Democratic leadership is a joke. Jefferies and Schumer need to step down. This is pathetic.
216 conservatives voted for for this. But you’re going to blame this on democratic leadership.
This is how propaganda is so effective folks!
How is your party better than the other if you don’t hold it to a higher standard?
I do. And that’s why only four of them voted in favor as opposed to 216.
I don’t blame the four, I blame the 216 as anyone in their right mind would. So…. Why aren’t you?
I don’t blame the four, I blame the 216 as anyone in their right mind would.
Why aren’t you blaming everyone who voted for the bill? Why are you excluding the 4 dems from blame?
That seems like bs partisan hackery
I don’t squarely blame the four. I didn’t think it needed to be said but I guess this is lemmy, and apparently it needs to be explained.
If 216 people do a thing, and then 4 more people do a thing. It’s safe to say the fault of the result of the thing is squarely on the 216 people.
Especially when they were the ones to create the thing to begin with.
I don’t think I can simplify this further.
Please simplify it more for me you are clearly so much smarter than all the rest of us. How lost we would be without you defending the Democratic party so valiantly.
More simplified? Okay.
A thing was made that hurt people.
216 grown-ups in one group are in favor of it and want it to exist. Among those 216 grown-ups are the people that made it the thing that hurt people.
4 grown-ups of another group are also in favor of it.
That you are mad at the 4 grown-ups and not even bothering to mention the 216 grown-ups that created/are in favor of it, shows that you have fallen for the distraction they would want you to pay attention to.
If it helps, you can picture being on a playground and there are 216 bullies attacking all the girls.
Now imagine four kids that aren’t usually seen as bullies join in.
What you’re doing is being angry at the four kids that aren’t usually bullies and blaming them for the hurt the girls had to endure while excusing the 216 kids for their behavior.
Stop doing this.
How can I explain this to you? If those few “Democrats” hadn’t voted for it, it wouldn’t have passed.
The SAVE Act passed 220–208, with Democrats Jared Golden, Marie Gluesenkamp Perez, Henry Cuellar, and Ed Case voting in support of a bill that could disenfranchise millions of voters.
People don’t expect anything different from the Republicans, but for some reason folks have higher expectations of the Democrats, despite decades of soul crushing disappointment.
How can I explain this to you?
…And if any of the 216 conservatives hadn’t, it would have passed either. Or what about-
If it hadn’t been drafted at all, it would lot have passed.
As long as you’re blaming the fire, you’ll never see who lit the match. But I suppose that first matter anymore, so…. Go on. Have fun lynching the few while the many continue doing whatever the fuck they want.
Neither the four nor the 216 betrayed you.
I didn’t think I’d have to spell it out for you but here we are.
I’m not blaming the Democratic leadership on this bill passing. The Republicans have the majority, it’s to be expected that their agenda gets passed. What I’m blaming the Democratic leadership for is being consistently incapable of unifying their party in steadfast opposition to the fascist and authoritarian agenda they spent the entirety of the last election cycle insisting would destroy our country as we know it.
That’s not to say I don’t hold any blame on the Republicans. But what use is expecting better from people who’ve already sold their souls to an authoritarian demagogue?
Maybe we should start excepting better from republicans instead of always giving them an “oh well, evil will do evil” pass.
Because as long as we’re busy fighting over how bad the four democrats are who voted for this disaster- the more those 216 republicans are laughing in their $6,000 Tom Ford suits while queuing up their next act of oppression.
You’re making a lot of assumptions seemingly in defence of people who “align” themselves with Democratic ideals while capitulating to and enabling an authoritarian and fascist agenda.
I never said Republicans should get a free pass. As far as I’m concerned, they’re beyond the point of redemption and should never be trusted with power again. They’ve shown that they don’t operate in good faith and won’t hesitate to sell out the integrity of their values in service to their own personal gain. I can’t expect better of them because they’re too far gone and there’s no amount of moral principal I see left within them. I can count on them to do only one thing and that is to do whatever it takes to accumulate power and control for themselves, no matter who or how many people get hurt along the way.
The Democratic party likes to present themselves as maintaining integrity and ethics in politics and they clutch their pearls when Republicans further erode our democracy and rights. But every time a Democrat is allowed to cross the aisle to enable authoritarianism without public reprimand from party leaders, it shatters that illusion for the entire party and shows there’s room in it for anti-Democratic ideals.
Again… no one is ever “beyond the point of redemption” while they are still actively hurting people. My god… this should be a non-starter! Because anyone should know- hand-waiving things away as “too far gone” just excuses them to continue their abuse.
