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The people have the memory of a goldfish when voting day rolls around
cRaZy He Is DoInG wHaT hE sAiD he’d Do
I mean yeah, on one hand wtf did he expect? Of course Trump was going to do stupid shit. The man is incredibly stupid.
On the other hand, Trump is also very cruel and this is incredibly important. It’s not funny.
Every Republican that turns against him makes the insane ideas a little less likely to go through. Less likely to try for a 3rd term, less likely to commit fully to the El Salvador concentration camp ambitions, less likely to disappear as many American citizens without trial, less likely to do a bunch of truly horribly gruesome and catastrophic shit.
You won’t win by mocking them for joining you. You’re being more stupid than you can afford to be in these circumstances.
You are right, mocking someone for being wrong isn’t going to make them turn sides. As shitty as they might be right now, you need to treat his voters as children who misbehave. Mocking and punishing is not the way. The problem is internet and social networks don’t function that way, they favor divide, people like mocking 47 as muck as the other side likes to glorify him.
you need to treat his voters as children who misbehave.
Oh dear, you’ve learnt nothing either.
Educate me, please.
Not OP but I’d wager he will say that you shouldn’t treat them like kids, that’s already looking down on them. Just because they got duped repeatedly doesn’t mean we shouldn’t lose our ability to empathize. They just started their introspective, assist it as much as you can and you can make them go from conservative to progressive even. The movement needs all the pebbles it can get.
I guess my thoughts got lost in translation since I’m not a native speaker, that’s what i was thinking too. Btw, i don’t look kids from above, i see them as overly emotional, easily distracted, can’t take care of themselves, but always full of potential.
Yeah. There’s also the fact that they can read our fucking comments and know exactly what we think of them. If we think we’re belittling them privately and manipulating them elegantly; We aren’t.
I’ll also say this: Trump vs. Kamala should’ve been an easy win for Kamala. Y’all fucked up.
It’s too late. Can’t trust him again.
If only there were signs before hand. 🙄
He says it like it is, but I promise, you’re looking waaay too much into what he says !
Well yeah all that terrible shit happened, but now it’s effecting ME!
The effect of the oligarch’s mishandling of our economy are affecting the performance of our retirement investments.
I personally have a hard time defining/explaining words, except through an example.
Appreciate it!
Affecting. (Sorry)
*iffecting
if ffecting, proceed to nearest trash can. if not ffecting, proceed to terminal.
fecting
Dammit, it was right in front of me the whole time.
I’m sticking with complify as the opposite of simplify though
Why you always gotta go and make things so complified…
feckin’
(not sorry)
There’s no way anyone could have predicted this
I had this exact conversation with my MIL just yesterday. She voted for him, and she hit me with “This is so unexpected”. I told her no, no it wasn’t, everyone who was paying attention saw this coming a mile away, nothing could be more predictable.
How did she respond?
She is an immigrant and not particularly well informed politically. I went on to explain the predictable cycle of Republican presidents leading to market crashes which the wealthy use to buy up assets for cheap, and indicated to Project 2025 which was published well in advance of the election. She seemed to respond as if I had given her valid information that she lacked before (which wasn’t really the case, we’d talked about this well before November). But she didn’t really have any pushback or response, she mostly seemed quiet and contemplative.
Nevermind the fact the he straight campaigned of levying tariffs on everyone, as well as crashing the economy to “correct” it. I’ve brought it up to a few trumpets over the weekend and they just keep saying how they thought he was joking to own the libs?!???
If I could strike any phrase from the human lexicon, it would be ”owning the libs” or any variation with similar meaning and/or intent.
Yeah we get it, you’re so petty that you don’t give a goddamned what happens to anyone (including yourselves), so long as you get to sit on your high horse laughing like Nelson from The Simpsons. Congrats. Now go away.
Well, I suppose that’s a good thing.
They will have forgotten all of this by next week, when the US is invading Greenland
Yeah, like maybe telling everybody he was going to do this if he were elected.
I really want to believe this.
But we have watched Donald Trump do so much stupid, evil shit in real time and we still ended up here.
There is only a small minority of people voted for Trump because of prices. They did it because they hate that the world is not constructed for them to be on top. They hate that there are three transgender high school athletes in the state. They hate that Harriet Tubman is on the twenty dollar bill. They hate that the Brown MnM is less sexy. They hate that they couldn’t get a date in high school. I do not trust self-interest will prevail over blind, stupid hate after we have witnessed it not for so long.
If seeing people deported to extraterritorial prisons without due process, the only evidence of their crime being Donald Trump says so, is not enough to get these people on side, but their retirement portfolio getting fucked with is, I have no faith in them.
Bunch of people around here are out-right admitting they didn’t really pay any attention to what anyone running was saying. They heard trump say he would bring down prices/kick out immigrants/guns/no abortion/whatever single issue, and just checked the box. The manufacturing workers here are especially loud about how they feel deceived because they didn’t listen to anything he actually said, or just didn’t know what tariffs are, like at all.
