Not voting is not the same as not voting for Trump. Not voting is complying with other people’s votes. If you don’t live in a swing state then that’s understandable but if you live in a swing state and didn’t vote, you have allowed Trump to win this election.
I wonder what the percentage of not voters in swing states is. Surely it would be way lower since they have more incentive to vote right?
The top 10 states by voter participation are: Minnesota Colorado Oregon Washington Wisconsin Maine New Hampshire Michigan Iowa New Jersey
Those above as well as Virginia, Montana, Massachusetts, Vermont, North Carolina, Florida, and Connecticut have participation rates above ~70%. While a few swing states are in there, it’s certainly not overwhelming given that I’ve listed about 40% of the states.
Of course the dems didnt win. How can an ostensibly leftist politcal party win an election based on support of another countrys far right-wing genocidal war, while standing for very little else, and while also reaching rightward for republican votes? Did you honestly think rhetorically waving a glock around and hugging Liz Cheney would simply work out?
The only winners here who got exactly what they wanted were AIPAC, who also were the biggest funders of both american polictial parties in what is essentially a mercenary state.
So why blame the voters when its the dem party leadership and AIPAC who set this lose-lose scenario up?
If you live in a country with only two options, you have to pick between one of the options, or let other people do it for you. If you chose to go with the latter, I hope it worked out for you.
Also the democratic party isn’t leftist at all so idk what you expect. It’s center-right at best.
So many didn’t vote. Can they vote to a single third party so we don’t have to deal with this two party system please.
You’d love politics. :D
Let’s get a count of all of the votes that were tossed due to targeted voter registration purges.
Both times Trump won was when a woman was running against him. The only time he lost was to a white old man.
USA is just sexist and Americans better come to terms with it rather than making up random reasons.
I need to mention that the reason why 20 million fewer voters voted is. Because of the massive voter suppression that was done prior to the 2024 election. So many people were purged from voters rolls and many polling places were closed it wasn’t funny.
While I’m sure that was part of it, a lot of people didn’t vote for other reasons as well. Someone I know who you would probably consider “left” didn’t vote at all because of Harris supporting Israel (I’m aware trump is worse for Palestinians), and I know a bunch of other people I’ve spoken to online also didn’t vote at all for the same reason.
Plus I suspect a lot of other previous Biden voters didn’t vote at all for similar reasons, like possibly all party’s are owned by the rich.
Bottom line, a class war is needed to get the rich in check.
Unfortunately, if they didn’t vote, they have no right to complain when shit blows up in their face. I don’t feel represented by basically any candidate in my home country, Canada, or where I live, the UK. I still participate and vote for the person closest to what I’d like to see. If you don’t participate, you don’t get to bitch.
People who didn’t vote are not the one complaining, they knew things are going to be worse for them no matter who came to office.
People who are complaining are the ones whose candidate lost.
this is harder to say when you look at how Americans in the urban parts of the South had to wait upwards of 6 hours in line to vote, amidst intimidation by armed militias and often facing dismissal from their workplaces if they weren’t at work on time that day
Look, it’s different if you tried to vote and weren’t able to. If you literally made no effort, then stfu. I should have been a bit more clear on that.
There’s a lot that needs to be done to make the American system better, electoral college, gerrymandering, blatant voter intimidation, better worker’s rights that include the right to have leave to vote.
none of that will be done because the party currently in power is only in power because of the failing system. if we revolt we should just start from a better base system
shrugs I agree, just gotta wait and see how things pan out. Hope that America gets their shit together.
Ah yes there was someone saying 1 in 2 people voted for Trump and yeah nope…
As usual, apathy is the greatest ally of authoritarianism.
I’d say the lesser evil is the greatest ally of authoritarianism in this case.
People don’t vote for democrats because democrats don’t care about the working class. They just use the culture war as a distraction from the class war.
If useful idiots didn’t vote for hillary clinton in the 2016 primary, we would’ve had 8 years of Bernie and 0 years of trump.
Instead, they just throw a woman up and say “hey guys! first BLACK woman president! Vote for us or you’re a bigot fascist!”
Surprise surprise, that’s not a winning strategy. Stop supporting the democrats who push it.
Fun fact: both times democrats ran a female president resulted in a trump presidency. In other words, 100% of female democratic presidential candidates lost to trump. If we follow history and want a fascist in office, let’s run a female that doesn’t care about the working class.
It’s so fucking infuriating that practically every election, if it were possible, “did not vote” would win the presidency.