Meanwhile, everyone holds FOUR people’s feet to the fire over what was ENTIRELY the fault of conservatives…. because you expect better from them?
Do you see what this is?
This is allowing two hundred and sixteen rapists to continue to rape because they’re rapists and that’s what rapists do, but because a few guy who never raped anyone before, decided to- they’re crucified and burned at the stake?
Shouldn’t they ALL be responsible? Blamed? Punished?
EVERYONE should be accountable for this and NO ONE should get a pass because it’s expected.
I’m not sure why you seem to think that singling out and criticizing the Democrats who betray their party’s ideals as well as the party leadership for letting them diminish the party’s integrity means I can’t also hold members of the Republican party accountable for their actions. Acknowledging that the Republican agenda is to accumulate political power by eroding your rights is not the same as giving them the liberty to do so.
Maybe it has to do with your comment singling out only the democrats that voted for this with zero mention of those that carried more of the water and created the damn thing to begin with?
Is the general IQ on Lemmy dropping that rapidly? I’ve seen your name before but can’t remember the context so I’m going to assume this is in good faith.
Leadership positions…wait for it… lead and address the members of their party and their actions. You know, like the republicans currently have on lock and shit on anyone that steps out of bounds. These individuals should most definitely be called the fuck out
“I voted for the SAVE Act for the simple reason that American elections are for Americans. Requiring proof of citizenship to register to vote is common sense,”
Some claim that requiring proof of citizenship is too onerous a burden, or that it will “disenfranchise” those whose names have changed for reasons like marriage. The truth is the SAVE Act ensures name changes will not prevent anyone from registering to vote.
But most importantly, it requires state leaders to establish protocols to allow citizens to register even if there are discrepancies in documents, such as name changes.
State’s Rights… The “real” truth is… Common Sense, if that isn’t the fucking republican playbook I don’t know what is. Best part is the end,
Maine’s voting culture is the best in the nation. I am confident that under the SAVE Act, our state can both ensure that only citizens can cast ballots and that no one faces unnecessary barriers to registering to vote.
fuck you, we got ours. No protections for those outside of his state, he doesn’t fucking care lol. Every single one of these fuckers needs primaried and taken out of office. The actual fucking DNC shutting down funding and kicking these losers from the party would be a miracle we all need but won’t happen.
Again, 216 conservatives voted for a thing along with 4 democrats, and we’re all up in arms about the democrats.
The conservatives can simply just do whatever the fuck they want knowing that the democrats will take the blame for it.
This is the new America.
Did you not read the article?
This is the second time Republicans have tried to codify the bill, which passed in the House last year but failed in the Senate.
it’s long been an obsession of the GOP, which frames the practice as an existential threat to democracy.
Did you not look into the site that published the article?
The New Republic was founded in 1914 to bring liberalism into the modern era… face challenges that belong entirely to this age, from the climate crisis to Republicans hell-bent on subverting democratic governance.
This site, This article, and These comments are not made as a critique on the republican party and were never intended to be.
Do you want a real example of “THiS Is ThE nEW AmErIcA!!”?
List of party switchers in the United States
2020–present
2020 – Jason Barrett, West Virginia state representative[136] 2020 – Kevin Horan, Mississippi state representative[137][138] 2021 – Mick Bates, West Virginia state delegate[139] 2021 – Ryan Guillen, Texas state representative[140] 2021 – John Jay Lee, mayor of North Las Vegas, Nevada[141] 2021 – Vernon Jones, former Georgia state representative[142] 2021 – Jon Ray Lancaster, Mississippi state representative[143] 2021 – Inna Vernikov, future New York City councilmember[144] 2022 – Elaine Beech, former Alabama state representative[145] 2022 – Alec Brook-Krasny, New York state assemblymember[146] 2022 – Glenn Jeffries, West Virginia state senator 2022 – Ari Kagan, New York City councilmember[147] 2023 – Dov Hikind, former New York state assemblymember[148] 2023 – Tricia Cotham, North Carolina state representative[149] 2023 – Eric Johnson, mayor of Dallas, Texas[150] 2023 – Jeremy LaCombe, Louisiana state representative[151] 2023 – Mesha Mainor, Georgia state representative[152] 2023 – Elliott Pritt, West Virginia state delegate[153] 2023 – Francis C. Thompson, Louisiana state representative[154] 2024 – Marie