cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/29037456
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From age six until you drop dead. No schools required, whatever you need to do this job you will learn on the job.
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We don’t need to worry about grocery bills if we have community farms
We have to worry about farming though.
The prices of agriculture commodities are so low that things will be more expensive after a revolution. Think illigal immigrants picking fruits, they will receive fair wages, won’t they?
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The opposite. I assume that the mode of operation will change and thus things will become much more expensive.
Yes, they will. You know what else will happen with community farms?
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You don’t need to long-haul your produce thousands of miles.
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You reduce fossil fuel usage associated with transportation and refrigeration.
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You significantly cut packaging waste (plastic wraps, cartons, trays).
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You eliminate or drastically reduce food spoilage during transit.
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You lower dependency on chemical preservatives needed for extended shelf life.
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You avoid industrial-scale pesticide and herbicide use that damages ecosystems.
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You decrease water waste from large-scale irrigation systems.
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You eliminate excessive food processing required for preservation and transport.
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You prevent large-scale soil degradation and erosion due to monoculture practices.
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You reduce greenhouse gas emissions from heavy machinery and vehicles.
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You minimize biodiversity loss caused by vast monocrop fields.
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You eliminate food waste from standardized aesthetic requirements (rejecting imperfect produce).
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You avoid the environmental harm and fossil fuel use from massive refrigerated storage facilities.
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You reduce deforestation and habitat destruction associated with industrial farming expansion.
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You significantly lower the risks of large-scale disease outbreaks and contamination.
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You reduce reliance on genetically modified crops engineered solely for transport durability.
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You prevent nutrient loss in produce caused by prolonged storage and transport times.
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You reduce economic vulnerabilities associated with centralization and supply-chain disruptions.
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You mitigate community health risks by providing fresher, nutrient-rich produce.
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You reduce noise, air, and water pollution associated with industrial farming machinery and processes.
children dying of pellagra must die because a profit cannot be taken from an orange.And coroners must fill in the certificate- died of malnutrition- because the food must rot, must be forced to rot
Community farms are precisely about correcting this injustice. There’s so much watse in “profit”, and profit keeps growing.
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And the economy is planned for 5 years at a time to keep those jobs this stable, yes?
Each time this guy opens his trap, he proves that when you hire clowns, you get a circus.
He is the proof, that time travel is real. They got a feudal lord from the middle ages to cosplay as that guy.
To be fair, this is what this government promised. The issue is that the voters just took it in
That poll showing 80% of voters want manufacturing jobs to come back to America but 20% of voters would willingly choose to work a factory job says everything.
I want manufacturing jobs to come back. We are transitioning to new technologies where there are not yet entrenched manufacturing dominance: it would be much easier to create jobs related to this, supplies chains related to this, market domination is still possible. We were late to the game after throwing away the early lead but we had our chance. We had investments. We had the economy finally turning. Yep, threw that away too.
We were finally turning toward indefinite energy independence. Still trying to throw that away.
All to fight the industrial battles of half a century ago, try to compete where there are no longer jobs, fight to wrest control of supply chains from entrenched leaders, compete on race to the bottom salaries
People would work factory jobs, if they were good paying jobs.
If you could own a home, afford groceries, raise a family, save for retirement, and take a modest family vacation, there would be lines out door applying for these jobs.
But these aren’t the factory jobs of the 1950s, those kind of wages aren’t coming back.
Yes please. Just give me job that pays me enough to live working 40 hours a week. Health insurance and an apartment without roommates. The ability to eat out on weekends. I’ll press a button for 40 hours or something.
LOL, they could come back with a few guillotines. How many filthy rich would have to die? Some assembly required.
Yeah, it says why are we schlepping parts all over the world to be assembled by poors in SEA, when we got our own poors stuck in the middle of the country with nothing to do but meth and fentanyl.
