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There are several fake text generators so I don’t trust any ‘screenshots’ with only one timestamp, especially one for 1am :/ why are you both up at the same time to exchange messages that fast
I can believe exchanges like this are happening, I’m just also fully aware that people like making up fake Everybody Clapped posts too, and this strongly looks like one of them
Sorry this doesn’t fit into your worldview gramgram but some people stay up past 8 without issues.
One of them works for a hospital the other works at 7eleven
it is depressing how much people in the US care about their little stack of chips over anything else.
When you don’t have a solid social safety net, 30+ years of indoctrination of “individualism good, family and friend support bad”, a medical system that is built for profit and generations of both subtle and obvious propaganda that the more money you have the better of a person you are, I can understand why people protect their small stack of chips.
It’s too late. Can’t trust him again.
If only there were signs before hand. 🙄
Well yeah all that terrible shit happened, but now it’s effecting ME!
The effect of the oligarch’s mishandling of our economy are affecting the performance of our retirement investments.
I personally have a hard time defining/explaining words, except through an example.
Appreciate it!
Affecting. (Sorry)
(not sorry)
*iffecting
if ffecting, proceed to nearest trash can. if not ffecting, proceed to terminal.
fecting
feckin’
Dammit, it was right in front of me the whole time.
I’m sticking with complify as the opposite of simplify though
Why you always gotta go and make things so complified…
There’s no way anyone could have predicted this
I had this exact conversation with my MIL just yesterday. She voted for him, and she hit me with “This is so unexpected”. I told her no, no it wasn’t, everyone who was paying attention saw this coming a mile away, nothing could be more predictable.
How did she respond?
She is an immigrant and not particularly well informed politically. I went on to explain the predictable cycle of Republican presidents leading to market crashes which the wealthy use to buy up assets for cheap, and indicated to Project 2025 which was published well in advance of the election. She seemed to respond as if I had given her valid information that she lacked before (which wasn’t really the case, we’d talked about this well before November). But she didn’t really have any pushback or response, she mostly seemed quiet and contemplative.
Nevermind the fact the he straight campaigned of levying tariffs on everyone, as well as crashing the economy to “correct” it. I’ve brought it up to a few trumpets over the weekend and they just keep saying how they thought he was joking to own the libs?!???
If I could strike any phrase from the human lexicon, it would be ”owning the libs” or any variation with similar meaning and/or intent.
Yeah we get it, you’re so petty that you don’t give a goddamned what happens to anyone (including yourselves), so long as you get to sit on your high horse laughing like Nelson from The Simpsons. Congrats. Now go away.
Well, I suppose that’s a good thing.
They will have forgotten all of this by next week, when the US is invading Greenland
He says it like it is, but I promise, you’re looking waaay too much into what he says !
Yeah, like maybe telling everybody he was going to do this if he were elected.
I hope this person and trans supportive conservatives start opposing slimy republican politicians.
Any trans-supportive person should also oppose Newsom…
Gavin Newsom? He does not need republican votes to win in a blue state.
Republicans: Useless, even when try try to do the right thing
Mama told you the stove was hot.
It’s worse… Mama told you the stove was hot… You grabbed it and lost one hand… Then you went and grabbed it again and with the other hand…
Not even toddlers are this stupid, Republicans legit have brain damage
The difference is that this affects his voters’ (the ones with any money) place in the hierarchy. If their retirement accounts zero out, they’re no different from the poor people they consider themselves above and made so many choices to separate themselves from. If they introspect a little bit, they might even say “then what have I been working so hard all this time for?”
The dems become the rational alternative. These Trump voters can hold their nose and vote for a little less brutality on the trans folks and a little more DEI lip service as long as they stabilize the market.
Meanwhile ofc the dems are likely to keep 80% of the immigrant deportation policies, tax cuts for the rich, etc.
Meanwhile ofc the dems are likely to keep 80% of the immigrant deportation policies, tax cuts for the rich, etc.
Listen, 80% of fascism is still better than 100% of fascism so we have to vote for Congressman Lil’ Hitler 2. You leftists can’t just get everything you want. Sometimes you have to triangulate between the guy with the Sea-Do business owner with six sexual harassment complaints, the seventh generation plantation heiress trying to dodge any kind of inheritance taxes, and the Groyper with the confederate flag face tattoo. You don’t have room to flirt with Starbucks unionized workers or migrant farm labor or college professionals with enormous student debts or black church parishes, because they were automatically going to vote for you anyway.
The dems become the rational alternative.