We’re always looking at some stupidly close, razor margins bullshit, when there’s a MASSIVE group of people that unfortunately just couldn’t possibly give a shit less…
I vote that if “did not vote” wins, that means “nobody” wins, and therefore “nobody” is president for 4y, try again next time.
I also vote that we as a country take a que from Talkeetna, AK. We should elect a cat president, if one can be mayor why not? And a cat will do better than any human I’ve met, so…
They would have to be 35 and a natural born citizen. Maybe a turtle or a parrot would work?
Fair, turtle it is, parrot too “can talk” to be president.
That’s the point. It’s important these people think that each election is between a giant douche and a turd sandwich.
It’s why Bernie wasn’t allowed to win any primaries.
Last elections were between stale bread with wilted lettuce and a turd sandwich covered in diarrhea with lead flakes and pube sprinkles.
And millions of Americans still think they’re the same. I guess sabotaging education for 50 years really works.
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So many tears…
*liberal tears
If you didn’t vote then you voted for the bad guy.
If you didn’t vote you are just as bad as the MAGAniacs.
If you didn’t vote you voted for Trump.
If you didn’t vote you are responsible for the current situation.
Cannot disagree more and this kind of rhetoric is not likely to sway non voters.
Who cares? Fuck them. They need to feel shame.
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Its just not a winning strategy. If you are fine with the world burning to stand on principles so be it though.
Do you understand why that sounds incredibly hypocritical in this context? This could read equally well as a condemnation of someone that didn’t vote.
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Yeah well, absolving them of shame and blaming Anyone and everyone except nonvoters isn’t a winning strategy either. As evidenced by gestures around
How about we shame the 2 candidates that should’ve won in blowout victories but instead lost to donald trump?
How about we shame the people that nominated them over the alternatives?
If anything, it just shows how awful the democrat’s nominees were that they couldn’t even beat trump.
You people only have yourselves to blame. Stop running loser candidates.
If you DID vote for Harris, you voted for slightly delayed fascism. You didn’t vote for democracy, you just voted for slightly delayed fascism. I know, I voted for her. Democracy wasn’t on the ballot.
I agree.
These useful idiots have been conditioned to think that a slow loss is a win, though.
It’s a major reason why I will never vote for the ‘lesser evil’ candidate again.
If the people getting mad at me because I didn’t vote and trump won, they should do something differently next election and run a candidate that is good, not just the lesser evil.
Spoiler alert: They won’t do anything different and continue to blame the people for not “falling in line.” This is a song and dance that will last the rest of our lives.
It’s a major reason why I will never vote for the ‘lesser evil’ candidate again.
I get your point and I agree that voting for the lesser evil is still voting for evil but what is your solution?
The dems dont have a reason to pick a better candidate because they wont be the ones suffering under trump, its everyone else that suffers.
The solution is changing our culture. People need to value different things then put those values into action.
The problem is that democrats are greedy and entitled, too. They’re not willing to give up their luxuries to help those who have less because they believe that those who have more deserve more, and those who have less deserve less.
It’s why Bernie lost the nomination, twice.
The dems dont have a reason to pick a better candidate because they wont be the ones suffering under trump, its everyone else that suffers.
Great point. The useful idiots should be picking better candidates in the primaries. There are other options besides the lesser and greater evils. I’ve mentioned before though how the useful idiots have been conditioned to believe that a slow loss is still a win; it’s not.
Thanks, I only partially agree with you. While your solution is a good way, its also a long way. Culture changes are slow but people are suffering now under trump that wouldnt have suffered under Harris.
Dreaming of a better future is awesome but it shouldnt come at the cost of the present. Honestly the us political system sucks and I dont know how I would choose if my moral wouldnt allow me to support either candidate.
While I can respect your morality I can also understand that others are unhappy with the non voters because Harris is still far less evil than Trump.
Honestly the us political system sucks and I dont know how I would choose if my moral wouldnt allow me to support either candidate.
I’m being the change I want to see in the world. Clearly supporting establishment politicians is not solving the problems that face us as a species, so I’m choosing to do something different.
When the useful idiots get tired of losing to fascists, then maybe they’ll start to do something different, too.
I don’t expect them to, though. It’s part of what makes them useful idiots.
What exactly are you doing differently? I am not sure if I missed that or misunderstood something.
What I got is that you are not voting, which will change nothing to the better. And trying to change the culture?
Well it was, but Cornell West was a snowball in hell
Both options were bad.
You ran a shit candidate and lost, take the L and be better
But what if you didn’t vote because of the genocide in Palestine?