Alvarado-Gil, California state senator[155] 2024 – Todd Blanche, United States Deputy Attorney General (2025–present) 2024 – Matthew Coker, New Hampshire state representative[156] 2024 – Sherry Gould, New Hampshire state representative[157] 2024 – Mike McDonnell, Nebraska state senator 2024 – Gabriel Ramos, former New Mexico state senator, later re-elected New Mexico state senator[158] 2024 – John S. Rodgers, former Vermont state senator, later lieutenant governor of Vermont (2025–present)[159] 2024 – Gloria Romero, former California state senator[160] 2024 – Doug Skaff, former West Virginia state delegate 2024 – Shawn Thierry, Texas state representative[161] 2024 – Susan Valdes, Florida state representative[162] 2024 – Hillary Cassel, Florida state representative 2025 - Lindy Li, political commentator and campaign operative[163] 2025 - David Pascoe, South Carolina First Circuit Solicitor (2005-Present)[164]Republicans to Democrats (for comparison)
2020–present
2020 – Frank Aguilar, member of the Cook County board of commissioners. Previously an Illinois state representative[338] 2021 – Joy Hofmeister, Oklahoma Superintendent of Public Instruction (2015–2023) and 2022 Democratic gubernatorial nominee[339] 2021 – William Marsh, New Hampshire state representative[340] 2021 – Jennifer McCormick, former Indiana Superintendent of Public Instruction (2017–2021)[341] 2022 – Jim Leach, former U.S. representative from Iowa (1977–2007)[342] 2022 – Kevin Priola, Colorado state senator[343] 2023 – Michelle Henry, attorney general of Pennsylvania (2023–2025)[344] 2023 – Samuel D. Thompson, New Jersey state senator[345]Sure. Totally the democrats fault. I get that. It’s totally in the math!
216 conservative votes for? “We’re totally cool with that! Completely normal- and acceptable.”
4 democrat votes for? “REEEEEEEEEEEEEE!”
Makes complete sense to me!
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Ahh cool, you don’t have anything to actually say. Have a good one!
Cool indeed. Keep being distracted by the four shiny objects while the 216 dull ones keep talking away your rights.
Nothing to say indeed.
It’s always funny how you never see anyone from .ml putting the blame where it lies if a democrat is involved in the slightest.
Conservatives have destroyed America, but if democrats happened to exist while it happened?
“REEEEEEEEE! It’s the LiBtARD bLueMaGAs caused this!”
IT FUCKING PASSED?
We have long crossed the Rubicon.
It passed the house a few days ago, from my understanding it is less likely to pass the Senate
If this is likely to pass its not just the Republicans who are compromised.
Even if every Democrat in the house that day voted Nay it still would have passed by 3 votes
Why would anyone vote for this that isnt a bigot? The fact any did is vomit inducing. Its authoritarian trash through and through.
The fact that any did is vomit inducing, although I’ve never personally vomited out of stress, but this bill exists because of Republicans. It passed the vote because of Republicans. This is a Republican bill and we need to make sure people don’t try to spin this as some DNC failure when electing more DNC is the exact solution to this problem.
Idk, the DNC’s lessons from this seemed to be “move more rightward”
Thats why AOC is rolling with an independent right now.
Unless she gets real power in the party I dont care for them anymore. They dont want to harbor progressives.
The current DNC are more left than they’ve ever been, which has been more true every election.
Why wouldn’t it? GOP are 53 seats in the senate, this is their bill with unanimous support in the house.
Still needs 60 votes to pass the fillabuster.
Oh yeah, good point, this time it isn’t a budget so Fillibuster Time it is.
I wonder what the excuse will be for not filibustering this time. I wonder how quickly democrats will cave. I wonder how many will.
What I don’t wonder is what the talking point will be to defend the most unsurprising betrayal of principles in history. It’s gonna be the same as in this thread. “Ignore the turncoats, look at how many republicans they voted with! Vote blue no matter what we do.”
What’s the difference there won’t be an election
If everyone that said this pulled together we could probably stop the Silicon Valley coupe on our own.
I wonder how the republicans voted?
It’s not these four cowardly DINOs that make me lose faith in this country. It’s the people continuing to defend them.
I don’t think anyone defends them.
“The SAVE Act passed 220–208”
It was going to pass regardless, better blame 4 Democrats…
Each of these small betrayals, whether they are decisive or not, erode trust that voting for them matters at all. Surely you can see that?
Doesn’t matter if it was always going to pass, Nazis are always going to Nazi, most of us know that and understand that.
What does matter that there are four Democrats that help the Nazis keeping on Nazing and shows how ineffective Democrats are in being the opposition.
