• spezz@lemmynsfw.com
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      False equivalence. Firing someone for saying racist shit isnt the same a removing a person from a website because she is a woman.

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      Deleted the record of a women’s scientific achievements isn’t the same as firing (or declining to renew a contract) of someone who’s falsifying test results or just being an ass.

      I wonder which person you’re actually referring to. Have a few names we can “peer review”?

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      Huh. The only possible reason to conflate cancel culture with erasure is if you’re such a shit person with truly deplorable views that being forced to just fucking be polite feels like an attack on your person.

      Everyone knows the dog whistle involved here, buddy.

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        I don’t think I follow that train of thought. What do you think cancel culture was except the systematic erasure of people with “undesirable” viewpoints?

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          I don’t think I follow that train of thought.

          Duh. Not being allowed to do offensive shit without consequence is obviously upsetting to you. So, yeah, of course you didn’t follow a train of thought that includes common decency.

          What do you think cancel culture was except the systematic erasure of people with “undesirable” viewpoints?

          I think actions have consequences. I think a person who has any actual courage will accept that fact. What, do you think bigotry and prejudice shouldn’t be “undesirable”? What, you afraid of just…not being an ass???

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            Okay, so instead of focusing on making solid arguments, you been spending much of your time on name calling and insulting my intelligence instead. Is that what you consider common decency? Or should there be consequences for that?

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              Oh go cry yourself a river to drown in.

              Yeah, no shit I’m not “debating in good faith”. Duh. Why the fuck would I bother?? Like, seriously, there’s nothing clever in that “asking questions” approach.

              And, if you’re gonna cry about ‘solid arguments’, fund one yourself. Facts don’t care about your feelings, remember???

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        Sadly, that stooge isn’t even self aware enough to realize it’s trolling. Which makes feeding trolls so, just, tedious these days. No fun in it at all!! 😡

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      Actually, this situation isn’t about cancel culture at all. Cancel culture typically refers to public backlash resulting in personal or professional consequences for offensive or harmful behavior. What happened here seems to be a systemic decision to remove content highlighting women in STEM at NASA.

      This isn’t driven by public outcry or social pressure; it’s a form of institutional erasure. There’s a big difference between being held accountable for harmful actions and having your achievements wiped out due to a policy change.

      These two things shouldn’t be conflated.

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          1. On Cancel Culture: The term “cancel culture” typically refers to public backlash leading to personal or professional consequences for perceived offensive behavior. In the case of the NASA bio removal, it appears to be an internal policy decision, not a result of public outcry.

          2. On Government Influence and Social Media: While there have been instances where government entities have interacted with social media platforms regarding content moderation—such as the Biden administration’s efforts to curb COVID-19 misinformation—this differs from “cancel culture.” These actions involve governmental attempts to manage public health information, which has sparked debates about free speech and censorship.

          3. On the Lab Leak Theory: The origins of COVID-19 have been extensively debated. Agencies like the FBI and the Department of Energy have assessed, with varying degrees of confidence, that a lab leak is a plausible origin. However, this remains a separate issue from the NASA bio removal and the broader discussion of cancel culture.

          Bringing up these points seems to divert from the initial discussion about the removal of a NASA bio highlighting a woman’s achievements in STEM. It’s essential to distinguish between institutional decisions, public backlash, and government policies.

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      The order to end dei in government positions. Women are included in diversity equity and inclusion. Nasa is a government agency, so it makes sense. Is it good? Absolutely not, just the wacky world we have to live in.

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      A lot of this was internal and will only be seen in documentaries down the road… if there will even be a road

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    She sounds kind of sexist. Why does it matter what sex she is? Shouldn’t everyone be treated equally regardless of sex?

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      Wow.

      You have so consistently dehumanized the women in your life that this statement actually makes sense to you? Like, it’s pretty well known that women are a minority in STEM fields. What the hell you so afraid of, that celebrating a woman’s accomplishments offense you so???

      Maybe stop trying to gain power over other human beings. Cause the path you’re currently on? You fucking know where it leads. And no, dragging others down will never change the hellscape of fear and paranoia you have found. You have to walk out of the valley of despair; there is no other escape.

    • Jerkface (any/all)@lemmy.ca
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      The irony of posting this in the context of someone who had been effaced specifically because of their sex is overpowering.

