We do not need our bodies once we leave this world regardless of what you think happens after we die. We should be focused on curing diseases and extending the life of living humans. Science would go so far if we used human bodies after death instead of requiring people to give consent to something they don’t need.
No, fuck that fuck you and fuck capitalism. We are already exploited enough in life, now we’ll also have to not only be sour in that we are also exploited in death, but also that at the first nail through or difficult cough our health services will “mysteriously” fail to treat us so that the kid over next door can have an extra kidney and the interns on the big corpo who made the last donation have an extra body minus kidney to jerk off to.
in america your body is likely to go to the military so some 19 year old can cut off your head and shove fireworks in the hole
In some countries that is the default option
Just switch it to opt out, not opt in. In Australia you can opt in to organ donation but many people don’t care either way. My partner would definitely opt out because they don’t feel OK with it, and fair enough, but most people actually don’t care and would go with the default.
Problem is, lots of them just get given to cops to play with.
If i knew it was gonna get cut up to train new surgeons or study how i died or figure out how i didn’t so many times, I’d be on board.
But there’s no way yo be sure it won’t be a chew toy for cops. So I’ll be cremated.
You do have sources for a claim that fucking extreme, right?
Sure. But if you cared and didn’t just want to argue, you’d have searched it by now. I’m not childish enough to think good sources will convince anyone of anything.
That’s what someone who made shit up would say.
You can check. I think someone else cited a source.
Congrats, you work against your own causes. If you aren’t willing (or more likely able) to back up your claims, I’m just gonna assume you’re full of shit and move on 🤷♂️
In my experience, a good source doesn’t change that.
Exactly.
Sorry wait what are the cops doing with the bodies?
i’m sure there’s far more to this but here’s one interesting article on the subject
A body donated to science - but used to test bombs: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49198405
of course this is less of a worry in countries other than the US. But tbh if i lived there i’d still give the ok as there’s still a chance of my corpse being put to some better use than ash or worm food
Basically chew toy.
This opinion is unpopular because science doesn’t need that many bodies and organ shortages are already solved by opt-out systems, so it’s just being a tyrant for no gain over far simpler solutions.
Organ shortages are definitely not covered by opt in.
Opt out also doesn’t mean that scientist have to use all the bodies.
It’s never been a problem to have too many bodies. It’s a lot easier to turn away some when they’re not needed than it is to find one when needed.
No one person can make that determination or all of us. Also, have you looked into what actually happens when a body gets donated. Here is John Oliver’s investigation:
I want my remains spread around Disney World. Also I do not wish to be cremated.
Probably an unpopular reply, but I already have enough fear of organ harvesting. I don’t need the government to one day decide that there are too many people on waiting lists so they’re just gonna pull feeding tubes or some other drastic dystopian level shit they’re probably really thinking about. Maybe kill off a few minorities or poor people or the handicapped while we’re already ignoring body autonomy and basic human rights?
If they’re gonna go that far, do you really think your consent matters at all?
It’s the only thing that matters.
And who is going to enforce it? Why can’t they just fake it?
I’m confused by your statements. Are you for or against them pilfering our bodies for usable parts after we die? If me allowing them to do it isn’t even an option, WTF are we even talking about?
I’m against people deciding to pull the feeding tubes of others to get more organs. At the same time, it’s a ridiculous belief to think they won’t just do that because you don’t consent. If they decide to go that far, your consent doesn’t matter in the least.
It’s the difference between thinking there’s a tyrannical government and thinking the government is gonna leave you in a seedy motel bath tub full of ice. It doesn’t seem like much but it’s a pretty big gap.
That’s wishful thinking. How would anyone know that the government decided to pull someones feeding tube & use their organs? You think they can’t control the doctors & coroners? You think just because they don’t have a piece of paper saying “I consent” they can’t fake such a piece of paper?
No, but I’m still not going to consent. When governments step out of bounds sometimes people give them consequences. Sometimes.
No-one’s gonna want my organs by the time I’m done with them. I’m not too keen on them myself at this point.
This is a proper unpopular opinion because, as someone who received an organ transplant from a deceased donor, I disagree with it.
I am a huge advocate for organ donation for obvious reasons but I don’t think it should come at the cost of bodily autonomy.
If my body is valuable my family should get paid for it. The healthcare industry certainly is when they use the organs.
Probably why there’s such a push for people to become donors. Don’t consider the needs of the sick, but of the shareholders.
Yeah. I’d happily give it for free if the whole system was structured that way but if there’s profit being made from me I want my family to get a cut.
Some doctors and scientists are really fucked up and value their experiements over human life. If bodies become a resource they can claim, some patients may not get the care they deserve because the body would be valuable to their studies and experiments.
There is also concerns for the organ market.
Culturally, humans have long standing and many unique traditions for caring for their dead. Someone and their remaining family should not be denied their funeral rights because science wants their body.
A better option would be increasing the amount of awareness for these programs so that people willing to donate their body or organs are informed of their existence and goals and can choose to donate.
I disagree.
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-bodybrokers-industry/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1800998/
the list is endless. humans are shit, even after you’re dead.
I’ll take my cremation and fuck humanity of any further support.
In fairness, pretty much any subject will have some negatives that could be pointed to and touted as an excuse for not doing something.
If there’s even a 1% chance of your body being properly useful to science in some way, and therefore humanity at large, it’s worth the odds.
Though I’d bet good money that the amount of mutilation and whatnot isn’t particularly common for science bound bodies. Much easier to steal some organs from the morgue bodies marked for non collection.
If there’s even a 1% chance of your body being properly useful to science in some way, and therefore humanity at large, it’s worth the odds.
my body, my choice. if body donation was mandatory I’d self-immolate so there’s nothing left after.
I don’t know why body autonomy is such a hard concept to grasp for people. literally the only thing you can “own” is yourself. this ownership doesn’t end after death, you just can’t make decisions known after your death. this is why it’s always been taboo to perform anything but last rites to the dead.
just to note, I’m not religious at all. I believe that after death you cease to exist. that said, the image of my body being slaughtered like a pig for some corporate gains makes me sick and honestly might turn me into an extremist faction and compel me to take action against corporate interests.
I was only meaning that 1% chance bit in reference to someone that had chosen to donate their body to science.
I am for opt out instead of opt in, but making it mandatory would be a step too far. At the same time I find the two opinions of ‘my body my choice’ and ‘after death you cease to exist’ to be a bit counter posed.
I would instead suggest what already occurs in today’s reality: write your wishes down, and hope your wishes are followed by your descendants, or your family, or your executor, or your attorney.
Unfortunately for anyone’s wishes, that’s all they are - wishes. Unless one go to rather significant lengths to erect checks and balances to the following of your desires, whichever individual remains after our demise can simply do away with whatever they please and have an auction to the rich for extra parts while taking sponsorships from big oil.
Forgive this awful joke, I wrote it and can't bring myself to erase it.
Even setting yourself ablaze would leave some ashes for big tobacco to purchase the rights for and derive a new Flamin’ Hot Cheeto cigarette designed specifically for the female low income high school student market to help stave off those pregnancy cravings and keep that rockin’ bod.
The morgue bodies may not have as high quality of organs or may not match genetically. If a billionaire puts a bounty on a liver that fits them genetically and has barely been abused, someone is going to be looking to cash in.
I wish I could live in that timeline where all morgue attendants got a page when the world’s 1% needs a good looking kidney hahaha.
Here in the UK all everyone is automatically on the donation list, you have to opt out, not opt in like a lot of countries.
