• Lydia_K@lemmy.world
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    15 days ago

    Ah yes, more “don’t bother voting” propaganda.

    The message should be “you need to do more than just vote”

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      15 days ago

      Ah yes, more “don’t bother voting” propaganda.

      the heart of the issue seems to be the legitimacy that voting gives to a system – participate if you chose do, just do so w the awareness of the fact your participation was more beneficial to the status quo than it was to you.

      and, yes, you do need to do more than just vote; but if you lack an understanding of why your increased participate is now necessary you’ll be treading water at best – like the democrats.

      there have been people who’ve been in this situation before and wrote down what they did with the benefit hindsight included – if you look at their stuff you’ll find out what you need to do beyond voting.

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        The system gets legitimacy from the 150 million people who vote. A tiny minority of leftists refusing to participate does not delegitimize the system one iota. As a cis hetero white man, honestly my vote either way doesn’t affect me all that much, other than maybe being thrown in jail for leftist organizing. But it also doesn’t really affect the status quo either. I vote to benefit the people who would suffer under one choice more than the other: people of color, women, the LGBTQ community, immigrants, etc.

        And yes, obviously we need to build an alternative where no one suffers, but that takes time. Personally, I prefer to at least attempt to minimize the suffering of others during that time. Accelerationism is sociopathy.

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          I vote to benefit the people who would suffer under one choice more than the other: people of color, women, the LGBTQ community, immigrants, etc.

          The people being Palestinians, got it.

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            15 days ago

            No, they’re suffering either way. My heart, and some of my money, goes out to them. But their suffering is not dependent on my vote. If it was, I would vote that way. But it isn’t.

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              15 days ago

              Absolute spineless follower shit, you would 100% have done nothing to oppose slavery

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                Like most people in all of history we wouldn’t have opposed the normalized oppression of other people, yes this is a fact.

                But you are saying people during slavery were wrong for voting in favor of less slavery because it didn’t start with full human rights for slaves so they shouldn’t have voted at all.

                People aren’t spineless for believing in a different strategy and even if they where, you are not selling your point of view very well. The sucess of your strategy would mean conving enough people not to vote and just name calling is not doing much.

                There is the obvious Problem of all democracies and especially the US System but i don’t really see how more power to republicans will ever come close solving this.

                I am very open to all kinds of strategies but i have yet to see any kind of data that suggests even more fascism will lead to a better outcome.

  • Midnight@slrpnk.net
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    15 days ago

    Anti state violence meme

    Hell yea

    Posted by someone furiously jerking off to an imperialist invasion

    The irony could not be more palpable