Fucking fascists
Boy, what a self aware example that shows of so many of the issues on the right.
The fifth amendment only requires due process for capital crimes. Being in the country illegally is not a capital crime, and being deported does not permanently bar you from re-entry.
Can’t tell if you’re a lying fascist or uninformed
Tell me, how do they determine if you actually are a citizen or not without due process?
There are two ways to become a citizen in the United States:
- By birth
- By naturalization
Both are attested by government certificates. Do you really think the government does not have access to those records? If someone is not found in either of those, what are the chances that they have a valid claim to citizenship?
And while I’m at it, suppose someone is born in the US but not in a hospital. They’d have the claim but not the papers to show. Fuck 'em?
Do you not know what “due process” is, then?
The government checking a database for records and ensuring those are correct and in line with the information the accused has (via a judicial body), IS DUE PROCESS.
What are the chances? This isn’t the fucking casino, it’s people’s legal rights, which are also YOUR legal rights, and they are proved by evidence, not odds.
Not giving someone due process, means they don’t have to look at those government documents (and they haven’t been in several cases and admitted it). That means YOU, they can refuse to look at your ID or say it is fake, refuse to let you prove it in court- THAT’S DUE PROCESS
NONE of this, and I can’t emphasize this enough, is about these people’s actual legal citizenship status or not, so your first two points are mind-numbingly bad. Whether you get your day in court is how we determine ANYTHING in this country so we MUST grant it, or else they own your body and self and can just kidnap you anywhere, literally.
You’re a fucking idiot.
The government checking a database for records and ensuring those are correct and in line with the information the accused has (via a judicial body), IS DUE PROCESS.
Okay, so when ICE goes to arrest people for whom they have no immigration records, they’ve already done their due process then, haven’t they. Glad we agree here.
We doin law by statistical probability? What are the odds their kid flushed their papers down the toilet that morning. They just SOL?
There’s a process for determining citizenship and “that tattooed guy with brown skin looks illegal. Send him to the torture slave camp” aint it champ. He even had his papers. Try again.
If the kid flushed down the papers they’ll still be the government database, won’t they.
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
I’m not sure you understand what the word nor means.
Deporting someone isn’t depriving them of life or liberty unless they are certain to be incarcerated the moment they arrive. Which, I suppose, would be the case for those folks that were shipped off to El Salvador, but for the majority of deportees, it isn’t.
There are people here seeking asylum for threats of gang violence against them. Depriving someone of their safe refuge is depriving someone of liberty. Do you think those people should be sent back to their countries?
Well it doesn’t matter what you think because that already happened.
Seeking asylum isn’t illegal, and those with a pending petition are not considered illegal immigrants. Until a decision is made, they have temporary protected status.
Crossing the border without permission OTH IS illegal and subject to deportation. It’s not that difficult.
You realize part of seeking asylum also can involve crossing the border without permission and is codified in law?
How many of those deported by Trump did have a pending petition for asylum?
Dozens so far, apparently: https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/trump-deported-238-venezuelans-el-salvador-dozens-have-active-asylum-cases-2025-04-01/
This doesn’t include the random hair dresser or the guy who they admit shouldn’t have been deported at all and wasn’t illegal but won’t get him back anyway
I’m assuming you are conveniently ignoring Trump’s executive orders that severely limited options for seeking asylum and instead are asking people to search innumerable records to distract from the inhumanity of your position?
Can’t deport asylum seekers if seeking asylum is illegal after all.
May those who find themselves with the power to judge your fate have the mercy and compassion you so clearly lack.
Sure until they decide you no longer have your temporary protected status. It doesn’t even matter if you’re a citizen, you have an autism awareness tattoo? Have fun in El Salvador
A petition for asylum does not HAVE to be accepted. Once it’s been denied, you do indeed lose your status, and you’re generally expected to leave the country.
