Note that I’m not necessarily opposed to her facing consequences for killing him – my issue is with how gleefully NYPost is framing it as if she just attacked him out of the blue and shoehorning her into the “evil transgenders” stereotype
I’m opposed to her facing consequences for killing him. If it had been a white woman killing a black postal worker in self defense, we wouldn’t be here. Shed be paraded around like the poster child of the American Fascist Party.
Correct. You would not be defending a cisgender murderer. On the the “right side” gets to do whatever they want.
Its insane how every single trans and queer person is expected to be perfect law abiding citizens or suddenly the act of being Queer makes you a murderer. They used the same justification during the Holocaust to murder Jews and they’re using the justification to murder Palestinians.
If she’d strangled a homeless person in the subway instead, she’d be a national hero.
Can’t really expect better from that rag
Link?
Did he attack her though? Seems from the articles I read that she spat on him first. That’s the attack.
It also seems she was arrested 5 times prior for knife crimes.
Im fairly positive there is no self defense claim for stabbings in NY as there aren’t in many places.
There’s a reason they tell you NOT to use a knife in a self defense scenario. It is nearly impossible to defend especially if you kill the attacker.
I think you statistically have a better chance of getting away with “executioner style” shots with a gun than knife use in self defense.
Knives are tools not weapons.
A knife fight cuts everyone. That’s why it’s a shit weapon.
Not if you study the blade. Like me.
I’m sorry your joke didn’t land, I, for one, snorted air out my nostrils quite handily.
Kid. Don’t. Ok. Just dont
lol tough room
Nope just too many real edgelords. If you were joking, my apologies
Not everyone on the internet understands sarcasm unless you put a “/s” unfortunately.
Hey, clear handwritten correspondence used to be a thing, so the jokes were easy to see. Now everyone is just saying whatever, so it’s hard to tell
Also, there are real people who say that, so…
“I separate them. The mail guy in the front, the lady she was in back. She spit on him, in his face. And mail guy, he got mad. Lemon juice next to the coffee machine, he threw on her. So she took the knife,” the deli worker said.
Witnesses claimed that, in an instant, Cruz pulled out a knife and fatally stabbed Hodge.
Yeah
Cruz stands a towering 6 feet 5 inches tall. Witnesses to the murder described her as huge, and said she appeared to be high on drugs during her confrontation with Hodges.
…
Well thanks for adding a +1 to the womens murder rate and not to mens, we need it
Trans woman. The murder rate figure will still lean men side. Probably
TBH this community is pretty consistent for these sort of takes. Rage no matter how impotent is welcome here, but they issue warnings to people who want to de-escelate and look at the facts.
There’s 15 very big reasons that say it was certainly not self-defence.
The last sentence isn’t about the trans woman but the author describing themselves.
I hope she gets acquitted.
They are quotes from the victim’s family members at the trial. This woman murdered someone because someone called her a transphobic name after she cut the line at a deli. She isn’t a good person.
You know how many trans people commit suicide because they are ridiculed, spat at, hit, degraded in all sorts of circumstances all the time?
If people are more afraid to treat trans people like shit, that means fewer trans kids and trans people killing themselves.
She likely saved more lives by 1 death. There should be a culture of fear around disrespecting trans people. I am glad assholes will be more afraid that the trans person they dislike could have a knife and could stab them. She’s an American Hero.
Also fuck you. Now multiply that by 1000, all the time, every day, and that’s how trans people feel all the time you stupid ignorant fuck.
I truly hope you get the help you need because this was a mentally ill entitled person who chose to murder someone because they got called a name after the transwoman cut everyone in line.
They aren’t a hero who did something that benefits anyone because most rational people will read the story and see her at fault at every step. The mailman should not have called her a f****t but honestly I have been called that thousands of times as a bi guy and I havent murdered anyone so what’s her excuse?
I’m a trans woman. Self defense? Stabbing someone 14 times to death and talking about how much you loved it and would do it again? That’s pretty plainly not self defense. Even if you are happy a transphobe got atabbed to death (please, develop some empathy) she clearly deserves the sentence she got. Trans people are just people, some of us are evil bastards, just like all the other people. I’ve gotten slurs yelled at me, I would fight back if I needed to, but I’d never take sadistic glee in murdering someone. Please, consider what I’ve said. Try to understand why I said it. Don’t bother ranting at me in a reply, I’m preemptively blocking you because I truly don’t believe you want to do anything but argue.
