I take it someone has already pointed out that excluded was the word wanted?
Don’t unclude my vocabulary like that
The thing with Macs is you don’t have to spend 80% of your time troubleshooting them. I love my Mac and OS X. I boot it up, log in, and don’t have to think about it. The UI is very intuitive and easy to use as well.
Intuitive for very basic things, but if you want to do anything outside the norm or some ease of use things from other desktops, goodluck.
The automation features in macOS are fantastic. Search, filter, run scripts when a new file arrives in a folder, great GUIs for automation, services. It’s sooooo powerful and accessible. Search for menu items in every application from the keyboard. Change keyboard shortcuts for all menus in all applications. Python, ruby, zsh, bash, are all installed by default. The default image and PDF viewer Preview.app has great editing for PDF included.
If you want to get shit done, macOS is just excellent in so many ways.
I started with a windows computer and learned lots about troubleshooting windows. However once I started using a Mac, I actually made cool stuff with my computer like music, nice documents, fun automation, video, programming, and so on.
The indie software scene on macOS is also unmatched, I think. The apps made by Omni and Panic have no equivalent on Linux or Windows. Kaleidoscope.app is the best diff app on any platform.
Listen I love the battery life on my m1 but it’s the first mac I’ve owned and “intuitive” is not the description I’d use for the ui. Is terminal and homebrew familiar sure, and for most things it does work. But then there are the real oddities in the ui. Like why does finder not show me my full file system by default? Why do I drag and drop when installing a new app, thats fucking stupid. Why are files in folders just placed where ever with no order? There should be a grid pattern that works by default so it doesn’t become so disorganized. Why does clicking into folders just add a divider in finder instead of actually opening the folder so that after a couple nested folders you can barely make out file names. If you have lived with that madness for all your life maybe it’s “intuitive” because you have gotten used to it but linux and windows are just miles ahead in ui intuitiveness when it comes to basic functionality like this.
I’ve used both since 2001. Windows default search is worse, dragging and dropping to your chosen install location seems to make just as much sense as choosing it in a pop up window, grid and sort by are both right click dialog options. I thought the argument against Mac software was a lack of options so now I’m going to ask why Windows doesn’t let you organize folders by vibes
I don’t have to troubleshoot my kid’s Speak and Spell either.
Every year I believe this more and more. I’ve always been lumped in with the tech crowd by anyone not tech-savvy, but in reality all my knowledge is from personal troubleshooting and very limited (I’m think of trying Linux and gonna be like a whole ass event for me). I used to think that was dumb, but then I started working with more Gen Z…
They have zero idea how to troubleshoot anything. If the computer doesn’t do what they expect, it’s a full stop for some of them. I have “solved” so many it problems by replugging a cable or just knowing the settings option exists. These aren’t stupid kids either, their in a tough industry and very capable otherwise. I think my generation was right place, right time to learn this stuff organically because shit just never worked quite right – apple was largely the outlier back then.
If you even know what an OS is you’re ahead of 70% of the population. Probably more.
Them’s fightin’ words 'round these parts, buster.
(… i agree)
I have an external Samsung SSD that my mac mini just refuses to keep indexed.
The solution to this is when I log in every day I have to go into the Mac system settings and tell finder to ignore my external drive, close system setting, then reopen systen setting and tell finder to no longer ignore the external drive. This is the only way to get it to reindex everything.
I need to do this everytime the mac mini wakes from sleep.
my favorite pornotrope is how people still swear by the belief that apple computers suffer no “malware”, because why are androids apparently so promiscuous like any black person wants to spoof torvalds’ github username
do androids sleep with promiscuous scapegoats?
dafuq did i just read?
academic discussion about sexuality with no context
I’m curious what her hypothesis is, I don’t think there is a correlation at all personally, seen a ton of people who know nothing about their computers regardless of Mac/Windows as their primary os.
Should’ve written “Mac PCs” just to mess with people.
When Apple moved to Intel CPU’s there was the creation of the Hackintosh. Which was running apple’s OS on any PC hardware you had around that happened to be compatible. If you thought finding Linux compatible hardware was rough…that was worse.
Run a second correlation on the incomes of these families and the tech literacy of their children and see what you find. I have a hypothesis.
In my experience kids who had iDevices don’t grow up to be tech literate but do have decently off parents.
I also grew up dirt poor and only had a webTV til I was like… 14. I’m way more tech literate than most it seems.