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      I’m sorry… she sounds sexist because when she talked about the article on her at nasa she mentioned… her dreams… her being raised poor… her being homeless… and… her getting a job at Nasa despite all that. Huh oh wait weird I missed the part where she made it all about her being a woman? because… she didn’t even do that? She wasn’t even highlighting that she is important as a role model to women in STEM. Didn’t even mention it in the part discussing the article that was erased. She was highlighting being a role model of achieving her dream job even though she was poor and homeless at one point. And was simply pointing out that it is being erased BECAUSE she is a woman. and you are calling HER sexist? Are you high? Can you read? You just enter a fugue state when you see the word women and make shit up that didn’t happen so you can feel better about yourself? Cuz I’m super confused how you can get sexist from what she said without just assuming she’s sexist because she is a woman.

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      She does not sound sexist. She sounds justifiably upset that the organization she works for and clearly loves is trying to erase her her involvement in it just because she is a woman.

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      Oh geez that would be great wouldn’t it. But it sounds like you’ve never had some tell you that you can’t do something because of your sex. Highlighting successful minorities in a field inspires and encourages others in their same position.

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      To get people trested equally, you need to apply positive bias towards women whom would otherwise be treated unfairly by the current systemic biases.

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    They want something not that different from the Taliban. Subservient women existing only to make and raise kids.

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      Americans doing something americanly in america: “what are we, a bunch of asians?”

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    I will feel mad as fuck for you and use this as evidence when people say these EOs aren’t hurting anyone other than illegal immigrants.

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      It’s the feel-good story that Republicans talk about when they say “pull yourself up by your bootstrap” but they’re upset because that’s only supposed to work for white men.

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    I sympathize, but, works at NASA, complaining about the erasure of women through anti-DEI… Still on Threads.

    …come on lady, it’s not Rocket Science. Don’t support billionaire funded platforms.

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          Seriously though. Publicity doesn’t make you a person. You know who else thinks it does. Trump. And thinking that way gets us more people in control who care more about image than doing anything. A better ending to that post would have focused on the accomplishments, not the person. Like noting that it was that easy to make womens accomplishments dissapear or something like that.

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        Do you suppose they would have received fewer downvotes if they rephrased their comment such that the first part conveys empathy and the second part recommends to try other platforms?

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      “She should smile more” but for using what it at least not Twitter.

      Oh my god shut the fuck up.

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    It happened to me in October 2018 and again in April 2024. Erasure by DEI programs and of the people supported by them kills a part of you.

    You never really know how to feel. You just get increasingly dead inside.

    At least I have two weeks of food left.

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      Erasure of DEI programs? DEI doesn’t erase I just wanna make sure I’m understanding you properly.

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              I think they’re clarifying that the removal of the DEI program erased you, not the DEI program itself. It’s a small nit to pick, but then you confirmed it, so I think they just got confused. Words are hard sometimes

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                  You should explain in more detail how that can possibly be the case. What other extenuating circumstances were there? What community or region did this occur in? I’m sorry if this is a hurt you didn’t want to discuss but this makes no sense in the context of DEI programs and their intention.

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                  So the DEI program wasn’t inclusive enough? Would the situation have been better without the DEI program? Just trying to understand the issue, typically DEI has the effect of increasing visibility but it sounds like you had the opposite experience.

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        That’s what it claims to mean, but that’s frankly not how it was implemented.

        Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion are fabulous ideals that result in better science that improves the lives of more people. If properly implemented, they create a better workplace ecosystem that better serves its employees and our nation/planet/community.

        I wish that DEI programs didn’t stand for Demonization, Exclusion, and Inequity.

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          I’ve been reading the whole thread and it looks like you’re blaming an entire program for the bad experience you had with a particular group of people.

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            A particular group of people… who ran the program and used it as a tool of oppression.

            Because of this, I think that it’s valid that I direct my criticisms towards the program. Would you rather I start rattling off names? Or should I focus on the structural inequities that enabled and rewarded these bad actors?

            I suspect that these overreaches of power contributed to the rampant public animosity towards these programs and enabled fascism.

            I hope that someone learns from my criticisms so that we can prevent what happened last year from happening again.

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              Because of this, I think that it’s valid that I direct my criticisms towards the program

              That is exactly the incel mentality. These people did me wrong so I will blame the entirety of what, in my eyes, they represent.

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                No, it’s not incel mentality.

                It’s the mentality of addressing structural issues and inequities instead of symptomatic bad actors.

                It’s the mentality of trying to fix broken systems that wronged me.

                Inequality is structural and needs to be addressed structurally if we want to solve it.

                Blaming people and trying to get revenge by punishing them is the mentality that created the problematic structures that I’m trying to address.

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                  Can you give me a few solid examples or some slides that they shared for your specific DEI program? I’ve done two and it’s some of the most boring and dry shit that I’ve ever listened to.

                  For ours, it was mainly that you can get talent from anywhere. It wasn’t about hating white men or nothing. I mean, at least it wasn’t for the ones that I’ve attended?