For me it would probably be Canada. Seems like we share alot of values with them, and we could do more trading than we do today.

Especially if they also will have tensions with the US, it would be a win win.

But what do you guys think? Northern Africa would be an obvious choice in the future, but I don’t know if they’re ready.

PS. This is not a post talking about leave the US entirely. Ofc not. It would just be better for us to work with others and expand our worldview a little.

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    Russia. It’s not just Trump going into weird directions. The US is losing power as a whole and the only countries losing power quicker are it’s allies.

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      The US is losing power for sure, but not slower than it’s allies. Europe can’t just plug and play the US immediately, but they have considerably less problems than Americans.

      And just to be clear: I’m not advocating for a US boycott. Just less cooperation than today.

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        less problems

        We EU citizens are on the verge of collapse as we’re about to starve the goose laying the golden eggs,
        the German car industry, in favor of US subservience.
        There are 0 attempts to save VW, BMW and Mercedes from Tesla, while walls are enacted against BYD and other Chinese car companies.

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      They will. The current elites don’t want to, but they are destroying their countries to please the US to the point of Ukraine 2014. But Ukraine had neighbouring Poland to look up to. There won’t be a neighbouring nation to look up to other than Russia.

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    We’re still cooperating a lot with China, despite all she human rights concerns.

    Some billionaire like Frenchman Bolloré are using the same strategy as Musk and Murdoch to push their propaganda and far right does well in elections

    While we are a it more economically progressive than US, it’s not like gay rights or drug legalisation or even abortion are widely accepted.

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      The whole world is not moving right in the same way as the US right now.

      In Europe we get more rights, and in the US you loose your right to abortion entirely.

      The US is now trying to take Panama, Canada and Greenland, which sounds alot like dictatorships like Russia and China.

      So no, no one else in the western world is moving towards that. But I’m sure both Musk and Zuckerberg want you to see it that way on their platforms.

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        What rights do you have in Europe that we don’t have in the US?

        In Europe we get more rights, and in the US you loose your right to abortion entirely.

        That’s not true at all. In fact, lots of states give access to abortion much longer than Europe does. And before anyone says healthcare, we do have universal healthcare, it’s just used as a safety net rather than a default. Every American has access to it as long as they meet financial requirements. I spent 4 years on it myself and it was great.

        The US is not trying to take anything, we’re negotiating prices for territorial strategies.

        I think whatever news you watch or listen to is fear mongering.

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          What rights do you have in Europe that we don’t have in the US?

          Easy. Privacy.

          Right to our data. Freedom to choose an App Store, search engine etc for our phones. Geo-locking is illegal for our digital services. We could continue?

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            We have the right to privacy too, though the tech version you lay out here are more robust. Our right is to not purchase the products that require us to give access to our data. There are ways to keep private online, but it is much more difficult.

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              Our right is to not purchase the products that require us to give access to our data.

              You can’t hear how that sounds? Congratulations, you are allowed to NOT buy something.

              You’re not even told when they steal your data, because there’s not even a rule for that either.