I grew up on Mac and only switched to Windows when I was 30. lol
I still wonder what Linux is like… It’s probably cool.
Depending on when and how deep your Mac experience was, it might be an easy switch. Despite its numerous failings MacOS, from OSX onwards, is a Unix. In particular a BSD, via NeXTSTEP.
Oh shit, same here! Were you surprised to learn how much basic stuff you didn’t know?
To be honest, not really. But I guess I got acclimated to Windows through the computers at my schools, so maybe that’s why.
I will admit, the environment feels more ‘open’ even if utilizing that openness is convoluted or requires more technical skills.
I think the main draw for me was the hardware and the ability to ‘easily’ replace it. Can’t do that on an iMac lol
Well, the time to find out is now :)
I would love to try it out, but if there is one thing that will make me want to set the world on fire: it’s tech issues lmfao Not saying that’s what the experience is like, I just kinda get that impression from memes and shit
The setup does not seem undaunting lmao
My first experience with Linux was at 10 years old or so. I had a netbook that I’d installed Ubuntu on.
Flash forward nearly 14 years and I use Arch as pretty much a daily driver these days.
I feel old. Linux didn’t exist when I was 10 years old, Linus was still in high school at that point. My home computer was a TRS-80 CoCo 2.
TRS!
Yeah, I’m only turning 24 this October, so that’s much before my time. I’ve always found something charming about machines from that era. My grandfather has an Amiga 500 that he got back in the day that still works. Sometimes him and I play around on it just for fun.
I miss my Amiga 500 Plus dearly… If only I understood English better at the time, and had someone teach me the basics of computing, instead of just learning to play games…
If you’ve had to mess around with EMM386 and HIMEM settings to play Wing Commander 2, you win.
Autoexec.bat’s and boot disks for everything ftw.
Does messing around to play Red Alert at 640 x 480 (instead of the default 320 x 240) qualify? I emphasize that I modded the thing to have ICBM carrying submarines for more realism, and played global thermonuclear war with my university course mate over an RS-232 cable. :P
(We could not afford Ethernet, or maybe couldn’t understand it, since it was such a new thing. I recall seeing shiny Ethernet cards from 3COM with some envy.)
I just want to point out that I was somewhat tech literate in the 2000s. and The Mac OS still scared me.
Omg, this is the best early-morning laugh that I’ve had in a long time. Mac-nerd, here. From childhood. Also a Linux nerd for servers. This is so great that I immediately sent it to friends in tech. I’m still laughing like a nut.
I learned because I was torrenting and broke the family windows computer. It was either fix it or get grounded.
Mac not being able to play any games forced me to mess around with other operating systems on it
I switched to Linux after my experience with Windows Millennium Edition. Many people have since referred to me as some sort of programming genius and hacker…I don’t know crap about any of that. I’ve simply followed instructions and referred to the help communities, whenever I’ve had trouble. Using the mainstream distributions (I’m guessing) has kept me from having much trouble.
It was VIsta for me!
Mixed messages here: “I’ve simply followed instructions and referred to the help communities, whenever I’ve had trouble.” Fellow human, those are the actions of a programming genius and hacker. The bar is remarkably low. A lot of people can’t even read what it says on the screen.
Peoples’ definition on programming is unclear.
I watched two people argue if Dennis Ritchie or Mark Zuckerberg is better at programming in comments on a youtube video about C.
And they are relatively tech-savy if they watch those videos.
Is the hypothesis that Windows being constantly broken forces you to learn how to fix it ? Because that’s kinda what happened to me 😆
Is the hypothesis that Windows being constantly broken forces you to learn how to fix it ? Because that’s kinda what happened to me 😆
I’d add that PCs also had great gaming, which also encourages upgrading, and PCs have always offered more options for upgrading. You learn a lot and can break a lot doing that, both of which add to the experience.
I mean, I managed to fuck up my Windows 95 just by installing a couple of games. God knows how that happened.
I remember!
My family just got a new computer; running the brand new Win95. It was so fancy, I can’t remember what game it was, but I couldn’t get the sound to work, so I tried reinstalling the sound drivers…
I managed to completely nuke our 2 day old PC. Had to get a friend of my stepdad to come and fix it…basically reinstall Windows. I have no idea what I did, but I did learn from that point, you can basically fix anything not hardware related given a bit of time and knowledge.
And that was my origin story, been using Linux full time since 2007, and dabbled for a few years before that.
Same. Got tricked into deleting System32 at age…7 maybe? Started learning a lot from that point on.