Jared Golden, Marie Gluesenkamp Perez, Henry Cuellar, and Ed Case
Marie Gluesenkamp Perez sold out the US on another important vote at some point in the recent past. Her name was unique enough to remember. Are the other three also habitual free agents?
Yeah, they all suck. Ed Case is a world class piece of shit as he’s representing urban Honolulu, in a SOLIDLY blue district.
following in TULSI footsteps, probably wants a deal with the gop down the line.
Yep she’s a piece of shit and it’s pissing me off. I get the alternative would have been voting the same but now I have disappointment as well.
This is why democrats worked so hard to keep coathager cuellar in office. They need people like him to vote how they want.
This headline is horseshit so I’ve only read enough to establish that much and am ignoring the rest of the article. Someone post a different one.
Here’s all you need to know from the article:
Republicans, and apparently some Democrats
many have warned that it could even make it harder for married women to vote.
The only conclusion you should draw is this: Marin Scotten of the New Republic is full of shit and shall not be trusted ever. You may conclude as you wish about all other matters based on other sources.
You’re being extreme. I suppose headline is misleading because the bill would have passed without Democrat support, and it doesn’t directly restrict the voting of married women. But four house democrats did vote for this (presumably because they’re in swing districts or border towns?), and the premise (requiring proof of citizenship is soft voter supression) appears to be true.
But you are touching on something I feel. Lots of really sensationalist sources float to the top of Lemmy’s front page.
New Republic is the worst. The Trump administration already does a lot of really awful, shitty, terrible things that deserve sunlight without sensationalizing shit, but they make a lot of sensationalist articles and a lot of “Oh Boy this ONE maga voter is really sorry now!” pieces. It’s got big institutional Democrat energy.
That said, yes, the headline is indirectly correct.
Rawstory is pretty bad too. Blogs/tweets that float up can be even worse.
I get it, people have their regular sources and well we should do something about it and post better ones if we don’t like it, but still.
This headline is horseshit
The legislation fucks with the ability for women who change their last name after marriage to obtain the IDs necessary to cast a ballot, which are increasingly fixated on tying everything back to your Birth Certificate. Four Democrats supported this bill, ostensibly in order to fuck over Transgender people.
Incidentally, one of the four - Henry Cuellar - is indicted on charges of bribery, unlawful foreign influence, and money laundering, allegedly accepting nearly $600,000 in bribes from foreign entities in exchange for political favors. Crazy that Dem megadonors continue to back him in election after election.
Marin Scotten of the New Republic is full of shit and shall not be trusted ever.
My guy, you’re the one spewing horseshit here.
right I thought I was waking up in crazy town. many women change their names and do not update their birth certificate My therapist was literally telling me about her issues with doing it because she’s been divorced a couple times this legislation directly impacts women and trans people specifically. It is intentionally written to make it harder for people in these groups to vote me personally I’m in the middle of getting my birth certificate updated so I’m hoping it won’t be a problem by the time midterms come up, but overall this bill is a bad bill it’s not needed there’s no need for this bill it’s absolutely pointless and pathetic attempt at voter manipulation
I’m going to conclude blue MAGA is angry and can’t take criticism.
Attacking the source when NPR and plenty of media report the same thing.Focusing direct attention on 4 out of 220 people and wording it as if those were the only people who did it isn’t a critisism, it’s a manipulation. It’s the same manipulation that was around for months before the election which lead to all this bullshit in the first place. For a median voter it makes this regular “both sides” bullshit, when in reality it’s 216 vs 4 people.
Aw did somebody criticize your favorite genociders? Did it booboo your feelies?
No Democrat should vote for a single Nazi bill, ever.
Scratch a liberal…
Time to vote with guns.
Or at least vote for the progressive in the primary first.
Nah, people running under the progressive name need to know we’re done fucking around.
Police love to send out provocateurs to start trouble and give them an excuse to crack down.
They arent going to listen to us until we start blowing up police cars anyway
Police love to send out provocateurs to start trouble and give them an excuse to crack down.
Case in point. There are always plenty of people who don’t mind seeing other folks get stomped.
Cops have been killing people anyway. May as well get something for it.
Apparently, the concept of ‘few’ and ‘many, many’ eludes you.
Pretty obvious from the election they want progressives kept of the ballots by all means, and mostly by the dems.
Can’t challenge the uniparty monopoly.
What has this country become, requiring ID to vote? What is this Germany, Switzerland, Belgium, Denmark, Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Finland, France, Mexico, or Canada, most of Europe, most of South America, or Most of Asia?