Cruz claimed that Hodges had ridiculed her with homophobic remarks and struck her several times before she pulled a knife and fatally stabbed him.
I wish I was as cool as her
You wish you were so fragile and evil of a human being that you would murder people who insulted you?
Please get help. You are not ok if this is what you think.
He didn’t get killed because he insulted someone. He got killed because he thought he could assault a trans woman and get away with it.
He was murdered because he called someone a name. That caused her to spit on him which he responded to by striking her. At every turn she was the aggressor.
At no point was the transwoman in the right. She cut people in line. She acted rudely when called out. She murdered someone.
Your framing of the situation is at best incredibly inaccurate.
He was murdered because he called someone a name. That caused her to spit on him which he responded to by striking her. At every turn she was the aggressor.
I don’t think you know what that word means. Not only he was a transphobe piece of shit and started the whole confrontation in that specific way, at every turn he chose to escalate despite the involvement of the bystanders to pacify the situation. You just don’t have the right to enact violence on people, sometimes you find that out the hard way.
She starts the whole conflict by cutting in line according to witnesses.
She escalates the situation by spitting on the guy which is assault in NYC
He hits her after she spits on him so he has already been attacked according to the law and is responding to it (had he not been murdered they both should have been arrested for this).
She then murders him. There is no defense for this that can legally be presented because he was unarmed.
There is no justification for her actions at any step. She is 100% at fault and should never see the light of day ever again as she has a history of knife violence.
I only stab people with consent. I wish I was brave enough to get dirty with a transphobe’s blood ☺️🤤😋
Welp, at least he isn’t going to call anyone else slurs anymore, that’s definitely a plus.
Maybe read the story before sharing your opinion
this post is about the headline right? So I reacted on that headline alone.
Maybe that is their opinion after reading it?
So someone spitting on another person after being called out for jumping ahead in line then stabbing them 15 times after that other person reacts to bring spat on isn’t evil?
I didn’t say their opinion was a good one lol.
that’s breitbart level of misinformation right here
467 upvotes, lemmy. Congrats, you’re as full of shit as right wingers.
Here’s a news source with an account of what allegedly happened. Of course nothing has been proven in court yet.
According to the charges, Hodge was at the store’s sandwich counter when Cruz cut in line, leading a dispute between the pair. After a witness separated them, Cruz allegedly went into their bag while Hodge’s back was turned, retrieved a knife and threatened him with it.
Prosecutors said Cruz then allegedly threw a plastic bottle at Hodge before lunging at him, stabbing him multiple times in the chest, neck, and arms. After a struggle in which Hodge attempted to wrestle the weapon away from her, he collapsed. A witness reported hearing Cruz remark: “He deserved it.”
Hodges was rushed to Harlem Hospital, where he was pronounced dead.
“This alleged broad-daylight stabbing shook the neighborhood, including the deli workers and customers who witnessed the attack,” said District Attorney Bragg. “My thoughts are with those grieving the loss of Ray Hodge, a postal worker and beloved father of two.”
After her arrest, Cruz reportedly admitted to police that she stabbed Hodge with a knife she carried for “protection.” Cruz also allegedly referred to Hodge as a racial slur.
Not sounding good.
“He rolls up his sleeves, and then he hits my client, and every time he approaches her, she backs up. And he approaches her again, she backs up until she’s all the way at the refrigerator and then when he’s still berating her and calling her a f**got and a tranny, she spat at him,” Schuman said. “You can see on the video that she’s saying to him, leave me alone. But he doesn’t leave her alone. He attacks her again.”
So there is an alleged video with contradicts a lot of what the witnesses say. I’d be cautious of defending this one. If it turns out that the lawyer is just exaggerating an unclear video, youre probably going to get tricked into defending an awful person. Again.
Cruz (the stabber) plead guilty.
The stabbing isn’t the question, the question is whether it was self defense or murder.
Yea, as awful as the NY Post is for framing it this way, this ain’t about them being trans. She bought a knife, wanted to stab someone, picked a fight and continually escalated (she fucking spat on him, sorry but bodily fluids are an assault and the dude had every right to treat it as being hit) until she pulled a knife in an encounter she started.
Got hit three times before pulling a knife? Just cuz she was too fucking slow to stab him after the first hit like she wanted to.
Can’t believe there’s people defending this.