Will any of them vote otherwise next time? I guess we will see. Bunch of them are honestly holding to the “short term pain, long term greatness” cope.
What you’re missing is that the majority of his supporters don’t even know about the bad things because their news bubble hides it from them or they don’t care because it doesn’t affect them directly.
My mom and uncle never, ever hear anything he does framed negatively.
They spin it all day, every day.
My uncle has at least been trying to vary where he gets his news, but Facebook makes sure to enrage him with something about condoms for Gaza or some equally stupid shit.
Maybe you should get him subscribed to that Mastadon News Front Page account
Unfortunately, he gets his news from television. It was exclusively Fox, but he’s been moving around a little bit.
All of the “news” is like this with the genocide of palestinians.
I’m all in for Trump randomly deporting immigrant citizens, sending a mob at the capitol, breaking the lives of millions of the minorities and the poorest, being best friend with a pedophile, insulting our allies and threatening annexion of other coutries, but crashing The Market??? That’s not ok. He’s suppose to help ME make money by exploiting others, if I have to lose money it’s not fair!! ------- What a stupid broken evil country.
Yes, but it still doesn’t explain why they vote GOP. Dems have an economic record of faster growth, lower unemployment, better stock market performance etc, and still they vote GOP.
Dems have an economic record of faster growth, lower unemployment, better stock market performance etc
You think their media tells them that?
From a non-us perspective, I would tend to call it the Fox Effect. Capitalist brainwashing of the under-educated, who lack the basic capacities of intellectual self-defense. When you control all the media you can make people believe that a black president asking for dijon mustard on a burger is a big deal, while a rich white president being a convicted rapist and best friend with the most notorious pedophile of the past 50 years is anecdotal, or fake, or a witch hunt, or “look, the woke are transitioning your kids”. Americans have been brainwashed to believe they the strongest, toughest, smartest people and that it’s practically in their genetic so they dont need to educate themselves. Hopefuly to good thing of pedo-don being president is that it will lead to the downfall of the US.
Aren’t Americans responsible for their own retirement fund via various investment portfolios? Seeing your retirement money or college fund for your kids disappearing is bound to ruffle some feathers.
Yes, to an extent, though most don’t actually take that responsibility seriously.
We have Social Security, which will provide some amount of retirement based on how much you’ve put in, and it gives more weight to the first contributions (i.e. poorer people) than last contributions (i.e. wealthier people). Basically, it works like this (link w/ more details if you care:
- 90% of the first 1.2k/month taxable earnings
- 32% of the next ~$6k/month taxable earnings
- 15% of everything up to the cap
That’s not the amount of the benefit, but the amount of income considered for your benefit, and only for your top 35 years of earnings. This gets run through a calculation that determines your Social Security benefits. People who put in more get more, but people who put in less get a higher ratio of the amount they put in. It gets further complicated by marital status and whatnot.
The maximum Social Security benefit for someone starting taking it at 67 is $3,822/month, and the maximum for someone at 70 is $4,873 (data current for 2024). Your average retiree is probably seeing something closer to $2k/month though.
In other words, Social Security does exist, but you’ll want some of your own retirement savings as well for a more comfortable retirement.
Ofc Musk is trying to destroy social security as we speak
Maybe? This is the data I see so far (here’s a related NBC article if you don’t trust Newsweek). If the Trump admin pisses off old people, they’re going to be screwed in the midterms. It seems the main change will be to service, not benefits (so longer call wait times, slower website updates, etc). SS was given a 2.5% COLA update this year, so AFAICT benefits aren’t being cut at all.
From the NBC article:
According to a May report from the Office of the Inspector General, people were already experiencing prolonged wait times working with the SSA. The report noted that in-office appointments could be completely booked up for more than 40 days in the future and that it could take months for promised services to be delivered. The report said 65% of Social Security beneficiaries were unaware that there were online services for the agency.
That seems to be the main impact, not actual benefits.
Process counts as much as benefits. Difficulty making payments is a form of sabotage. Even delaying payments counts as a cut because some ppl will die before having received a payment they would have.
Why else would Musk be messing with SSA? “Efficiency” ? Why not take him at his word? A couple choice quotes from that article:
- “Most of the federal spending is entitlements,” Musk told the Fox Business Network. “That’s the big one to eliminate.”
- "Musk said Monday that federal entitlements are “a mechanism by which the Democrats attract and retain illegal immigrants by essentially paying them to come here and then turning them into voters.”
Difficulty making payments is a form of sabotage
I didn’t see anything related to making payments, only customer support. So signing up for benefits, changing deposit accounts, etc. Those things can largely be resolved through the SSA’s self-service portal, so there’s a good chance states and charities will step up to fill in the gap.