The problem is the requirements around it that prevents people from voting. If the US actually had a good piece of ID it would be a non issue, it doesn’t.
These comments and reactions are so interesting to me. Like, who are you? If you’re a progressive, you don’t want more blocking for a citizen to vote. If you’re a conservative, you don’t want laws being passed that aren’t necessary and add to the government’s control.
There is absolutely no on-going problem with voter fraud. There is absolutely no reason for this to be a problem for any legislative body to be focusing on. But, you and other commenters always have the same response, “Well, country (A,B,C) do it, what’s the big deal?”
Like wtf is the big deal to begin with? It never starts with that, it’s “what problem do you have with this extra legislation that isn’t needed?”
EVEN ONE PERSON NOT BEING ABLE TO VOTE BECAUSE OF THIS IS A PROBLEM TO ME! ONE PERSON BEING DISENFRANCHISED FROM RUNNING DOWN TO THEIR LOCAL ELECTIONS TO VOTE BECAUSE OF A REQUIREMENT THEY CAN’T REACH IS A FUCKING PROBLEM FOR ME!
I have never once shown any form of ID to vote in Denmark in my 10 years of voting. Kindly fuck way off.
And these countries have compulsory voter registration and the onus of verifying a prerson’s ability to vote is on the government, not the individual.
Don’t try to pretend that Republicans here are like Europe here buddy, if these assholes want to follow European style voter ID and government then by all means, do it. Otherwise take your disingenuous argument elsewhere.
Ok whew, we are truly almost back to the 1890’s, Trumpublicans apparently favored era of America.
19th Ammendment was passed back in… 1920.
Basically this undoes women’s suffrage, so married women either just can’t vote, or will face massive uneccesarry hurdles voting.
And of course transfolk as well, they’re now pretty much formerly disenfranchised.
I wonder, do we have bootleggers (smugglers) for abortifacients, birth control, horomone therapy drugs yet?
I guess that’ll be the ‘growth market’.
IANAL but in my reading of the text of the bill the only way for a married woman that took her partner’s last name (that wasn’t in the military with her married name) to be able to vote if this becomes law is for them to spend at least $30 to get a USA Passport card. This would tick all the boxes the bill requires for these women:
- Government ID
- Shows citizenship status (by nature of it being a Passport)
- Shows place of birth
- Shows the married last name
…or as I’m calling it:
This is violation of the 24th Amendment banning poll Taxes.
In this case, its a required fee married women must pay to be able to use their Constitutional guaranteed right to vote granted by the 19th Amendment. How is this not a poll tax by another name on married women?
At this point the constitution is more of a guideline.
To the GOP it’s just rough paper to wipe their asses.
here’s the issue.
There’s been a tax on the second amendment for decades. Having to pay the fees for licensing, and the classes, means there’s a cost to exercise the right. Since people with no knowledge about the subject made sure to make it as expensive as possible to enjoy a right, the psychopaths in office now have precedent.
one cannot tax one right and hand wave another. So . which do you think will fall first?
one cannot tax one right and hand wave another
Clearly you’re wrong because ones been being taxed and the other hasn’t. There’s a direct ban on poll taxes in the constitution, there is no such things for guns
Dont stop! I’m playing sad violin music to back you up! keep typing, think of the children who wont get to fire guns without your continued effort.
Jesus Christ what’s the matter with you! I didn’t think id see the same type of insulting children here as on reddit. What ever happened to civil discourse?
(violin music intensifies)
Sorry guy, no one’s going to pity an ammosexual trying to equate a tax on guns to a poll tax.
Umm. I don’t own a modern firearm
Don’t be so antagonistic. No one’s asking for sympathy. Why so angry?
Lol up and down this thread crying about gun taxes. “Why so angry?” You’re that kind of redditor lol. I’d say go back, but I’ll bet you’re one of the ones that actually earned your ban.
Um. You ok ? What have I said to offend you so? Did I call you a name or something?
I’m a bit confused as to why you won’t just have a civil discussion?
So which amendment bans taxes on gun ownership. Must have missed that one.
There isn’t one, the poster made it up.
There’s been a tax on the second amendment for decades. Having to pay the fees for licensing, and the classes, means there’s a cost to exercise the right.
I’m looked at the receipt for a recent gun purchase, a rifle, and there are zero taxes or fees on it except sales tax which applies to nearly all items (such as video games or automobiles) for sale. There were no required licenses or classes to purchase or own this firearm.
in your state. Where I am there are requirements for everything. from buying ammo to getting separate licenses for long guns and pistols.
the weapon itself is not what I’m talking about. of course that’s taxable.