What could possibly be more rational than this?
Vote for Dick Cheney’s Daughter’s Best Friend or you aren’t serious about beating the Republican Party.
On one hand I’m happy he’s changed his opinion… On another how the fuck do you have two functioning brain cells and vote for this shit stain to begin with… 😡
Lmao they still think they can vote these racist parasites out of power.
The vote is a warning, not a request.
Voting for Newsom is a warning that fascism will continue. That trans and unhoused people will continue to be attacked.
I’m all in for Trump randomly deporting immigrant citizens, sending a mob at the capitol, breaking the lives of millions of the minorities and the poorest, being best friend with a pedophile, insulting our allies and threatening annexion of other coutries, but crashing The Market??? That’s not ok. He’s suppose to help ME make money by exploiting others, if I have to lose money it’s not fair!! ------- What a stupid broken evil country.
This is pretty much what I get from that. Not a shred of empathy.
Lack of empathy means an abundance of evil.
so many people literally either have no clue about what his actual policies are, are have been so indoctrinated by our shitty schooling that their view of the world is incredibly warped
That’s the conservative MO, in my experience. Don’t care until it personally affects them. That’s why they’ll beat their chests about the sanctity of marriage, but get divorced. Or talk about protecting life, until their mistress needs an abortion.
Even then, they don’t learn empathy. “Well my case is different” they say while on welfare
https://youtu.be/yTwpBLzxe4U - Craig T Nelson, ladies and gentlemen, formerly known as Coach.
The only moral abortion is my abortion.
I mean true but also even people who have a shred of empathy don’t always show it until they get a firsthand story. Partially human nature, but yes mostly dog shit moral philosophy giving them an excuse to not care about others.
Sure, but a mindset change has to start somewhere. A wild thought, but maybe they’ll invest time, if only a little, in the other side and slowly but surely realize how screwed up they used to think?
Some surely will. Let’s just hope enough people will follow.
He’s not just friends with a pedo, court docs confirm he himself is a pedo.
It is no issue tho. From spending enough time on americanized internet i have come to the conclusion that everyone in the U.S. is more or less secretly a pedophile.
You’re just now realizing people are selfish assholes? 2016 wasn’t proof enough somehow?
Yeah, this guy’s not redeemed. The last and worst thing a MAGAt can do is take of their fucking red hat and put on a blue one like nothing they did happened.
Fuck that. Carve “MAGA” into this douche’s forehead and then he can rejoin sane society.
So you want to alienate everyone who might be interested in changing the outcome of the next election? Why so much gatekeeping?
Because the problem isn’t gone. Their opinions haven’t changed, they are just finally seeing personal impact from them. These people are going to fall for the same stupid shit another Trumpalike touts in 2032. They need intensive reeducation, not to be welcomed and treated like nothing happened.
They need intensive reeducation
That’s not going to happen.
Maybe this gatekeeping is why Trump won in the first place. The right approach, IMO, is to meet people where they are and convince them to join your side based on policies they support.
Harris should have been railing against tariffs, throwing Biden under the bus because he, too, continued and expanded tariffs. She should have explained the consequences for tariffs and why free trade is good for everyone. Conservatives like the idea of fewer restrictions, so appeal to that.
But no, she muttered something about “price gouging” with no real plan to fix it. She said she’d largely keep doing what Biden did, when people obviously wanted change. She didn’t even try to meet those concerns, her campaign was basically, “I’m not Trump,” which almost worked until she made it clear that she’s basically just Biden 2.0, but from a different demographic.
Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good. Court people based on common ground instead of purity tests.
Am I allowed to upvote all of you?
Nope, but I do accept fun memes, dealer’s choice.
She had a plan to fix the price gouging though. Fucking hell, I agree with the rest of your post but seeing people continue to lie about her campaign is so frustrating
Sort of? But “price gouging” isn’t the issue at all, the issue is inflation and lack of supply. If you limit how a company can charge for an in-demand product (say, eggs), there’s much less incentive to find more supply (say, imports from another country). It’s nonsensical.
But I don’t think that’s why she lost. I think she lost because she said in an interview that, given hindsight, she wouldn’t change anything if she were in power instead of Biden. That’s a giant slap in the face to the average voter who saw a ton of problems during his administration and want to see something change to address those problems.
It often takes a personal crisis to get people to doubt the cult/white supremacist group/multilevel marketing scheme they’ve been a part of for a long time
“This shit is affecting me, ME!! He crossed a line I can’t follow him out”
“Numerous impeachments? That’s fine.
