“speak”
He’s warning us not to speak out then telling us to speak out.
I mean probably don’t speak out if you’re not a citizen at this point in time for safety but otherwise be loud. They can’t deport everyone.
If reporting what the administration is doing makes you wary to exercise your rights, it’s not the reporter that’s telling you not to speak out
Well said.
he’s outlining the erosion of rights and telling you to stand up together before there’s nothing left to defend
the opposite. he’s saying speak now or forever hold your peace (because you’ll be dead)
You are incorrect. He’s saying that if you use your right to free speech, you CAN be disappeared. Your grasp of the word “can” is tenuous.
And you’re a pedantic prick, so here we are.
No u
He is telling Americans to speak out now before Trump stops them from speaking out
You need to do more than speak out though. We’ve been speaking out about Trump for a decade and he’s was reflected and is currently breaking America to rebuild it into some kind of dictatorship.
I never thought that I would under a fascist dictatorship. What will the history books say about this.
Depends on where they are printed
I’ve said this in another post, and I’ll say it again.
Where are the resources? Where are the leaders? Where are the groups?
People are scrambling right now because there are a million people screaming and no one leading nor taking direction. We need courage, focus, and precision to win but everyone is acting spineless, scattered, and aloof.
We need every single person online using TOR and/or a VPN. We need an underground railroad. We need protocol to fight against ICE raids. We need places to find weapons (yes, even in blue states because a lot of people still don’t own). And most importantly, as our greatest civil disobedience, we need to stop paying federal taxes. I would even like to go as far as a general strike.
So how are we going to get this and more together? Or are we instead going to sit and cry about this?
I’m donating to Sanders, I donated before and volunteered before for his presidential runs. He’s not perfect by any means but I’m putting money I barely have there. I want to volunteer again, but I’d also look at AOC for organizing and raising money she is very capable. If you want to cross the line to real effort, there’s some good CIA booklets you can find online about simple sabotage. It’s worth looking into.
laughs in EU
I did speak out already, back when I did not have to worry about being potentially murdered by the state (or at least not nearly as much) for it and voters were apparently were like “Eh lets give the fascist a second chance.”
Like, my level of resentment out weighs my desire to save the people in this country. And I already legitimately have always wanted to live forever (I know I wont, shut the fuck up), let alone not die early. I’m not sticking my head out for my skull to be crushed by a brown shirt after I already have done what I’ve done.
I was going to try and scrounge enough to flee to Canada what with a decent amount of savings, passport, and a Software Engineering degree but after some set backs related to my car dying and the job market imploding basically everywhere I’m now worried I might be fucking stuck here for a while. So now I’m mostly just focused on keeping my head down.
AN INJURY TO ONE IS AN INJURY TO ALL
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For solidarity, open the door, take off your pyjamas, go out and close the door. Sacrifice yourself for solidarity because that is solidarity and if everyone does this, the problem is solved! /s
You will just get to live in poverty, not have any social mobility, put your family in debt for generations over a work injury and lose your job over it, won’t get to vote, will get sent to death camp for a joke in a comment. Being inconvenienced and poor for a bit in order to fix your country is a hell lot convenient, safer and cheaper than spending rest of your life there.
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We’re past the point of speaking out.
I would like for you to consider why the US constitution outlines free speech in its first amendment, and the right to bear arms in the second. The reason why is not that different than the principal of charity, or the social contract of tolerance. The first amendment outlines and sets speech, language, as the first step in challenging authority. But implicit in that principal, is the idea that governments are precluded from not listening, or not being available to that speech. It is literally in why the US constitution is structured the way it is, in putting limits and restraints on governments, not people.
We have devolved long past the point where free speech is respected by the US government, under any interpretation of the words.
The second, is an enshrining of the right to to the use of violence when the first is no longer being respected.
But what if he can disappear people who speak out?
Fight to you die. People will care a lot not when it escalates. You want them to show their colors as soon as possible fascism heavily depends on people slowly boiling alive until it’s already to late.
Well, I look at this way.
Trump is going to fuck me and my family no matter what.
The only way Trump is not going to fuck you is if you make over $250k a year, are a white male adult, and are willing to kiss the ring.
Eventually I will be on that list of people to oppress/disappear because of who I am, not what I’ve done or will do. It’s more than likely you or your family members will be too.
