witnesses. Incidentally this opens the door for voter intimidation since your witness is likely to be a spouse.
Also, you have scenarios like NC where they are trying to retroactively toss ballots that were counted, and mail in opens the door for “something wasn’t quite proper about the ballot, discard it”.
If you absolutely, positively, can not vote in person at all, then try your luck with mail in ballots, but if at all possible vote in person if you want the best chance for your vote to count.
I lived in a few different states and I’ve never lived some place where folks didn’t have 30 days to vote early and in person. I’m NOT talking about mail in whatever. 30 days! Just drop by. Not crowded. Not a big deal.
Sometimes i get the feeling that voting on a tuesday is working as expected: to keep working an poor people from voting…
Germany has voting per defintion only on sundays, and (at least where i live) the voting booths are everywhere. You can vote either per mail, or from 8:00 to 18:00 at a booth, and i never had to wait in a line to vote, and i’m in my 40s
No it’s the voters fault. Never forget. \s
Dw in canada the voter turn out is 18 percent.
I got a mail in ballot because I knew I wouldn’t have time to make it on Voting Day
Of course, in-person early voting is a safer bet.
Mailing in your ballot puts it at a significantly higher chance of being discarded.
not everyone lives in that kind of state here in the UnUnited States of America
Almost all of us do
I guess I just want to say “in conclusion” that the vast majority of voters that didn’t vote were giving you your Starbucks or your Taco Bell.
This is a very clear and succinct description of something I’ve been struggling to articulate for years. Affluent liberals can tell their boss they’re taking a long lunch to vote, and they don’t understand why shift workers don’t do the same.
I really appreciate your comment, because here we are months later and still a lot of folks don’t seem to be getting the big picture.
Maybe they need someone to blame other than the GOP, and folks who didn’t vote are the easiest target.
Other countries vote on Sundays, US could do the same.
Also mail in voting exists.
But yes, big brain move to not vote or vote some third party.
Nah bigger brain is telling ppl neo liberalism is better then conseravitsm. “If im poor at least I’m not them”. Why you think most of the world is conservative?
You lot never blame the dem leadership for making their biggest funder AIPAC/Israel, and allowing AIPAC funding to completely steer the party platform, the candidate choice, and the course of the race. Somehow Dem leaders are simply immune from blame in your eyes, even when AIPAC steers this outcome straight to a loss and Israelis said they never wanted the dems to win anyway.
The dems losing was much more desirable to AIPAC than a non genocide dem entering the race. The polls told dem leadership they were going to lose for the entire race and they decided to take the loss rather than give in to the no-to-genocide voters. AIPAC/Israel was more important to dem leadership than winning the race. Why do you still imagine that AIPAC supports dem voters or cares about America? You’ve learned nothing and you’re on the way to lose some more. Did you hear Dem leaders talk about the needs of the voters very much? No. You didnt-- but you sure saw them get animated and passionate about supporting zionist war crimes.For my vote, I wasnt going to lift a finger for any war criminal of any party, even if it meant this country burned itself to the ground. If the choice is murder lots of innocents or burn this place to the ground, I chose not to participate and let this place burn itself to the ground, and I’ll do it again if needed-- so will lots of other people – and theres nothing you can do about it. Dems cant win an election without them either.
So “blame” me on the internet all day, your boos mean nothing, I’ve seen what makes you cheer. I hope every dem leader gets to experience unemployment, and if it leads to revolution or “regime change” as we like to casually say it when its other countries suffering, then so be it. Its past time for this farce to “fundamentally change”.
I voted, and my vote definitely did not matter. Nor will it until we completely overhaul the election system, getting rid of the electoral college and first past the post. I don’t think that’s going to happen either until politicians acquire enough fear to offset their greed.
Is this true, any source?
Yes. An easy Google search away: https://populationeducation.org/breaking-down-big-numbers-in-the-2024-election/
The numbers are all public but the post is misrepresenting then because a) total number of voters doesn’t matter due to the stupidity that is the electoral college and b) I don’t think there has ever been a US president who actually got more than 50% of the entire population.
The post is pure “not my president” cope.
Not voting is not the same as not voting for Trump. Not voting is complying with other people’s votes. If you don’t live in a swing state then that’s understandable but if you live in a swing state and didn’t vote, you have allowed Trump to win this election.
I wonder what the percentage of not voters in swing states is. Surely it would be way lower since they have more incentive to vote right?