She bought a knife, wanted to stab someone
Sorry, but when a “news” journal is that deep into batshit clickbait propaganda, you can’t use other articles written by them as a source of truth. Hell the second article isn’t even an article it’s just a statement with no source, wrapped in acid.
I’m not saying she’s innocent or that it was called for, but there’s no reliable truth in that article other than the man is dead.
Guns aren’t allowed in New York, She’s trans, needs to protect herself. It was a steak knife, not exactly a weapon you use to fight someone for funsies.
If she was pure evil, she would have gotten 25 years. They gave her 15 because she was in the wrong, but it wasn’t black and white.
Here’s CBS.
https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/usps-worker-stabbed-to-death-in-harlem/
Keep being a heroic dumbass
well that’s a GREAT way to get blocked, don’t let the door hit ya!
For posting an article proving many points of your statement to be incorrect?
Do you find it unacceptable or rude just to correct you? Or just tone because you need people to only interact with you the way you want?
Nah, I already read half a dozen articles on it from outside the US.
It was the nasty little comment. There’s no excuse for that tone here. If you can’t argue in good faith without being nasty, they get blocked.
I had already read the take from several neutral news sources that had dug further and clarified their information without going out of their way to be pejorative.
Also of note, when arguing, you don’t just go nuh uh and post a single link for someone to read. My problem was clearly with the tone of the bad-faith source they originally used. But then, if you go and look at their post history, they’re just constantly trolling.
Their account has a lengthy history of negative karma, and I don’t have time for that. Honestly, none of us should put up with that. Block the people being nasty and move on.
Her case is over, she plead out, she is sentenced. she got a middle of the road sentence for the crime.
Now, let’s suppose we do cover that article that is in your own words, “proving many points of your statement to be incorrect”. What exactly do you say that disproves? It says it happened, that’s certainly not up for debate. It says Hodge died, and she was arrested and charged with murder. Then then paraphrase the deli managers statement “According to the deli worker, in that instant, the woman pulled out a knife and stabbed Hodge in the stomach.”
There isn’t anything in that article that is substantially against my statement. You should consider re-reading what I wrote and understand I didn’t claim she didn’t do it, and wasn’t in any case innocent.
But, if you go and read any one of the other articles, or, what has been listed otherwise in this post, (or the actual coverage of the evidence in the court case) There was back and forth. Spitting and insults were raised, tensions were high, he might have thrown a bottle at her and likely called her names. She threatened him before stabbing him.
Rich and another customer tried to intervene, but neither Cruz nor Hodge wanted to back down, Rich said. ‘I got in between them - twice,’ said Rich, who remembered another woman joining her and trying to get Hodge to stand down. ‘Don’t to this, you have a good job, let this go,’ Rich recalled the other woman saying. Rich said Hodge, however, took his coat off and said to Cruz, ‘You want to stab me?’
Yeah, she’s guilty AF, but it wasn’t premeditated. She has some psychological issues, but she’s not some satan hellspawn looking for people to stab. She needs help, it’s good that she’s off the street. It’s fucking Harlem man, if someone threatens to stab you, take em at their word.
I’m guessing that people are defending transgenders in general and this shitbait NY post article frames it in. Away that isn’t too far off from insinuating that all trans are “pure evil”.
Hell, “trans” shouldn’t have been in the headline as it is of no consequence to what happened. Whatever the reason for the incident, she didn’t stab the guy because she’s trans. One human stabbed another, that one was trans or black or green for all I care doesn’t matter and it is very hard not to feel that this bit was added just to sow division amongst people
Duh, because it’s the NY Post. They are trash. That’s why most comments have even been prefacing statements about the defendant talking about how shitty the Post is.
it’s a dogwhistle. they’re implying that trans people are mentally ill and that the postal worker is a victim of inaction with or indulgence in the trans population.
It’s the same reason why all the chuds started banging out about how violent trans people/leftists are when that trans man (
if i remember correctlyi did) shot up a school a year or so ago.despite the fact that the overwhelming amount of school shooters are cis right wing incels
“I killed him laughing. Oh, well. I’ll piss on his grave.”
Sorry, but this IS pure evil.
Yeah, I’m trans and find this pretty indefensible. I’ve gotten slurs yelled at me, I’ve never started a physical fight over it and certainly never fucking stabbed someone 14 times to death.
Wild that in the article it says he hit her 3 times before she stabbed him.