But it’s still not clear what exactly the changes are. They claim to be targeting “fraud and waste,” but I haven’t seen a breakdown of the tangible changes other than “some offices were closed.” I generally don’t take Musk at his word, and haven’t for years (or even ever), so I’m looking for some credible journalism to go over it in detail. If it was a serious issue, we’d see a ton of highly credible news agencies making a big deal out of it. Given that we don’t, either the investigation is on-going (this was pretty recent) or it’s not an issue.
So I guess we’ll have to wait and see what the impact is. So far, it doesn’t seem like there have been any major impacts yet, other than some more wait times for getting an in-person appointment (which isn’t necessary at all to sign up for benefits).
“Most of the federal spending is entitlements,” Musk told the Fox Business Network. “That’s the big one to eliminate.”
Right, and that requires legislative action which Trump has repeatedly said he’s not going to consider, because that’s political suicide.
"Musk said Monday that federal entitlements are “a mechanism by which the Democrats attract and retain illegal immigrants by essentially paying them to come here and then turning them into voters.”
That’s not how any of this works, and Musk knows it. To get SS, you need to have a Social Security number, which you can’t get on many legal visas, not to mention entering illegally. You also need proof of 40 quarters of paying into Social Security, meaning you need to have legally paid taxes for 10 years (non-consecutively). Voting is also constitutionally limited to citizens, not even permanent residents, so there’s absolutely no basis for that either.
In short, 100% of that statement is wrong. The best explanation for him making it is to justify additional ID checks on the Social Security system, which is honestly probably a good thing due to how much Social Security numbers get abused. So it might end up being a net positive long term, though it’ll cause some issues in the short term as people navigate any changes that get made (esp. poor and tech illiterate people who may not have the resources to navigate it).
I want to make it extremely clear that I’m not a fan of Trump, Musk, or DOGE, I just happen to like some of the side-effects of broken clocks being right twice/day (these changes should mostly go through Congressional approval, not EO).
The quotes are not there for their accuracy, but to illustrate Musk’s outlook and intentions. He sees all entitlements as a bad thing per se and will break whatever norms and rules he can get away with to get rid of them, citing great replacement lies as a justification to the far right and citing “efficiency” as a sop to the less-far-right. Whether he can get away with it remains to be seen, but my original comment was an off-the-cuff “Musk is trying to destroy social security”, not a detailed argument about what has happened so far. I think, given the experience of so many other government agencies with Musk and DOGE, that this is a fair statement for casual posting.
First world countries in a nutshell
He’s not just friends with a pedo, court docs confirm he himself is a pedo.
It is no issue tho. From spending enough time on americanized internet i have come to the conclusion that everyone in the U.S. is more or less secretly a pedophile.
This country and a lot of the world has a me first mentality. A lot of people can look past some really fucked up shit if it’s not directly causing them harm.
This is pretty much what I get from that. Not a shred of empathy.
Lack of empathy means an abundance of evil.
so many people literally either have no clue about what his actual policies are, are have been so indoctrinated by our shitty schooling that their view of the world is incredibly warped
I mean true but also even people who have a shred of empathy don’t always show it until they get a firsthand story. Partially human nature, but yes mostly dog shit moral philosophy giving them an excuse to not care about others.
Sure, but a mindset change has to start somewhere. A wild thought, but maybe they’ll invest time, if only a little, in the other side and slowly but surely realize how screwed up they used to think?
Some surely will. Let’s just hope enough people will follow.
That’s the conservative MO, in my experience. Don’t care until it personally affects them. That’s why they’ll beat their chests about the sanctity of marriage, but get divorced. Or talk about protecting life, until their mistress needs an abortion.
Even then, they don’t learn empathy. “Well my case is different” they say while on welfare
https://youtu.be/yTwpBLzxe4U - Craig T Nelson, ladies and gentlemen, formerly known as Coach.
The only moral abortion is my abortion.
Yes…
But what this shows is that even for those who want an evil system that benefits them, this administration is a disaster. There’s literally nothing good about it, even for greedy, evil capitalists.
You’re just now realizing people are selfish assholes? 2016 wasn’t proof enough somehow?
Yeah, this guy’s not redeemed. The last and worst thing a MAGAt can do is take of their fucking red hat and put on a blue one like nothing they did happened.
Fuck that. Carve “MAGA” into this douche’s forehead and then he can rejoin sane society.
So you want to alienate everyone who might be interested in changing the outcome of the next election? Why so much gatekeeping?
Because the problem isn’t gone. Their opinions haven’t changed, they are just finally seeing personal impact from them. These people are going to fall for the same stupid shit another Trumpalike touts in 2032. They need intensive reeducation, not to be welcomed and treated like nothing happened.