But tell me, please, how many of those who have been deported by Trump had a pending petition for asylum that was ignored?
unalienable
Pretty sure the idea of due process extends to ensuring the government respects “certain unalienable rights” that America recognizes all people are born with–that includes non-citizens
Assemble a list of MAGAts. Denounce all of them as illegal aliens. At least a few of them will be deported.
Repeat ad infinitum.
Bitch you asked
If others don’t have rights, you don’t either.
non-american here, what is an “alien” in this context? i imagine it doesn’t mean “extraterrestrial”
edit: actually nvm, i just searched it up. why are people being called aliens? does this word even fit that role?
yes it’s the appropriate term with the same meaning dating back to its original latin meaning, well before the concept of extraterrestrials
Where did you think the scifi term alien came from?
It just means foreigner, people will even use it as a verb
Something is alien (unknown) to me
Alienate is to exclude
Comes from here https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/alienus#Latin
I’m an alien, I’m a legal alien. I’m an Englishman in New York
Are you the guy Sting wrote the song about?
Nope. I like my toast done on both sides.
Bill Clinton used the phrase “illegal alien” to refer to immigrants without legal status like a green card, Regan and Bush were very pro immigration and both gave amnesty to immigrants in the US without legal status so they could stay in the US work, and apply for legal status, Clinton beat HW Bush by attacking him for the right on immigration, stoking racist hate towards Mexicans, Chicanos, and other Hispanics, which beat Bush badly, the GOP has been as hard line anti-immigrant as possible ever since, in fact Bod Dole lost a lot of votes by saying he wanted military all along the southern boarder, and as stupid as it was then it still is today, even though the average racist American views all Hispanic peoples as Mexicans who illegally enter on foot or swimming, the vast majority of undocumented or authorized immigrants enter on planes, with legal status. Staying Legal in the US is like going to the DMV and getting your car registered, except the rules always change, your job at work can lie and say they are sponsoring you, or processing paperwork for you until you are illegal and face zero consequences, the enforcing officers can make up rules on the spot and process deportation and imprisonment against your legal rights, and even if you have a lawyer, you might never get resolution on any matter, you could end up stuck in prison without any way to sort of what got you there as “they were suspected of a crime, so we won’t be processing anything” using the unjustified arrest or detainment AS the pretext for the continued legal abuse.
where was I? oh yeah. Clinton used to say it a lot in the 90’s was a whole buzzword.
Clinton beat HW Bush by attacking him for the right on immigration, stoking racist hate towards Mexicans, Chicanos, and other Hispanics, which beat Bush badly
Bill Clinton is a racist, sex pest? Sounds a lot like Trumpy.
- Allegedly let cocaine enter Arkansas
- pardoned his own brother (after he had served the sentence)
- allegedly used state trooper to scout women and drive him to affairs
- flew back to Arkansas while campaigning for the execution of Ricky Ray Rector (who was mentally impaired after shooting himself in the head)
- endorsed the Democratic Council Leadership’s rhetoric of subtle racism
- held a press conference in Stone Mountain, home of the second rendition of the KKK
and I just picked from his presidential campaign.
I think it’s the original definition of the word alien, but I might be wrong. Kinda derogatory now but still used in legal contexts
Ate the onion. People don’t care about logic and facts any more.
@AnnieGotAGun_1 does not seem like a parody account
Trump and MAGA piss around somewhere, liberals post about it outraged and protesting.
Meanwhile Trump and MAGA piss around somewhere new, liberals post about it outraged and protesting.
Then, Trump and MAGA… well you get it. They are pissers. It’s what they do. Pissing you off is what MAGAts crave. Posts like OP is what they want the whole internet to be full of.
Hence, you ate the onion, you took something seriously that was not meant to be serious. (Doesn’t meant there shouldn’t be resistance).
I think it’s more accurate that they fed the troll. Eating the onion specifically refers to reacting seriously to a parody news source.
This is why US concentration camps are in Guntanamo Bay and El Salvador
A reminder about your rights. If the government can declare you to have an attribute that negates your rights, then you have no rights.
