• spooky2092@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    9 hours ago

    Judge by what he accomplished

    Getting said literal fascist elected by doing fuck all to solve the problems he said he would, gave said fascist a pass by assigning a mealy mouthed investigator, and hanging out in the race long enough to help depress turnout?

    We can play the blame game all day, but unfortunately what’s done is done and the time to take action is yesterday.

    We also need to understand why we got to this place, and saying “who the fuck cares” just emboldens the Dems in power to keep trying the same shit that doesn’t work.

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      8 hours ago

      We also need to understand why we got to this place, and saying “who the fuck cares” just emboldens the Dems in power to keep trying the same shit that doesn’t work.

      We already know how we got here, which is why it doesn’t help anything to bitch and moan about how “both sides suck”.

      Quit your bitching and infighting and blaming everyone else, and focus on what we can do now.

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        7 hours ago

        How does it solve anything beyond the shortest of terms to keep seeing salvation in a party thats been creeping right in line with the Fascists for half a century?

        What will your opinion be in another 5-8 years when the Democrats have followed the Overton window into calling for extralegal deportations of naturalized citizens and Republicans are just calling for the whites to shoot the non-whites in the street with impunity?

        “Better support the Democrats, they only want to deport those people to foreign prisons not execute them on the sidewalk! Get that both sides crap out of here!”

        -You in 5 years, probably.

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        8 hours ago

        We already know how we got here, which is why it doesn’t help anything to bitch and moan about how “both sides suck”.

        Clearly, given how the power structure is doing things differently, right?

        Quit your bitching and infighting and blaming everyone else, and focus on what we can do now.

        Yeah, try to get the establishment to understand a lesson on what failed and have them finally back policies that will encourage people to show up so I don’t have to spend 6 months begging people to vote for them because they fucked the dog yet again?

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      8 hours ago

      The Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee called for using far-right candidates “as a cudgel to move the more established candidates further to the right.” Clinton’s camp insisted that Trump and other extremists should be “elevated” to “leaders of the pack” and media outlets should be told to “take them seriously.”

      Hillary Clinton, the DNC, and mainstream media also played a pretty big role in Trump’s rise to power back in 2016.

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        8 hours ago

        Yep, I’ve bitched about that for the better part of the intervening 8 years. Still not sure if the establishment learned the right lesson from 2016.

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          Most people aren’t even aware. I’ll keep pushing that fact even if it angers people.

          We all loosely share responsibility for Trump rising to power and maintaining said power, and the best way to remove his power is to pull the wool away from everybody’s eyes.

          The Democrats do not represent the people or workers and they will not fight for anybody besides capital. No matter how progressive they brand themselves in the future or how much they claim to want to fight oligarchy. They have zero plan or power — they are not serious actors and my assessment of them has nothing to do with purity testing.

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            8 hours ago

            Well, they’re the only other game in town unless you want to sit back and let the fascists take power because people stayed home like they did this year, our hands are pretty much tied come election day. And that is a fact I will keep repeating as long as people refuse to understand that our country is run via electoral politics and no amount of sitting out will change that.

            I’m all for getting better candidates on the ballot, but when the only alternative is naked fascism, telling people to stay home or not vote for them is a great way of shooting your pet causes in the foot.

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              Well clearly we are already almost at a breaking point just 112 days after the start of his presidency. He is ignoring due process and established rights, he is foregoing his oath to uphold the constitution, and everybody in the administration is openly breaking laws left and right. The administration is also arguably in criminal contempt of court.

              Personally, I don’t think we’ll even make it 2 years into the presidency before protests of a massive scale or a collapse.

              1/3 of the country doesn’t vote in the presidential election, 2/3 are propagandized or coerced into voting for the duopoly. There are many, many people who voted for Trump that likely don’t approve of him now. There are many, many people who voted for Kamala who likely didn’t actually endorse her.

              If a revolution or similar event is going to happen, it’s during this presidency. Otherwise there will be no facade of democracy left to participate in when the next election is supposed to come around. The Democrats aren’t going to save us, the answer isn’t to sit back — it’s to create a new system.