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On a more serious note, moving manufacturing back to the states will take some stupid number of years even if they start now, just to build the factories and the associated infrastructure. If only voters hadn’t let the capitalist class gut domestic manufacturing in the first place…
moving manufacturing back to the states will take some stupid number of years even if they start now
Now, come on. I’ve been to Bethlehem, PA! The facility is just sitting there waiting to be used!
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Looks perfectly there to me.
Yes, the 2024 election was truly a vote for misinformation over any policy.
Fox and the right have spent decades pushing various “this is what America needs” narratives but they’re a contradictory mess that neither matches reality nor is coherent. This about the manufacturing jobs is one. See also: states’ rights (except when the right controls the federal government and blue states don’t follow), cutting spending (except when we want to give tax cuts to billionaires), back-the-blue and law-and-order (except when we are staging an insurrection and deporting citizens), etc.
The reason this happens is because those narratives were always propaganda purely to win elections and create hate for the other side, and that is because they were always about gaining power for its own sake, not about a worldview or concrete goals.
2024 showed that delusion wins over facts. So now the right is living in a pure fantasy, made of construction paper and rotting cardboard facade that they demand we acknowledge as a sparkling utopia, and we’re all stuck in it.
Think I’ll pass, bud. I’ve read The Jungle, I know how this ends.
This take has got me hate before, but The Jungle is where I got my work ethic. I was 19, college American History. I was fucking appalled, but my take-away was, “Holy SHIT! He persevered though all that and kept going and going! BEASTLY!” (OK, it was the 90s: “GNARLY!”)
I know that wasn’t the intended lesson, but I was a changed man after reading that. No job, no matter how shitty, was tough enough to compare. Employment experience has always been, since then, working my ass off and quickly moving up to what I want to do.
Even my shit job at Lowe’s, been there 3-months, moved up to what I wanted, full-time position opening the garden center. I have the best job out of all those fuckers, that fast. No ass kissing or nepotism, no buddies on site, just grit.
I’ve done this in many jobs. “Fuck I’m taking customer service calls forever, I want to train classes instead.” Moved into that in 3-6 months, two different jobs. Slow as hell as an internet cable guy, but did perfect work. Moved into a QA/supervisory position in 4-months.
Anyway, yes, The Jungle is what these fuckers want us back to doing. And for anyone that hasn’t read it, please do so now.
And “rest of your life” means you dying from work related health issues at fifty, of course.
If you make it there; you won’t have a union and labor protections will be struck down in kangaroo courts, OSHA safety requirements were already a main driver of people not wanting to work these kobs–and that was before the current and future dismantling of OSHA related rules.
Also, how are you going to get 90k when federal minimum wage is what is was in 2009? Many of the southern states have even passed “counter-wage” laws forbidding the state from passing it’s own improved min wage law–truly hateful of the average person.
Is OSHA really enforced? My only dealing with them was 20-years ago somewhere in Chicagoland. We were new there and I went to the office to ask what job safety requirements looked like for us cable guys. They stared at me like I was an alien. (And BTW, encounters like that are why conservatives are all, “hell yeah! slash them jobs! fuck the gubermint!” The older you get, the most BS stories ya got. I have some positive ones from my local redneck city!)
The main safety driver, from my experience and current POV, is worker’s comp insurance. Employers do not fuck around with rising insurance rates, or getting sued. A worker’s comp investigation can be expensive, then come the higher rates. Employers want to show every way they’ve trained you, given you safety gear and trained you some more.
If you blatantly ignore the training and procedures, and get hurt, no comp for you. Perfect example is Lowe’s “safety knife”. Nope, can’t possibly hurt yourself with it, but you can barely do your job. They turn a blind eye to those of use who bring our own box cutters, but insurance ain’t paying if I split my finger open. (Well, they might, but if it came to litigation, they wouldn’t have to. And shouldn’t have to.)
tl:dr; Worked in the payroll industry. Worker’s comp insurance is a way bigger deal than most know.
Just like the IRS, these are strategically deranged/under-funded and understaffed by conservatives and their oligarchy backers. 99% of trump voters if you asked them if they want to be physically protected in their workplace would say they want their company regulated by an enforcement body, but if you ask them if they like big government, their brainwashing will say no.