In laymen’s terms, if ICE arrests you and fast deports you, whose going to stop them? Okay but you get to a consulate in the foreign country and get back home. When you come out of your lawyer’s office (because you’re suing ICE), ICE arrests you again, this time as a criminal illegal alien because you came back in. They tell no one they have you, they tell no one where you are. You have no rights according to them. You are sent to an El Salvadoran prison in contravention of a court order not to deport you.
These are all things that have happened separately. We’ve accidently deported Americans. We’ve deported Americans on purpose. (Trump sent American kids away so he could deport their parents too) We’ve deported someone to an El Salvadoran prison in contravention of a court order.
If they don’t have rights, then neither do you because the government can just declare you a member of that group and as long as the guys with guns maintain that fiction, nobody can stop them.
A reminder about your rights. If the government can declare you to have an attribute that negates your rights, then you have no rights.
Any time someone claims that some group of people should have no/reduced due process, I respond essentially the same way: “If you believe that $GROUP shouldn’t have due process then you are a $GROUP_MEMBER. Prove you’re not without any due process.” Before this year, it was mostly people accused of sexual assault, but illegal immigrants are the new target of choice as people who allegedly don’t deserve due process rights.
Even though being in the country undocumented is a civil offense, like speeding or something. Still, using language alone, they made this the one offense that makes a person be “illegal” — textbook dehumanization btw.
So it’s legally on par with speeding, factually less dangerous than speeding, but somehow it’s seen as the worst “crime” in the country, so bad that they argue it warrants suspending due process like you’re at war or something. Manufactured delusion.
they made this the one offense that makes a person be “illegal”
It doesn’t make the person be illegal, but we nounify crimes to describe people who have committed said crime all the time.
The whole point of the “undocumented worker” language is to make it sound like someone who misplaced some paperwork, rather than someone who violated immigration law.
I mean, no one gets mad when you use the more common terms to describe an undocumented procurement specialist, an adverse euthanasia specialist or an unauthorized sexual partner. Despite those terms describing the person as being their violation of law.
…PHP developer?
This is also why the attacks on identification documentation for transgender people should concern everyone. We used to consider ex post facto laws unconstitutional - even things like sex registry acts have been historically controversial because they were adding a punishment that had not been previously ordained.
I spent $5500 that I could not afford (as in, I ended up having to do sex work to pay for it) - to get my “irreversible and permanent” surgery that the state I lived in said would qualify to have my legal sex changed. Like, I would have preferred to wait until I was in a more financially stable situation or might not have even bothered because I didn’t even really need to bind to pass - but the drivers license with an “F” is a problem once you have a full beard.
I followed their rules, I played their games. And now they get to say, nope, doesn’t count anymore. That’s not how the law is supposed to work.
I’m so sorry, I don’t think we live in a country subject to rule of law anymore though.
I’ve gotten the excuse to read both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution itself, out loud, with teenagers several times recently. Jefferson was a hypocrite and fuckwit that made money off of the back of child labor and raped the women he owned, but those words do have meaning. Any government calling itself the US that does not heed those words is not legitimate.
Yeah legitimacy is a thing so many people don’t understand. And it’s why they want to cloak their actions on official language and procedure. We would riot if they just disappeared people. So they make it seem like they aren’t just doing that.
The problem is this is the same answer as the party in power and their cock-slurping media. Bits of paper don’t matter if their mandates aren’t enforced by anyone.
definition of a bad actor right there.
People like her argue in bad faith.
Shun and ostracize people like her.
Remove them from your civil social circles.
Only side eye!
why are we still pretending that an online argument is going to solve anything?
guns
Calling for insurrection without a plan will simply accelerate the slide into dictatorship. Until you have someone willing to stand up and lead those guns somewhere you’re just going to get steamrolled.
Based on your comment history, that’s probably what you’d like the best.
there is currently no army to lead.
when the people are ready, it will be easy to assign targets. we don’t even need a ‘leader’. think tanks can simply post viable targets and tactics as public information.
