• improve7elephants@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    5 hours ago

    I like to look at it this way: There are not many bad people but weak people who fall for propaganda. The real bad people are just a few but those are the ones manipulating the weak.

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      I know a lot of people who are pissed off and struggling yet don’t blame minorities for their troubles while actively voting against their best interests at every possible turn. I also know people who, even if it took some time, realized that conservatism is actually fucking awful. I even know some conservatives who are just really stupid or bad at economic policy but who are genuinely good people(so long as he can see you or even just hear that you’re a friend of someone he knows my dad will give you his shirt, and he doesn’t have ill-intentions towards minorities, for example).

      Trump people are just fucking terrible. Their entire “ideology” is so rooted in being terrible that even if they were just weak morons sweat away by the propaganda I still cannot fathom how they weren’t tipped off by any of the thousands of moments which gave them the opportunity to reflect.

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      Too weak to have any morals? I doubt it. They are just given permission to let their inner racism out.

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        That’s too easy and excuses us from the work needed to rescue these people, content in our own moral superiority.

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        Tetraethyl Lead has a lot to answer for, but yes, a lot of people are just selfish arseholes.

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    I don’t understand how the US is so prop-full of hateful, ignorant, angry people. Is it because of all the lead they ingested towards the end of the 19th century?

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      Its because conservatives have actively meddled in the educational system, and kept kids from learning and practicing Critical Thinking Skills. At the same time, they used the vast Conservative Propaganda Machine to teach people to rely on Faith-Based Thinking, where they believe whatever they are told, no matter how absurd or outlandish, as long as it comes from someone in authority, such as a radio/tv talk show host, a politician, a preacher, a cop, a boss, etc.

      Thats why they went so hard after evangelicals. They have already proven that they will build their entire lives around the most bizarre mythology and fairy tales written by neolithic goatherders, so all they had to do was get them to accept their political fairy tales, too.

      Critical Thinking Skills are the most important part of any person’s education, and Conservatives have actively suppressed it. That’s why the Department of Education has always been one of their worst enemies. The 'liberal indoctrination" they are always screaming about are Critical Thinking Skills.

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      It’s because those in power will always make sure the masses are blaming the “others” and that there will always be "others"to blame. They don’t want people looking too closely and seeing that it is them who make life hard.

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      4 hours ago

      Look around the world… It’s not just the US, the US are just a big example of it

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      …the baby boomer generation were raised on television and consider it an authoritative source of information; fox news made them a captive asset…as for younger folks on the fascist train, it’s likely sensationalist social media echo chambers, and unfortunately more and more countries are fostering the same pathology…

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    I already knew that there were plenty of awful people in the US since I studied the civil rights movement in school. Watching white people use fire hoses against Black people and white people being ok with that was a clue. For me the worst part has been watching my friends and family be brainwashed by the MAGA movement. People who I know to be otherwise wonderful people.

    For me it’s the answer to the zombie question. Do zombies have some part of their former personality still inside? The answer is definitely yes, and not some part, but 100% of their former selves.

    I’ll be talking to my Mom and she’ll be her old self again for a whole conversation. Like the last decade never happened. Then something political will come up and she’ll be gone again. And I’m stuck arguing with this zombie.

    Fox News has taken multiple family members and I’m sure many more friends. Unlike zombies there was no attack or infection. The brainwashing happened through radio, television, and social media. And unlike zombies there is hope, because people do get out of cults.

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    It is escapable. It’s propaganda. Show them different news and they are communists.

    The worst part of the Trump era is the realization of just how few people don’t fall for the divide and conquer manipulation.

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    One of the good things about living in the bay area is seeing these people on TV, it’s like seeing an NPC in a video game. It’s hard to believe they are real. The 1st time I saw an IRL maga hat was 2020, and I’m pretty sure it was a tourist at the beach I had to point and laugh. The 2nd time was last month, and I gave that bitch the bird. She was wearing the cringe ass Elon Dark Gothic Maga hat.

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    It’s also amazing just how incredibly tacky the MAGA movement is.

    The Nazis were evil, but at least they wore clothing designed by Hugo Boss. At least they borrowed from impressive looking Roman-style banners and eagles. They understood how to use colour, light and so-on to project strength. Even if you acknowledge that the Nazis were evil, at least you can sort of understand why the German people were drawn in.

    But the MAGA movement is so weak, so tacky. Even if I were somehow 100% aligned with their beliefs, I wouldn’t want to associate with them in public because their whole aesthetic is so embarrassing. I can’t understand how anybody can look at Trump and see competence, intelligence and strength. I also can’t understand how anybody can look at a typical MAGA rally and see anything other than a design scheme that would make even Wal*Mart cringe.

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    The guy with the Trump tatoo looks like the typical guy who gets a 23&ME saying he’s actually part Mexican.

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    THAT has been the most demoralizing part

    That half of my fellow Americans willingly embraced Nazi Fascism

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    I’ll never recover, personally. The way my world-view was shattered by how many not just nameless strangers, but people I actually know and interact with, are the worst sort of hateful monsters.

    My world is a different place now, and I don’t think I’ll ever feel the same.

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      I know. I have flat Werther’s in my family. Real life people who think the earth is flat in 2025. Like did anyone think this is where we would be growing up.

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      It’s stupidity and immaturity more than maliciousness, at least in the case of the US lumpen. The results might be more or less the same but the reframing helps with living in this world and believing in people’s ‘well-meaning nature’.

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        I appreciate this, and it does help turn the ire into pity a bit, but I do worry that unfortunately the effect sort of remains the same regardless

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      16 hours ago

      that guy isn’t having fun, he’s having a manic episode with violent fantasies.

      nobody with that look in their eyes is in control of themselves.

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        Its a funny jogge bro, he is probably influenced by the whole “lead=profit”-thing or his parents were, its murrica after all. But still, when was the last time you felt this happy? Being serious in non serious posts lowers your life expectancy, we need to laugh more even though its hard nowadays.

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    I get the sentiment, but posts like this only foment the hate from either side even more. Just adding fuel to the outrage, and as long as we keep doing it like this, there will never be an offramp. The freeway will simply end in fire. This strategy is not tenable.