Because while they start with the outspoken, when opposition is silenced, they will move on to crush the meek with a horrible glee. In the end, it won’t matter one whit to them what you do or say unless it gets in their way - it’s about what they want to do to you.
So let your inner Luigi roar. They’re coming for us anyway. You have a chance to speak NOW. Use it. They haven’t won yet, and they won’t if enough of us speak out.
Green card holders aren’t citizens.
If non-citizens don’t get due process, nobody does. All they have to do is claim you’re not a citizen and then good luck proving you are one without due process.
some people don’t seem to realize why it’s called the law of the land, not the law of the citizens.
who said they are and how is that relevant
But that’s the point. If he can do it to people here legally and the other branches don’t push back and/or he ignores judgements concerning it, then the laws start to become meaningless and he’s little less than a king. After that it’s a slippery slope to detaining citizens for speaking poorly about the government, it’s officials or Trump himself.
And not any kind of king. An absolutist king.
We need to disappear this regime.
I wasn’t aware that “we” were taking it lying down.
Libs just stood up a few weeks ago with the rotation of “parties”.
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Who is doing anything about it? What have you done?
Not buying American products. Supporting political candidates that support Ukraine (that’s more relevant in other countries, in the UK support for Ukraine is pretty much universal even in the extreme right-wing parties, UK doesn’t like Russia).
Presumably you want me to charge the Bastille though.
So you’ve boycutted Coca Cola, and vote how you would’ve anyway.
You are making my point for me.
You’re right I should be a rude prick online that’ll really help.
So what radical actions are you taking comrade sarcastic dick?
First one, and this one is very important: be violent towards Nazis. If someone in your near vicinity talks nazi trash, punch them in their fucking faces. We will not tolerate their bullshit in our streets.
Secondly, keep yourself informed, to help keeping other people informed. Not about what the Trump governments latest distractions are, but about stuff like special elections, where Democrats have a chance of taking Republican seats. They just flipped a historically unopposed conservative Senate seat to be democrat.
And third, campaign for progressives who are trying to unseat “moderate” democrats who vote with republicans in America. I might never even set foot in America myself, but the consequences worldwide if trump successfully turns America fascist are insane.
Good for you, but as I already said I’m not American, I’m not in America, so I can’t vote in your elections and I can’t talk to republican voters because there aren’t any here. There are plenty of right-wing voters in the UK but they have completely different priorities to US Republicans, they’re not equivalent.
So what else can I do being so remote?
Dude I’m Danish. Plus, i never said anything about talking to Republican voters…
I talked about helping to keep the democratic voters informed about special elections where they have a chance to turn the power in government.
You can do that online no problem.
but as I already said I’m not American
then go talk about tea and scones somewhere else
I am all for punching nazis.
However, I think what seems- key after seeing how people can be manipulated into voting against their own interests and instead for things like Brexit and MAGA… people can be really fucking stupid - and if they’re convinced that actually it’s this other reason they’re being told is the cause of their problems…. Them receiving a punch to the face means they shut off from any possibility of reasonable explanation and deprogramming. Idk. I just think what’s happening right now is a lot more nuanced than your vitriol presents. I don’t think we can punch our way out of this problem.
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They are protesting genocide, it is not a war. Why is he making light of it?
But what do we do? I feel so powerless
My friends and are I looking into making our own commune.
You’re not powerless, and you’re not alone.
They want you to be afraid. You know how you beat fear? You fucking let your anger out. Turn that flight reflex into fight. Forge the adrenaline of threat into rage at what this Nazi fuck is doing to our country, to your neighbors, to your family, to YOU.
And then let it cool just enough so that it becomes the blade of freedom that will drive and defend you. Let it guide you tactically and strategically, and find others willing to raise their blades to join yours.
Start going to your local town halls and visit your representatives in person. Write and call them if you can’t - use physical mail.
Join the protests, but with a group looking out for each other and has smart tactics - not carrying cell phones, is ready to defend themselves, masked, and has a smart exit strategy. Be aware that if the police know who you are, so do the alt-right thugs who are willing to do what the police won’'t.
We beat the Nazis before. We beat the Confederacy before.
We will do it again.
grow a pair and buy a gun
And then what?
Form a terrorist cell, network for it to grow, and start killing people/destroying infrastructure
Or stop pretending like buying a gun does anything and enjoy what the majority of Americans wanted
study history. imagine likely scenarios. learn how to avoid them. prepare prepare prepare.
Buy bullets. Practice shooting.