So your beef is with a State (or municipal) government. That isn’t quite the same as a restriction at the Federal level that we’re discussing here.
It is though. The constitution is the law and it does give supremacy to the feds. Meaning a state or municipal law gives way to federal laws when there are none.
Again, I think this is a tangent, but even you admit that you are able to buy a gun and own in with these taxes in place. Your 2nd Amendment right is clearly intact. There’s no Constitutional right protecting gun ownership from taxation. Where that isn’t the case with voting. The 24th Amendment protects your right to vote without any fee. Gun ownership has no corresponding Constitutional protection.
No. In my state you cannot unless you pay for the classes , fingerprinting and background checks , etc…
Do not get me wrong I am for classes , and background checks.
I don’t believe those should cost the prospective owner though.
Now if there was no cost and those were required, I wouldn’t say a word. I hope my point is a bit clearer
How does the 2nd amendment stop taxes on guns?
You’re being an idiot, and you should shut up.
what are you talking about? No one said that. the gun itself isn’t the question.
learn how to read
Which part of the 2nd amendment bans any taxes?
You moved the goalposts, but you moved them to an even easier way to make you look like a loser. Stop posting.
I have multiple guns. Never paid for a class, don’t need a license. Only cost was in the guns and ammo. Now, I WAS taught at an early age how to handle guns safely, and am damn near brainwashed to handle them thusly (I never leave a bullet in chamber and I still clear my weapons every time I even touch them.) That said, I do need to stop being a lazy ass and finish building my ak47 instead of leaving it half assembled. Still needs a couple of American parts and I will not risk being dinged with an illegally built firearm.
In your state.
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Holy fuck, simmer down now, and right back at you dip shit why don’t you try shutting the fuck up, you have absolutely nothing else add besides that to the conversation you’re pretty pathetic my guy
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Then you need to work on your reading comprehension because neither of these statements above you were in support of the tax
You need to work on your reading comprehension.
You need to be checked for echolalia. There might be some undiagnosed autism going on here
Is there an amendment that bans a tax on gun ownership?
If not, then your argument has no standing
is there an Amendment that bans a tax on any right?
if not then your argument has no standing.
Point is, requiring people to pay to exercise rights is now enshrined. and we watched it happen.
The 24th amendment very specifically bans polling taxes
The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.
Miller v. US, 230 F2d 489 “The claim and exercise of a Constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime.”
Shuttlesworth v. Birmingham 394 U.S. 147 (1969). “Persons faced with an unconstitutional licensing law which purports to require a license as a prerequisite to exercise of right… may ignore the law and engage with impunity in exercise of such right.”
US Supreme Court in Hurtado v. California 110 US 516: “The state cannot diminish the rights of the people.”
Sherar v. Cullen, 481 F2d 946(1973) “… there can be no sanction or penalty imposed upon one because of his exercise of constitutional rights”
Also in Murdock: “a person cannot be compelled “to purchase, through a license fee or a license tax, the privilege freely granted by the constitution.”"
The claim and exercise of a Constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime.
Irrelevant to this conversation.
Persons faced with an unconstitutional licensing law which purports to require a license as a prerequisite to exercise of right… may ignore the law and engage with impunity in exercise of such right.
By this logic, voter registration isn’t in the constitution, so you might be able to make the argument that it violates the 14th, 15th, 19th, and 24th amendments. Again, by this logic, regardless of if people have proper voting registration or any voting registration at all, they should still be able to vote anyways. The 4 Democrats mentioned in the above article pass a law against the above.
The state cannot diminish the rights of the people.
Tell that to the Republicans that introduced the above bill.
there can be no sanction or penalty imposed upon one because of his exercise of constitutional rights
What about the right to protest of UCLA students last April being violated because of false claims of anti-semitism, or the right to protest of Columbia students last March because of similar false claims? Did the US care about imposing sanctions or penalties on those people, or did they just detain and deport them instead?
a person cannot be compelled “to purchase, through a license fee or a license tax, the privilege freely granted by the constitution.”
Again, tell that to Republicans that introduced the above bill.
They could waive the fee as part of it?