Democrats are deliberately bad at branding because they’re beholden to oligarchs as well. Progressives, who badly want to fight for these common sense things have been squeezed out due to concentration of election power, e.g. communication, into a money war and oligarchs choose winners .
My hometown is famous for stonework. Gravestones, mausoleums, etc. Slabs of granite weighing tons are moved around on cranes, over the heads of workers, suspended by thick nylon straps that fray over time. Straps that are not replaced until they are much too close to snapping.
Whenever someone would get inevitably injured, or killed, the town “Powers That Be” industry agency would scramble to inform the owners of businesses to prepare of OSHA’s arrival. And most times, OSHA wouldn’t show up at all, due to “under staffing.”
I worked in this industry briefly in my mid 20’s. I saw live wires in puddles of water, no hard hats, no steel toed boots, or respirators to avoid silicosis. My high school girlfriend’s father died from being crushed by a stack of slabs tipping over, and crushing him, from the waist down. No one knows how long it took for him to die, they found him a few hours after he didn’t come home.
10 years after I left that nightmare, I saw a guy I worked with then missing a hand. It had to have been crushed between 2 slabs.
For life? Someone is delusional.
Maybe for 5 years, at most. Humans need food. Humans need breaks. Automated assembly machines? 24/7 production, no annual leave, no insurance plans, and no unionizing.
The up-front cost is much higher, but it’s cheaper in the long run. Good luck keeping that factory job long enough to have kids, let alone pass it down to them.
We’ll, the article was about the jobs maintaining the robots, not humans building stuff in factories.
Well, that’s on me for only reading the summary posted here.
America was isolated from WW2 and joined at the end on their terms and for their benefit thanks to their location/geography. America will easily self-isolate and go full V for Vendetta (white [Germanic? Anglo Saxon? I feel like Germanic covers both] ethnonationalism, as usual) until it eventually balkanizes.
But Americans are honestly the dumbest people I’ve ever met, seeming almost challenged in their happy ignorance, so what can Americans by themselves do against their owners and through hardship? Israelis bomb Palestine through Ramadan and the communities still break their fast together in the rubble of their homes; Americans can’t afford something they’ve been advertised but definitely don’t need and will start selling drugs, their bodies (OF has made it easier than ever too!) and, finally, their souls. I can’t see them doing anything besides murdering when they have the upper hand and assenting in fear when they don’t, and I definitely don’t see them getting together productively.
America was isolated from WW2 and joined at the end on their terms and for their benefit thanks to their location/geography.
That was WWI, they were in WWII from the start.
The US was most certainly NOT part of WW2 from the start.
We provided aid early in the war through our lend-lease programs, but the US made it a point to stay out of the war. That changed after Pearl Harbor.
Okay “from the start” was wrong on my part, but they were an active combatant for most of the war.
They joined the European war late, haven’t been around for the most of it time-wise.
They joined in 1943, 68% of time in.
The Germans lost less people fighting against the US in Europe total than in the Battle of Stalingrad.
these idiots have been so spoonfed that they’ve mentally swapped factory jobs and union jobs, and think it’s the factory bringing good conditions and satisfying work
Precisely.
I actually don’t want to work at a factory. I want robots to do that for me and I want the products to be cheap so I can buy cool stuff to do more interesting things.
Like I don’t want to weld parts and stuff, I want to make lasers from those parts.
I don’t want to melt glass. I want to use lenses to make images.
I don’t want to dig for shit. I want to use that stuff to make rocket fuel.
We don’t want factory jobs. We want technology jobs.
If you are clever enough for that creative work, why don’t you use that creativity to make those jobs?
The uncomfortable problem is that manufacturing jobs dind’t move to China for the cheap workers but for the cheap engineers and managers who run the factories.
Production won’t come back because there are not enough clever people in the USA.