It often takes a personal crisis to get people to doubt the cult/white supremacist group/multilevel marketing scheme they’ve been a part of for a long time
They need intensive reeducation
That’s not going to happen.
Maybe this gatekeeping is why Trump won in the first place. The right approach, IMO, is to meet people where they are and convince them to join your side based on policies they support.
Harris should have been railing against tariffs, throwing Biden under the bus because he, too, continued and expanded tariffs. She should have explained the consequences for tariffs and why free trade is good for everyone. Conservatives like the idea of fewer restrictions, so appeal to that.
But no, she muttered something about “price gouging” with no real plan to fix it. She said she’d largely keep doing what Biden did, when people obviously wanted change. She didn’t even try to meet those concerns, her campaign was basically, “I’m not Trump,” which almost worked until she made it clear that she’s basically just Biden 2.0, but from a different demographic.
Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good. Court people based on common ground instead of purity tests.
Am I allowed to upvote all of you?
Nope, but I do accept fun memes, dealer’s choice.
She had a plan to fix the price gouging though. Fucking hell, I agree with the rest of your post but seeing people continue to lie about her campaign is so frustrating
Sort of? But “price gouging” isn’t the issue at all, the issue is inflation and lack of supply. If you limit how a company can charge for an in-demand product (say, eggs), there’s much less incentive to find more supply (say, imports from another country). It’s nonsensical.
But I don’t think that’s why she lost. I think she lost because she said in an interview that, given hindsight, she wouldn’t change anything if she were in power instead of Biden. That’s a giant slap in the face to the average voter who saw a ton of problems during his administration and want to see something change to address those problems.
“This shit is affecting me, ME!! He crossed a line I can’t follow him out”
“Numerous impeachments? That’s fine.
Convicted of numerous felonies? No that’s fine, lol.
Adjudicated rapist? That’s fine as well, she was probably asking for it, women amirite!!.
Six bankruptcies and multiple failed businesses, you say? Yeah that’s also fine because it was the other people and not him.
Proven record of scams, even on charities? No, that’s just good business.”
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“Wait, he’s messing with my money now? This is intolerable, this is disgusting. How unfair, oh woe is me!!!”to be fair i think this is pretty par for the course for people in general. not caring until things affect you directly.
Looking at the front page of Fox News, those people don’t care. They just want to be fed lies and told losing money is good for the country.
Thank you for your service.
Seriously, I always want to know what the other side is saying but I hate to give those sites any traffic
It’s one of the few sources that I’ve blocked on my google news feed. I just can’t, even just reading the headlines would just ruin my day.
I don’t actually give fox news traffic. I just follow this bot on mastodon.
Wow seeing the headlines all in a grid like that is upsetting. Really highlights the way that different sources drip feed similar stories, or even omit them.
It really is eye opening. Major news events are just not being covered, at all, by the right.
Any way to follow them from lemmy?
Mbin allows following both Lemmy and Mastodon with one account. And there’s now an app for it, Interstellar.
It’s a weird world we live in now, because we have no way to prove they aren’t all Russian bots when you see a wall of support for all the worst things happening. They’re always so hateful too, it’s never about fiscal anything, it’s always about who we’re “getting” this time.
Good God I hate conservatives. The most selfish people on the face of the Earth. They literally care about nothing until it affects them.
Republicans and Democrats in the 2026 and 2028 elections:
Republican: Never thought I’d die voting side by side with a lib-tard.
Democrat: What about side by side with a comrade?
The democrat needs to be translated to: “What about side by side with a capitalist pig?”
aw
What drives me insane about these “I can’t trust Trump anymore” assholes of today is how much they didn’t give a shit about all the racist, vile, destructive things Trump did in his first term.
This wasn’t a light switch. They just been living with their eyes closed this whole time and now they’re complaining.
Exactly. It’s insane that, these morons somehow always forget that it’s already Trump’s second term - and even in his first he was a terrible president who only enriched himself and his billionaire patrons. And his criminal history … it boggles my mind why these people don’t want to understand that there could hardly be a more unsuitable person for the presidency.
It’s all bullshit
He lost people a bunch of money last time too, and later it was rationalized. People are pissed now, but they were already trump voters. Critical thinking was never their strong suit.
So who knows what they’ll be thinking the next time they vote.
It’s why we need to give people something to vote for, not just hope they vote against trump.
Yep. Also they watched how he handled COVID and had no issues with it. Like he was screaming every day then “never fucking trust me again!” And none of them listened
We’ll see in 2028. Until then, they voted for this. They got exactly what was advertised. I’m happy they’re fucked, along with all the centrists and moderates. I hope you all lose every. Single. Penny.
Yet for some reason they will never lose enough support to be ousted.
We all know what it’s going to take to remove them.
Yea, time, about 4 more years of it.
Do you really think they will give up power in 4 years? Trump told us we would never have to vote again. He is talking about a 3rd term and deporting American citizens.