They could do that but besides still being shitty, it may not satisfy the 19th Amendment. The text of the Amendment read:
- The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
Making married women jump through the arduous hoops of obtaining a passport card (and indirect costs associated with it such as postage and photography costs) could still be possibly considered “abridged” in violation of this Constitutional Amendment. This is especially true when this new bill effectively singles out married women. Married men don’t have to do any of this so it could also still be a violation on the “on account of sex” portion of the Amendment.
How about making Bubba from bumble-fuck Arkansas have to drive to some major city to register for his right to vote?
See how that can be seen as an undue burden on voting?
Consider this too. A woman has all of her ducks in a row with her married last name, and then divorces her POS republican husband. Now she needs to re-establish her identity all over again.
For the ladies out there (or anyone getting married) keep your last name. My partner kept theirs, and it tickles them pink when the systemic chauvinism gets reversed and I get called by their last name.
But doesn’t this mean you now have to get a passport card if you took their last name?
My partner kept theirs, and it tickles them pink when the systemic chauvinism gets reversed and I get called by their last name.
Same here. :)
Worse getting the card is a major pita with the documentation and photo and having to mail it for first time.
It always seems to me that this wouldn’t be such a big problem if the US had a working bureaucracy. I know $30 can be a significant sum (plus the pictures and other expenses) but it would be less of a hurdle if
- relevant offices were within reasonable distance
- they were sufficiently manned
- all or part of the process could be done online
- the government actually strives to make these processes as user-friendly as possible
This is something Americans rarely talk about because it’s just assumed that everybody knows? Maybe somebody could explain to a EU dweller.
It always seems to me that this wouldn’t be such a big problem if the US had a working bureaucracy.
As a European I have no expectation you’d had this nugget of US history, but I can fill in the gap. After slavery was outlawed in the entire USA in the 1850s (post civil war) racist bigots enacted laws preventing black Americans from using their newly gained Constitutional rights. There were lots of examples of this. In many of the southern state local leaders instituted poll taxes, which was a required fee that someone would have to pay before being able to vote, but these same laws gave exemptions to anyone whose grandfather had voted in a prior election. Because whites had a long history of voting they were exempt from these taxes. Because newly freed slaves whose grandfathers had not been allowed to vote hadn’t, the poll tax applied only to blacks. This disenfranchisement was deliberate on the part of white leaders with the intent to suppress black voting.
This is obviously fairly fucked up way to run a country, so the people of the USA passed an amendment to the US Constitution banning poll taxes on everyone. This is the 24th Amendment (passed in 1964). Better late than never.
So this new requirement on married women to pay at least $30 to get a passport card is a de facto poll tax which is outlawed by our Constitution (24th Amendment) also because it violates the 19th Amendment (the one that gave women the right to vote) as this law specifically targets married women (and not married men).
I knew that, but how does it answer my question?
You’re absolutely correct, but Donald Trump dgaf about the constitution, at most he sees it as an inconvenience, something that other people have to do or something to wave like a flag, not something for him personally to actually obey. And the scotus has no intention whatsoever of holding him to it.
Those in power absolutely know these things but making things more difficult is the actual point. Voter fraud is extremely rare. The justification is all bull shit.
It’s ultimately about preventing people who might vote Democrat from voting. If it affects a ton of Republican voters that’s fine so long as it hits disproportionately more Democrats.
They ONLY did That because they had NO CHOICE! If you WANT them to NOT Vote for it you have to DONATE and VOTE! Well maybe Not VOTE anymore if you’re a Woman or Disabled or in a Rural Area or Poor but DEFINITELY DONATE!
No choice? Nah, that’s s fucking cop out. Democrats talk a big game about opposing Trump, but when the chips are down they vote for garbage legislation like this or vote for the budget, etc. We either hold them accountable for any support whatsoever that they provide to this regime or we let go of the fantasy that Democrats give a shit about being any thing other than a token speed bump to fascism.
Their post was clearly sarcasm. Excessive capslock is not a sign of seriousness.
It is on Facebook and X-itter.
Guess I’ve spent too much time on reddit.
I, who do not have a single rat in this race, would like to mention that the post you replied to might be implying /s.
Everyone who changed their name, not just women
Are we seriously complaining that requiring ID with your current name on it is unreasonable?
A birth certificate? Yes. What’s wrong with a driver’s license?
Non-citizens can attain a drivers license, so republicans believe there is the chance non-citizens might sneak there vote past unsuspecting poll workers.
