We went digging to see if that widely shared class-action lawsuit accusing Tesla of odometer fraud had any real-world backing. Honestly, we expected it to be overblown. Odometer lawsuits aren’t exactly everyday news, the last one I can remember was a branding disaster for Ferrari. To our surprise, Tesla drivers have been publicly posting about […]
A Tesla influencer randomly caught his odometer double-counting mileage on video. Wild.
I admit I didn’t watch the video — I’ve trained YouTube’s algorithm well at this point and don’t want Tesla content — but what the fuck is a predictive odometer? The tires roll a certain distance. We’ve had odometers for like 75 years.
The article mentions that Tesla is kind of justifying the behavior by saying it is based on energy consumption and some other bullshit. The expectation according to SAE, which I find very interesting, is to be in a range of +/- 4% and for GPS enabled odometers+/- 2.5%, Tesla is missing the mark for at least 36%.
I have test all three methods. GPS is the best, but it has drop outs. You can add an inertial gyro system to compensate, but that becomes sloppy the longer it goes without GPS.
The tire method has a lot of variances, but the measure at the transmission is often worse.
It absolutely does. Typically, all 4 wheel speed sensors are polled and averaged, so unless you’re doing lots of extended 4 wheel burnouts, you’re talking an incredibly small margin of additional error.
Man, something I love is un-steering by simply reducing my grip against the wheel so it slowly resets to neutral, my hand’s friction making sure it doesn’t do so suddenly.
This shit ass shape would make that impossible. It’s like they hate driving.
I admit I didn’t watch the video — I’ve trained YouTube’s algorithm well at this point and don’t want Tesla content — but what the fuck is a predictive odometer? The tires roll a certain distance. We’ve had odometers for like 75 years.
You can remove YouTube videos from your watch history, so they don’t influence your algorithm.
Or don’t use YouTube on their platform.
FreeTube, Grayjay, etc are better experiences by far
The video shows it going like 14999 to 15001 skipping 15000.
You’d think they would make it increment every half mile instead of doing something stupid like this.
“shit i always do that i always mess up some mundane detail” ~ Tesla Engineers probably
Except in this case they’re defrauding customers instead of corporate like in Office Space… not quite as fun.
Yeah if you’re gonna do a fraud at least put the minimum thought into it. It’s disrespectful is what it is. Gives honest grifters a bad name
The article mentions that Tesla is kind of justifying the behavior by saying it is based on energy consumption and some other bullshit. The expectation according to SAE, which I find very interesting, is to be in a range of +/- 4% and for GPS enabled odometers+/- 2.5%, Tesla is missing the mark for at least 36%.
So we traded a proven, reliable, physical laws based method (wheel roll) in favor of unreliable electronics. Nice.
Electronics can be extremely reliable, but Tesla chose to be sleezebags.
It’s not really that reliable as it it will depend on the diameter of the wheels that can vary with pressure, wear, and and actual tyre size.
A better method may be a sensor like the one used in optical mice.
I have test all three methods. GPS is the best, but it has drop outs. You can add an inertial gyro system to compensate, but that becomes sloppy the longer it goes without GPS.
The tire method has a lot of variances, but the measure at the transmission is often worse.
So if I replace the wheels on my car with monster truck wheels, I’ll be able to cheat the odometer?
Well yeah. My bicycle odemeter has settings for different size wheels.
We used to take vehicles in for calibration and then all runs had to use the same psi in the tires.
…but what are we actually trying to measure here? The miles travelled, or the wear and tear that’s caused by the wheels spinning?
Mileage by counting the number of rotation of the wheel.
The mileage is a measurement to give an idea of the wear, combined with other information to give a holistic view of the state of the car.
Fair, and thinking about it it doesn’t account for unnecessary wheelspin
It absolutely does. Typically, all 4 wheel speed sensors are polled and averaged, so unless you’re doing lots of extended 4 wheel burnouts, you’re talking an incredibly small margin of additional error.
I think that pretty much sums up the entire ethos of Silicon Valley these days.
DISRUPT THE MARKETTTTTTT
You’ve summed up every aspect of the Tesla. Especially now that real car companies are taking EVs seriously.
Reinventing the wheel.
But shittier!
Literally. And it sucks. There’s reasons they don’t do it like this anymore.
Man, something I love is un-steering by simply reducing my grip against the wheel so it slowly resets to neutral, my hand’s friction making sure it doesn’t do so suddenly. This shit ass shape would make that impossible. It’s like they hate driving.
Now you can un-steer way faster! /S
imagine the hand smack once the other side turns in… ow
That makes your warranty expire faster. It’s not in the users favor.