Yeah. Stabbed him 14 times. Laughing while doing it. Talking about how much she loved it. How she wanted to do it again. Self defense is more than fine, it’s damn good to stand up for yourself, but spitting on someone and escalating it into a fight that you use as an excuse to kill someone is unacceptable. If it was a Republican who spat on someone, starting a fight before shooting them 14 times, saying how much he loved shooting her and how he’d love to do it again, I’d say that’s indefensible and he’s an evil bastard, just like this woman is.
Self-defense endong in the attackers death doesn’t make the killer a bad person. The facts of this circumstance, as I know and understand them (which very well may be flawed, it’s not like I was there) lead me to the conclusion that she’s an evil bastard. Trans people are just fucking people. We can be evil bastards, the same as everyone else. We may be at higher risk of violence due to hateful bigots, but that doesn’t excuse the act of murder. The act of killing, sure, if necessary in the course of self defense. However, as I know and understand what happened (and seemingly the jury as well), that was not the case here.
Hate me if you want to, I’m used to it. I just want to speak out because I have seen the whole “excuse terrible actions from your side no matter what and refuse to look at reality” thing from shitbag republicans SO MUCH and I hate to see allies doing it too.
Yeah, I’d probably feel worse for her if she seemed to have felt anything about this. There’s no reason to ever feel happy about having killed someone. Perhaps relieved as in a “it’s finally over” kind of way. But finding the fact that you’ve killed someone funny? Not reasonable whatsoever. He shouldn’t have called her slurs, but words deserve words, actions deserve action. Fuck both of them.
Giggles
Look at all the heroic liberals blindly defending a psycho.
Read the fucking article
Most people are not defending her, but are instead upset by the blatantly bigoted framing of the article.
Read the fucking headline.
Uhhh. No I am actually seeing at least half of the conversation in here being about how they did nothing wrong and should have stabbed the post-worker.
Literally on my comment is someone making up a version of the story based in the OP version of the story to declare an innacurate version of this event.
He threw a plastic bottle and she then stabbed him to death. She was charged with 2nd degree murder and pleaded guilty.
Yeah, as much as this framing of “pure evil” is nonsense, where they quote the family of the deceased - everything I found does not make this a legitimate case of self-defense, even if 100% of her story is true.
Quoting from this one:
https://www.nydailynews.com/2025/05/30/jaia-cruz-admits-stabbing-postal-worker-death-harlem-deli-sentenced/Cruz’s attorney claimed his client, a transgender woman, lashed out against Hodges because the 36-year-old postal worker had made a slur “about her gender identity.”
Hodges and Cruz were waiting in the sandwich line at the deli counter at Joe’s Grocery, on Lenox Ave. near W. 118th St., on Jan. 2 when the postal worker accused her of cutting the line.
Cruz claimed that Hodges had ridiculed her with homophobic remarks and struck her several times before she pulled a knife and fatally stabbed him.
She showed no remorse for her actions when interviewed by detectives at the 28th Precinct in Harlem.
“I hope he’s maggot food,” Cruz told detectives, according to court documents. “I killed him laughing. Oh, well. I’ll piss on his grave.”
While there is some sympathy for her there with me, understanding that some things can just make you snap - unless there are very different laws at play, answering harrassment over a fight over cutting in line with several repeated stabs is legally never self-defense.
And while morally, not “pure evil” by a long shot, and them presenting it as such is despicable - but trans people are people, and people can do shitty people things, like murder someone in overreaction when a fight escalates. The other guy using slurs, and even striking her is no excuse, if you pull a knife during a fistfight, and then repeatedly stab the other person - with witnesses reporting they tried to break up the fight, so potential for de-escalation was there - even if they are scum and started the thing, you are not just defending yourself, you got angry and out of that anger - no matter how justified that anger was - you killed a person.
Ahh the good ole broken post
She stabbed him because he was s mail man?
The fuck?
Not helping dude
How bad is your reading comprehension?
Here is CBS’s coverage of the event:
A deli worker told CBS News New York that Hodge was ordering a sandwich when a woman at the counter got angry and began arguing with him over who was first in line to order. According to the deli worker, in that instant, the woman pulled out a knife and stabbed Hodge in the stomach. USPS confirmed Hodge was a letter carrier assigned to Manhattan.
It appears to have started over a dispute over who was first in line. It’s up to you to decide if that’s a rational reason to attack someone with a knife, regardless of your sexuality / gender identity.
https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/usps-worker-stabbed-to-death-in-harlem/
In this version nobody attacked her.
Ny post is still anti -trans regardless