You don’t pre-register in the US? In Canada it’s automatic when you do your taxes if you tick the box
Did you read the article? Did you read the law? ID is not sufficient for proof of citizenship. Your birth certificate is your proof of citizenship, and if you were married and took your spouses name, then your name does not match your ID. You must at this point apply for a US Passport. Many citizens of the US, especially poorer citizens, do not have one because they have never traveled. And, I hear there can be long lead times to getting one, because the infrastructure is not in place to support processing the quantities of passports that we would need if every American citizen now needs one. So, are we going to stop firing federal workers so that we can get everyone documented proof now so they can vote?
I’ve read it. Americans find a way to make everything as divisive and as convoluted as possible to the point it’s not even possible to discuss. Other countries have long solved these problems. I can’t even find a coherent description of the US voting process but it’s clearly not just women who are affected.
Are we seriously complaining that requiring ID with your current name on it is unreasonable?
Asked and answered. You’re assumption here is wrong and minimizes the issue at hand. And just for the record, in the future, if you don’t understand something, it’s OK to take a minute and inform yourself before you comment.
Quit trying to stir up shit by creating this false dichotomy of gender and people changing their name. Nobody cares why someone changed their name here, they’re just pointing out that MANY women do it after marriage. Something that this party claims to care about the sanctity of. You’re point that it is not JUST women is correct, and only makes the problem WORSE.
it’s OK to take a minute and inform yourself
If you read my comment you’ll see that’s been tried and no applicable information was found
Most women in the US change take their husband’s last name after marriage. Next to no men do this. Your birth certificate has the name you had at birth on it, not your married name. Your ID has your current legal name, married name in the case of most married women. These will not match for the vast majority of married women, causing them to not be able to vote, and will pose no problem to the majority of men. Does that make sense?
What doesn’t make sense is when this is requested, why doesn’t everyone else have to provide ID?
They do, this will require ID as well as proof of citizenship, two documents. The birth certificate is the one everyone has, since they are given at birth. So men, unmarried women, and married women who did not change their name, can go vote without obtaining any additional documentation, while most married women will now have to go through the process and pay large fees for additional documentation.
Pretending to be a democrat seems to be more and more common. We need a way to vet them.
More people need to vote in the primaries.
DINOS, alot of them had to make deals with the DNC, because otherwise they get outed in a red district, or state. much like manchin is, since he wont be winning against a maga anytime soon.
Fuck vetting. We need a way for citizens to recall these lying fuckers.
Fuck recall, these bastards need to be taken out back and shot
Or, better, hung up slowly from the ground so they can flail wildly while we all watch
Hey we gotta start somewhere. Let’s recall these traitors and get them out of congress; this also removes any legal protections they’d have. From there, game on.
Unfortunately, if you try to vet them you’ll be attacked for not voting for the lesser evil.
Someone has no idea how primaries work.
I’m from Iowa, I know how the fucking primaries work.
What they do is rig the election to give the victory to a fucking nobody like Buttigieg.
It would be a lot harder to rig Iowa if they’d just get rid of the bullshit Caucus system.
rig the election
I estimate you are 70% of the way along the Leftist to MAGA pipeline. Next step is a vague conspiracy theory about “those people” who did the rigging and every other thing. Then you just need a forceful personality to convince you who “they” are (Democrats, immigrants, etc).
I’m trans, MAGA is going to fucking kill me and half a dozen Democrats will reach across the isle to vote for it.
You’ll cheer them on because I deserve it for being disloyal and complaining too much.
If you don’t vote Democrat, well…I won’t cheer it on, but I won’t be quite as horrified. Literally digging your own grave.
If I don’t bend the knee you’ll let them kill me, because I didn’t kiss the ring. You’ll just stand aside and let it happen, because for you politics is just waiting for the next election and doing literally nothing in the meantime.
News flash, elections are fucking over. Forever. Your method of always voting for the lesser evil lead you here, it’s your fault as much as it is every other USAmerican, and you have to do something else now. Do you think Republicans are going to let you vote them out of power?
You need to act like you can’t vote anymore, because you probably can’t.
I estimate you are 70% of the way along the Leftist to MAGA pipeline.
Everyone to the right of netanyahu is maga.
Uhhh…yes. Also some people to his left. I think Netanyahu is too extreme even for some MAGA.
Oops. Meant to say that you perceive everyone to his left as being maga. Fixed it.
Yeah, at this point it’s beyond clear that it goes beyond “a few bad apples”. Any attempt to primary these fuckers will have to overcome a tidal wave of Democratic establishment and AIPAC money.
The voters just need to actually show up to the primaries.
In 2020 my Iowa primary basically got thrown out and then in 2024 they decided to force a candidate onto us without a primary.
Living in this country makes me want to die.