Convicted of numerous felonies? No that’s fine, lol.
Adjudicated rapist? That’s fine as well, she was probably asking for it, women amirite!!.
Six bankruptcies and multiple failed businesses, you say? Yeah that’s also fine because it was the other people and not him.
Proven record of scams, even on charities? No, that’s just good business.”
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“Wait, he’s messing with my money now? This is intolerable, this is disgusting. How unfair, oh woe is me!!!”to be fair i think this is pretty par for the course for people in general. not caring until things affect you directly.
Aren’t Americans responsible for their own retirement fund via various investment portfolios? Seeing your retirement money or college fund for your kids disappearing is bound to ruffle some feathers.
Yes, to an extent, though most don’t actually take that responsibility seriously.
We have Social Security, which will provide some amount of retirement based on how much you’ve put in, and it gives more weight to the first contributions (i.e. poorer people) than last contributions (i.e. wealthier people). Basically, it works like this (link w/ more details if you care:
- 90% of the first 1.2k/month taxable earnings
- 32% of the next ~$6k/month taxable earnings
- 15% of everything up to the cap
That’s not the amount of the benefit, but the amount of income considered for your benefit, and only for your top 35 years of earnings. This gets run through a calculation that determines your Social Security benefits. People who put in more get more, but people who put in less get a higher ratio of the amount they put in. It gets further complicated by marital status and whatnot.
The maximum Social Security benefit for someone starting taking it at 67 is $3,822/month, and the maximum for someone at 70 is $4,873 (data current for 2024). Your average retiree is probably seeing something closer to $2k/month though.
In other words, Social Security does exist, but you’ll want some of your own retirement savings as well for a more comfortable retirement.
Ofc Musk is trying to destroy social security as we speak
Maybe? This is the data I see so far (here’s a related NBC article if you don’t trust Newsweek). If the Trump admin pisses off old people, they’re going to be screwed in the midterms. It seems the main change will be to service, not benefits (so longer call wait times, slower website updates, etc). SS was given a 2.5% COLA update this year, so AFAICT benefits aren’t being cut at all.
From the NBC article:
According to a May report from the Office of the Inspector General, people were already experiencing prolonged wait times working with the SSA. The report noted that in-office appointments could be completely booked up for more than 40 days in the future and that it could take months for promised services to be delivered. The report said 65% of Social Security beneficiaries were unaware that there were online services for the agency.
That seems to be the main impact, not actual benefits.
Process counts as much as benefits. Difficulty making payments is a form of sabotage. Even delaying payments counts as a cut because some ppl will die before having received a payment they would have.
Why else would Musk be messing with SSA? “Efficiency” ? Why not take him at his word? A couple choice quotes from that article:
- “Most of the federal spending is entitlements,” Musk told the Fox Business Network. “That’s the big one to eliminate.”
- "Musk said Monday that federal entitlements are “a mechanism by which the Democrats attract and retain illegal immigrants by essentially paying them to come here and then turning them into voters.”
Difficulty making payments is a form of sabotage
I didn’t see anything related to making payments, only customer support. So signing up for benefits, changing deposit accounts, etc. Those things can largely be resolved through the SSA’s self-service portal, so there’s a good chance states and charities will step up to fill in the gap.
But it’s still not clear what exactly the changes are. They claim to be targeting “fraud and waste,” but I haven’t seen a breakdown of the tangible changes other than “some offices were closed.” I generally don’t take Musk at his word, and haven’t for years (or even ever), so I’m looking for some credible journalism to go over it in detail. If it was a serious issue, we’d see a ton of highly credible news agencies making a big deal out of it. Given that we don’t, either the investigation is on-going (this was pretty recent) or it’s not an issue.
So I guess we’ll have to wait and see what the impact is. So far, it doesn’t seem like there have been any major impacts yet, other than some more wait times for getting an in-person appointment (which isn’t necessary at all to sign up for benefits).
“Most of the federal spending is entitlements,” Musk told the Fox Business Network. “That’s the big one to eliminate.”
Right, and that requires legislative action which Trump has repeatedly said he’s not going to consider, because that’s political suicide.
"Musk said Monday that federal entitlements are “a mechanism by which the Democrats attract and retain illegal immigrants by essentially paying them to come here and then turning them into voters.”
That’s not how any of this works, and Musk knows it. To get SS, you need to have a Social Security number, which you can’t get on many legal visas, not to mention entering illegally. You also need proof of 40 quarters of paying into Social Security, meaning you need to have legally paid taxes for 10 years (non-consecutively). Voting is also constitutionally limited to citizens, not even permanent residents, so there’s absolutely no basis for that either.