Of course the dems didnt win. How can an ostensibly leftist politcal party win an election based on support of another countrys far right-wing genocidal war, while standing for very little else, and while also reaching rightward for republican votes? Did you honestly think rhetorically waving a glock around and hugging Liz Cheney would simply work out?
The only winners here who got exactly what they wanted were AIPAC, who also were the biggest funders of both american polictial parties in what is essentially a mercenary state.
So why blame the voters when its the dem party leadership and AIPAC who set this lose-lose scenario up?
If you live in a country with only two options, you have to pick between one of the options, or let other people do it for you. If you chose to go with the latter, I hope it worked out for you.
Also the democratic party isn’t leftist at all so idk what you expect. It’s center-right at best.
The top 10 states by voter participation are: Minnesota Colorado Oregon Washington Wisconsin Maine New Hampshire Michigan Iowa New Jersey
Those above as well as Virginia, Montana, Massachusetts, Vermont, North Carolina, Florida, and Connecticut have participation rates above ~70%. While a few swing states are in there, it’s certainly not overwhelming given that I’ve listed about 40% of the states.
So 68.1% of the American public are complicit. Worse than I thought TBH. Fuck.
Yeah, no, that’s not how that works. We’ve got the electoral college, remember? There were 20 states that went blue. Any additional votes to Harris in those states wouldn’t have made Trump win less, refraining to vote in those states ultimately didn’t matter. You need to look at the percentage of people that didn’t vote in states that went red. But I get it, its easier to blame everyone who didn’t vote than to use critical thought.
Yeah, these numbers are generally brought up to “show” how weak Trump support is. But, what I see is that leftists are not a majority, even among people that give a damn. So, if leftists are going to make any progress, they need to take concrete actions with whoever they can agree with for that project, instead of attacking other leftists (because they didn’t vote e.g.) and going no-contact with everyone that’s not as ideologically pure as yourself.
We have to build consensus and lead by example before we can win at the polls.
The mistake here is assuming that the dems are left.
Where exactly did I say Dems are left? I self-identify as a (democratic) socialist, and there’s plenty of infighting all over the left: anarchists, communists, etc.
I voted for the Dems, but that’s harm reduction not agreement.
Democrats arent leftists. Left of the the republicans isn’t the same as being a leftist, and voting for democrats doesn’t make you a leftist.
I didn’t say democracts were. But leftists that did vote voted D as harm reduction.
In the US it’s legal for corporations to create propaganda outlets which stream nonstop lies designed to get sensitive individuals to vote fascists. It’s impossible to have democratic elections and have completely disinformed and propagandized voters. Yet even after killing hundreds of thousands of conservative voters the courts have sided with the propaganda outlets.
Complicit with genocide? That’s everybody who voted actually.
Yeah, pretending that it wasn’t a landslide is a grand delusion.
“Yeah, pretending that it was
n’ta landslide is a grand delusion.”FTFY
68.1% support Trump 30.84% support Harris 1.06% support 3rd party
FIFY. Please stop pretending that it wasn’t a landslide. Please stop pretending that Americans don’t support fascism. Please stop pretending that you’re not responsible.
Not how that works. People who didn’t vote in a state that went blue didn’t contribute to trump winning. Try again.
Of course they did!
You can’t make a state more blue. Their votes didn’t matter because Harris won.
there is a huge number of people not legally allowed to vote but people like you insist on helping our jailers like Trump to make our fellow citizens the problem not the oligarchs
I like how latent fascists always come up with excuses.
69 voted for Krasnov. [-----NICE-----]
31.78 …allegedly.
that number is probably vastly inflated by at least 3% to 5% by elon.
want a source? suck my cock and find it yourself. (sorry, reddit bots got to me a while ago)
I am curious how many of those 36% that didn’t vote wanted to but couldn’t due to gerrymandering and other bullshit.
Some probably voted but their vote got thrown out so it didn’t count.
Well they’d still be able to vote in a gerrymandered district, but as far as voter suppression, it was at an all time high, in terms of ratfucking attempts, but it’s still small compared to the overall population of non-voters.
Among those eligible to vote who say they did not cast a ballot, 42% say they wish they had voted while 57% say they do not.
So. Don’t give a damn til their shit blows up in real time.
Holy hell, 42%???
…do you know what gerrymandering is?
In context they seem to mean disenfranchised.
There were lawsuits happening for years around all that. The r’s won a ton of those lawsuits.
That’s 90 million people. Even if 33% couldn’t vote due to ratfucking, that’s still 60 million who didn’t care and could’ve made a difference.
