That can’t be good.
There it is.
Holy fuck
Unrelated side note: Is anyone else watching Andor?
I barely hear a very soft voice echoing away into silence:
“… the military is prohibited to operate on US soil in acts of enforcing law against its citizens …”
And now we’ll find out where the military stands. This is a tipping point.
They fired all the top generals, pretty much, so we will indeed see if our soldiers read and took to heart the oath they swore. They are legally obligated, under the UCMJ, to refuse unlawful orders and fortunately the UCMJ is quite explicit in which orders are to be determined unlawful.
Our military actually operates on a bottom-up model, so firing top generals doesn’t really do much.
So much for the Posse Comitatus Act
If we could stop accelerating into full-blown fascism, that would be great. Stay safe out there.
A whole lot of oath keepers forgetting what they swore to it seems.
This is the moment when we find out how many US soldiers have the balls to uphold their oath to the Constitution above all else, and refuse to comply with an obviously illegal order.
this, combined with what pam bomb-me said the other day, would mean that the military could be quartered in your home on suspicion that you are harboring enemies of the established government. that government is also now bypassing representation by taxing the public via tarriffs.
the words evade me. do they need fucking trefoil hats and bright red coats, too?
I’d be very surprised if any of them actually did.
They are all cut from the same cloth. I personally know veterans that eat up the rights propaganda while believing everyone else is wrong.
When someone brings up Republican dog whistles they can’t stop themselves from joining in.
All the Right has to do is say “something something America!” and they’ll just follow orders. Literally the way it was conditioned into them.
2020 was the first time in decades that the majority of active duty military voted blue.
Please don’t put all veterans in that group. I know full well what my oath is.
You sure you’re a veteran? You immediately cut and run at the first sign of trouble?
Those colors are super runny, I guess. Must be watercolors.
Sorry I offended you.
Go back under your bridhge little troll before some billygoats come along. Have a nice day.
Anyone who confronts you is a troll?
Cognitive dissonance sure is comforting.
that it’s fine to kill civs in other brown countries but not your own?
fuck your oath.
That’s fair. I won’t put all veterans or active duty in the same group.
I do expect to see military stepping with law enforcement while knocking people’s doors down.
Expecting anything else would make me a fool after seeing what has already been done.
I’d rather be surprised that they don’t than surprised that they do.
Clock’s ticking. Shit or get off the pot, Mr. or Mrs. Talk.
Until then, you go in the same group.
I support you. Chronically internet driven people like person replying to you generally don’t talk to veterans, don’t understand the military, and don’t really care about you.
I know. Trolls are going to troll because they like getting people worked up. It is the little power they can muster for thier sad life. I have nothing but pitty for them. I learned a long time ago that the best thing to do is just let them stew in thier own pissed filled diaper and ignore them. Any reply just gets them going.
I’m not a troll or any of those other things. Let’s see who is right or wrong in the end.
I’d rather be wrong but I’m not naive.
Time to play Super Mario Brothers folks. Luigi is more fun than Mario.
As bad as this is, it isn’t actually saying anything about using the military alongside law enforcement, though it does talk about giving law enforcement excess military assets and training and likely opens the door to using personnel as well (section 4-b), though they could just interpret “assets” to include forces… Anyway, either way this is bad
They’re going to try to occupy Illinois under martial law, something crime or immigration state of emergency. My guess is the Indiana national guard will be called in.
And then maybe we get to see how a ‘the orders from the governor and the president directly collide and contradict’ situation plays out.
Sec. 4.
Using National Security Assets for Law and Order.
(a) Within 90 days of the date of this order, the Attorney General and the Secretary of Defense, in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security and the heads of agencies as appropriate, shall increase the provision of excess military and national security assets in local jurisdictions to assist State and local law enforcement.
(b) Within 90 days of the date of this order, the Secretary of Defense, in coordination with the Attorney General, shall determine how military and national security assets, training, non-lethal capabilities, and personnel can most effectively be utilized to prevent crime.
… Where ‘crime’ is defined as ‘whatever the fuck the Trump admin decides is a crime, or whoever the fuck they decide is a criminal.’
This is about as direct as possible as it is to say ‘the military will be engaging in domestic policing operations at scale and in depth.’
As other commenters have pointed out… ‘national security assets’ means… personnel of all kinds, guns, ammo, tanks, helicopters, jet aircraft… logistics systems, military bases, naval vessels…
It is literally anything under the control of or used by the military, its the catch all term for ‘everything, including the kitchen sink’.
This is like… hrm ok, we’re gonna have a striker brigade company do security/presence patrols through Pittsburgh like it’s Mosul or Baghdad, we’re gonna have global hawks assisting chasing down suspects, we’re gonna have some of the old barracks at the old training grounds retrofitted into detention centers, or maybe we’ll just use engineering companies to set up some new concentration camps…
Yeah, all of that kind of shit is now on the table, being considered.
If an actual, ‘classical’ civil war of military vs military is gonna start, this would be how.
It also seems to put local law enforcement in a position to be accused of interfering with federal policy if they don’t comply.
Totally unrelated, my conservative state’s corrupt AG is suing my city for their alleged “sanctuary city policy” and the case goes before a judge tomorrow.
assets do include personnel
It says …, and personnel… towards the end of subsection b. So, unless I’m misreading it, it’s already in there.
“There’s a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state. The other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people.”
Godsdammit so say we all.
Posting this here because it seems relevant:
Panel discussion on what is an illegal order:
Stock up on 5.56 and 7.62
