Trust me, I do get your point, but the reason we don’t have race on our ID’s is because its arbitrary. Black Irish exist for example.
So why would my skin color be listed on my ID if my picture is there?
Anyone who is cross referencing the picture could simply just say what the skin color or ethnicity is.
In any case, I think your argument is moot. If police are trying to identify someone in a crowd, why would having their gender on their licence help?
If police know who they’re looking for, they will look up the person on their computer, and could see gender there. That doesn’t mean it needs to be on a licence.
Race is certainly not arbitrary, as your previous comment proved and common sense would substantiate.
Which part of my comment proved race is not arbitrary?
Black Irish?
Do you expect my drivers licence to list “black Irish” as a race?
If you want to look at specifically why gender could be useful information in this one example, you can simply envision someone with a beard who identifies as female. The fact that their gender is female could inform an officer what they’d be wearing, where implying looking at the picture would guide the officer to assume the opposite.
I’m not sure why you’re looking at edge cases and making sweeping statements on effectiveness based on those examples.
This example is so extreme.
Even in this example I still dont understand why gender needs to be on the licence
If police know they’re looking for a trans woman, why would having the gender on the licence help?
You can’t just declare yourself as someone making sense lol
Reiterate your point: give me an example where having gender on a licence is helpful.
I reject your previous example because the police looking for a trans woman would know it’s a trans woman they’re looking for. Having that info on the licence doesn’t help them at all.
Nah I’m good. I don’t think youre arguing in good faith.
I’ve stated multiple points in multiple different comments that bring this out of the realm of examples you brought us into.
Both law-enforcement examples were yours. All I’ve asked for is one where a printed gender field helps, meaning it tells an officer something they couldn’t get from the photo, the police record, or the dispatch description. You said there were “more than enough examples”, gave two (which I reject), and declined a third.
You acknowledge police work from the information on their computer systems. Gender can be recorded there without being printed on ID, and neither example gets from “recorded” to “printed”. Your rule that more identifiers make a more effective ID only holds for identifiers that add something.
My question was why it needs to be on a licence. You still haven’t answered that.
I’m going to leave it up to the court of public opinion. If anyone else is this far down and has an opinion, feel free to weigh in, i’d like to know what piece of this I’m missing.
Trust me, I do get your point, but the reason we don’t have race on our ID’s is because its arbitrary. Black Irish exist for example.
So why would my skin color be listed on my ID if my picture is there?
Anyone who is cross referencing the picture could simply just say what the skin color or ethnicity is.
In any case, I think your argument is moot. If police are trying to identify someone in a crowd, why would having their gender on their licence help?
If police know who they’re looking for, they will look up the person on their computer, and could see gender there. That doesn’t mean it needs to be on a licence.
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Which part of my comment proved race is not arbitrary?
Black Irish?
Do you expect my drivers licence to list “black Irish” as a race?
This example is so extreme.
Even in this example I still dont understand why gender needs to be on the licence
If police know they’re looking for a trans woman, why would having the gender on the licence help?
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You can’t just declare yourself as someone making sense lol
Reiterate your point: give me an example where having gender on a licence is helpful.
I reject your previous example because the police looking for a trans woman would know it’s a trans woman they’re looking for. Having that info on the licence doesn’t help them at all.
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Nah I’m good. I don’t think youre arguing in good faith.
Both law-enforcement examples were yours. All I’ve asked for is one where a printed gender field helps, meaning it tells an officer something they couldn’t get from the photo, the police record, or the dispatch description. You said there were “more than enough examples”, gave two (which I reject), and declined a third.
You acknowledge police work from the information on their computer systems. Gender can be recorded there without being printed on ID, and neither example gets from “recorded” to “printed”. Your rule that more identifiers make a more effective ID only holds for identifiers that add something.
My question was why it needs to be on a licence. You still haven’t answered that.
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I’m going to leave it up to the court of public opinion. If anyone else is this far down and has an opinion, feel free to weigh in, i’d like to know what piece of this I’m missing.