In short, 100% of that statement is wrong. The best explanation for him making it is to justify additional ID checks on the Social Security system, which is honestly probably a good thing due to how much Social Security numbers get abused. So it might end up being a net positive long term, though it’ll cause some issues in the short term as people navigate any changes that get made (esp. poor and tech illiterate people who may not have the resources to navigate it).
I want to make it extremely clear that I’m not a fan of Trump, Musk, or DOGE, I just happen to like some of the side-effects of broken clocks being right twice/day (these changes should mostly go through Congressional approval, not EO).
The quotes are not there for their accuracy, but to illustrate Musk’s outlook and intentions. He sees all entitlements as a bad thing per se and will break whatever norms and rules he can get away with to get rid of them, citing great replacement lies as a justification to the far right and citing “efficiency” as a sop to the less-far-right. Whether he can get away with it remains to be seen, but my original comment was an off-the-cuff “Musk is trying to destroy social security”, not a detailed argument about what has happened so far. I think, given the experience of so many other government agencies with Musk and DOGE, that this is a fair statement for casual posting.
First world countries in a nutshell
Yes…
But what this shows is that even for those who want an evil system that benefits them, this administration is a disaster. There’s literally nothing good about it, even for greedy, evil capitalists.
This country and a lot of the world has a me first mentality. A lot of people can look past some really fucked up shit if it’s not directly causing them harm.
Yes, but it still doesn’t explain why they vote GOP. Dems have an economic record of faster growth, lower unemployment, better stock market performance etc, and still they vote GOP.
From a non-us perspective, I would tend to call it the Fox Effect. Capitalist brainwashing of the under-educated, who lack the basic capacities of intellectual self-defense. When you control all the media you can make people believe that a black president asking for dijon mustard on a burger is a big deal, while a rich white president being a convicted rapist and best friend with the most notorious pedophile of the past 50 years is anecdotal, or fake, or a witch hunt, or “look, the woke are transitioning your kids”. Americans have been brainwashed to believe they the strongest, toughest, smartest people and that it’s practically in their genetic so they dont need to educate themselves. Hopefuly to good thing of pedo-don being president is that it will lead to the downfall of the US.
Dems have an economic record of faster growth, lower unemployment, better stock market performance etc
You think their media tells them that?
Looking at the front page of Fox News, those people don’t care. They just want to be fed lies and told losing money is good for the country.
Thank you for your service.
Seriously, I always want to know what the other side is saying but I hate to give those sites any traffic
It’s one of the few sources that I’ve blocked on my google news feed. I just can’t, even just reading the headlines would just ruin my day.
I don’t actually give fox news traffic. I just follow this bot on mastodon.
Wow seeing the headlines all in a grid like that is upsetting. Really highlights the way that different sources drip feed similar stories, or even omit them.
It really is eye opening. Major news events are just not being covered, at all, by the right.
Any way to follow them from lemmy?
Mbin allows following both Lemmy and Mastodon with one account. And there’s now an app for it, Interstellar.
It’s a weird world we live in now, because we have no way to prove they aren’t all Russian bots when you see a wall of support for all the worst things happening. They’re always so hateful too, it’s never about fiscal anything, it’s always about who we’re “getting” this time.
But also, fuck these people. Didn’t matter that innocent citizens with no charges are getting back bagged and tossed in cells. Didn’t matter families were getting ripped apart and deported. Didn’t matter that the bigotry against trans people has ramped up to being codified in confessional fucking rules levels. No it took an economic nightmare scenario personally affecting the livelihoods of these people for them to wake up AT ALL. Like fine, welcome to the fucking real world. You’re still a piece of shit in my eyes now start making better fucking choices, moron.
Well most of that stuff was happening under genocide joe too. And kamalacaust promised to continue. Didn’t matter to the libs. They attack people for pointing this out.
100%. The world has just done nothing but coddle these morons and their feelings for so long it’s about time we start telling them that they’re not getting a gold star for doing the bare minimum after the damage has already been done.
Good God I hate conservatives. The most selfish people on the face of the Earth. They literally care about nothing until it affects them.
Republicans and Democrats in the 2026 and 2028 elections:
Republican: Never thought I’d die voting side by side with a lib-tard.
Democrat: What about side by side with a comrade?
The democrat needs to be translated to: “What about side by side with a capitalist pig?”
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