Does not voting in America somehow stop genocides in Palestine?
Yes.
How?
I’ve already answered your question.
This one made me laugh. It’s kind of got a British humor thing going.
Edit: Am I the only one who’s going to upvote this man? Watch him for awhile, he’s a legend.
Don’t bother, the person is just a raging moron or troll. Either way, it’s not worth engaging.
Then you allowed that genocide to make way for the riviera of the middle east (sponsored by the USA)
If people who stayed home in 2024 voted for Trump’s genocide, then logically, those who voted for Biden in 2020 voted for Biden’s genocide. These things go both ways.
Why do you support genocide?
See how ridiculous this is?
If people who stayed home in 2024 voted for Trump’s genocide, then logically, those who voted for Biden in 2020 voted for Biden’s genocide. These things go both ways.
Yes.
We do not escape the implications of our choices.
@WoodScientist: “Well, there’s genocide Trump MAGA and genocide, that’s not got much genocide in it.”
I don’t support it, but when you know both parties are going to support it, you at least go and vote for the one that won’t fuck everything else up and won’t put the genocide on a faster track than it already is.
It’s a really simple trolly problem. On one set of tracks was Palestine. On the second was Palestine , and American democracy.
Not voting was saying fuck Palestine, just as much as voting for Harris.
The US has never been a democracy, at best it was arguably a halfway decent representative republic at one time but if so that was before anyone here was born
Which genocide was Biden doing?
The same genocide that Trump is doing. In fact, Biden’s death toll in Gaza is far, far higher than Trump’s so far.
Huh. Can you send me the legislation, executive orders or policy decisions that Biden made ordering the systematic murder, displacement, or erasure of a complete group of people?
Edit : that silence is deafening.
i voted (harris obv) but they apparently had issues with my vote and didnt count it until literally after trump won :)
Well the US clearly doesn’t mind that much cause they’re accepting his neverending stream of shit.
Man if only there was some huge portion of left wing constituents demanding change over a tax funded genocide that the democratic party could have easily pandered to and gotten that extra 1% boost of votes.
But like such a group would be too small to make a difference amirite.
Ah yes, Palestine abstainers, too small to make a difference (so you can’t blame them for ushering in fascism and several additional genocides!) but also large enough that if Dems had just Tried This One Simple Trick, they would have gained net millions of votes and won the election.
Your vote only matters in swing states. The whole electoral college thing is fucked.
Internalizing the “your vote only matters in purple states” will turn it into a self fulfilling prophecy.
Previously blue states have turned purple, previously purple states have turned red. Nothing is set in stone, although resting on your laurels (if your state is blue) or giving up (if your state is red) will all but guarantee that the changes will only happen in one direction: the bad one.
In 2020, Texas would have gone blue were it not for Ken Paxton purging mail-in votes, by Paxton’s own admission.
Nothing is set in stone, so you need fight for every inch.
Internalizing the “your vote only matters in purple states” will turn it into a self fulfilling prophecy.
They’re not prophesizing about some future, but making an obvious factual statement about present reality.
Nothing is set in stone, so you need fight for every inch.
You should check out the current administration. They’re not leaving any time soon.
Does emphasizing “votes only matter in swing states” influence future votes?
Yeah, it’s pretty dumb. The popular vote is what should matter. That’s the only way each vote counts as much as any other vote, which is like a basic principle of democracy.
didn’t Trump still win the popular vote though
He got more votes than Harris, but less than 50%.
Yes, but many people simply don’t vote because they know their chosen party will win easily. By the numbers there are more Democrats than Republicans.
fair enough
The election was stolen with Russian and Muskys help.
Don’t enable the abusers narrative.
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The election was stolen with Russian and Muskys help.
It should never have been close enough for them to matter.
This is who we are.
If there was cheating, closeness would be an illusion.
This isn’t who we are
Some people maybe.
But if there was cheating
That would mean there’s more of us.
Also would go further into pointing out… of those 31.74% that did vote for it… it’s not a mandate for things that he didn’t run on… or even ran against.
Say trump took a shit ton of credit for promising to never cut social security and medicaid. When his mind changes from what he promised, the “mandate” arguement is even worse.
In a hypothetical world where lets say someone did run, promised a lot of things, and won with 98% of the vote, so that we could say they have a mandate. The mandate still only would apply to the things they actually claimed they were going to do on the campaign trail. If they are doing the opposite of what they promised the mandate is completely bullshit even in that scenerio.