A little correction there buddy. I happen to be a highly skilled person of the levels you mention. We were mid design of a new product when the tariff on aluminum hit and fucked us up real good. Depending on market conditions and client requirements we order from the US (for made in the USA) from Canada (for no China content ) and from China (for competitive markets). Parts get here, the same USA people assemble the parts, the same USA people calibrate the full production and the same USA people QA, package and ship the product. The tariffs hit right after trying to finish design, but we design with China as fall back and that’s gone. Now Canada is bidding parts but with tariff uncertainty we don’t know if those prices are real. So we’re shopping things here and of course here all shops ask for an arm and a leg. Its like 3 to 10 times the cost. So there’s no profit to be made and the investors are asking to see the final expected price before commiting. What will happen is that we will eat the cost and we’ll have to let our engineers and high skilled people go (since we’re done with our part) so that the company can survive. So I’ll be out looking for a job soon. The company already had a general layoff. So you know its going to be a fun orange Christmas.
But someone, somewhere is doing the grunt work. We’re nowhere near replacing manual labor. Hell, a robot with 10x our current capabilities couldn’t do my dumbass job at Lowe’s, and it certainly couldn’t talk to customers with decades of DIY and plant experience.
And BTW, I’m with you on all the above. Bet we’d be tight.
You keep hearing some members of this administration talk about automation and robots for factory jobs, and also AI for office jobs. If the press were at all smart they would continually ask these morons to keep explaining this contradiction. But I would love hear what they think will happen if everyone in the country loses their job. It’s not going to be good for the %.01 either.
Oh yeah, only right wing brown-nosers have White House press credentials anymore.
That would require the media to not be owned by the same kind of people that own the factories.
Or afraid of losing access. They keep throwing soft balls because they’re worried about being banned from press conferences and interviews.
They’re still so certain we’re having grandkids… Who’s gonna tell them?
It might not be you, but it will be children having children with abortion bans and lack of sex education.
Children make good factory slaves. Now I understand why they got rid of the department of education.
The traditional education system was actually designed specifically to prepare children for factory work. Enforce strict schedules, you arrive when we tell you, you eat when we tell you, you pee when we tell you, you leave when we tell you. The bell is king, and determines your whole day. Deviation from the bell’s schedule is to be punished and ridiculed.
It sounds like hyperbole, but modern education is literally based on the schools that factory owners set up for their workers’ kids, to groom the kids to work in the factory when they were old enough.
The factory owners just copied that from the Prussian model that was meant to train children to be good soldiers. Not that that was any better…
Brainwash them from childhood that it’s “Normal,” and most will never think it’s not.
He doesn’t mean after they graduate high school, he means as soon as they can walk.
I see these MAGA morons getting excited about the return of high-paying manufacturing jobs, because they have absolutely no Critical Thinking Skills, and they haven’t asked themselves the most basic question - if corporations have the opportunity to rebuild the manufacturing base in America, why would they recreate the model that sent manufacturing overseas in the first place? Wouldn’t they use this unique opportunity to create an entirely new model? And would that model benefit the workers, or the corporation?
The simple facts are, there will be two models in the new American manufacturing environment. The first will be factories that will rely heavily on automation/ robotics, and need very few humans. The second will be modeled after Asian sweatshops, with low pay, no benefits, forced overtime with no OT pay, child/teen labor, no health/safety/environmental regulations, etc.
The MAGA Nazis know this, but they are still selling the fantasy of high-paying factory jobs that even a stupid MAGA can do. I get that, they are disengenuous to the core, but why aren’t Dems or the media screaming about this, and asking MAGA Nazis in every interview?
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Nothing you tell a MAGA, that doesn’t sound like you worship their dear leader, will sink into their thick skulls.
They could literally be chained to a sewing machine working the 95th hour that week, paid $1 per hour and they would still claim they were winning (or at least owning the libs).
I see these MAGA morons getting excited about the return of high-paying manufacturing jobs, because they have absolutely no Critical Thinking Skills
No, most have never worked an actual manufacturing, or trade job in their lives, and the ones who have want to distance themselves from that embarrassing “Peasant Work” episode at all costs.
