• BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
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    but his post on X seemed to celebrate destruction and murder.

    Lol, if Switzerland kicked out every European who generically celebrated destruction or murder, it would be an empty country.

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      Only popular people get onto the radar of Fedpol.

      And Switzerland has swiss citizens, there are not only European people in Switzerland.

      And yea, I agree, that Fedpol does not always do the right decision, meaning false positives and false negatives.

      But with this guy, I agree with fedpol, at least with that little information I have, hope this X posts are really from him and mot a smear campaign.

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        Really? So no popular supporter of Israels genocide has ever been to Switzerland? No supporter of the Iraq War? No popular person who has celebrated murder or destruction by a western power has ever been to Switzerland?

        I’m going to let you in on a secret: Switzerland? It’s actually in Europe.

        And by “doesn’t always make the right decision” you mean it makes its decision based on whether or not it agrees with the particular instance of murder and destruction being celebrated.

        Yes, I gathered you agree with banning free speech you disagree with.

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          I need more evidence than a single entity that was bot let in and is in my opinion ok to not let in to conclude that we have a systemic problem in fedPol

          I hope there are some good quality investigation reports about that

          Supporter and extremist is not the same

          My personal opinion is, that every country has “bad” and “good” people and I have no desire to have extremists in my country

          If fedPol really does such a bad job preventing Israel supporting extremism from entering Switzerland, we indeed have to change that.

          I support free speech and I am thankful for al the crical thinking in this comment thread. We don’t solve problems by ignoring each other.

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            Supporter and extremist is not the same

            Yes, actually, it is.

            My personal opinion is, that every country has “bad” and “good” people and I have no desire to have extremists in my country

            Great, when are you going to be leaving?

            If fedPol really does such a bad job preventing Israel supporting extremism from entering Switzerland, we indeed have to change that.

            You’re not going to though. You will continue to persecute opposition to it though.

            I support free speech

            No. You don’t. You support speech that is not too far from what you believe, but nothing too different.

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              With that definition, I would be an extremist as well, lol

              Not gonna leave a country where we have a working mechanism to make changes in the constitution based on the will of it’s people

              If that is the case, I will donate to organisations who make a proper investigation about it and use its results to issue an initiative changing that. I do that via the party that I am a member of (swiss pirate party)

              😆how do you get to that conclusion, I am all in for free speech, as long as it don’t celebrate violence

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                With that definition, I would be an extremist as well, lol

                Yes, correct. Sounds like you’re finally starting to understand my point.

                Not gonna leave a country where we have a working mechanism to make changes in the constitution based on the will of it’s people

                Oh sorry, I thought you said you don’t want extremists in your country.

                I am all in for free speech, as long as it don’t celebrate violence

                So you are, in fact, not for free speech. Given you apparently don’t think people should be allowed to openly celebrate things like the defeat of the Nazis

                Though I notice you yourself support the violent act of expelling a person from a part of our shared planet.

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                  *extremist because I do support Palestine, and have the opinion that the Israel government has fucked up hard / is to be considered a terror organisation as well.

                  I do not see myself as extremist

                  I support celebrating defence but I do not support invasion

                  And attack a neighbour directly with 1000x power as answer of an event is not only defending

                  To nuance my sentence above

                  I am ok with “i think we need violence to achieve this” etc as opinion

                  But “these dogs need all to be hanged and killed like they were no humans” is not ok.

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                    *extremist because I do support Palestine, and have the opinion that the Israel government has fucked up hard / is to be considered a terror organisation as well.

                    You’re so close.

                    I do not see myself as extremist

                    And I don’t see Hamas supporters as extremist. I do see you as extremist though.

                    I support celebrating defence but I do not support invasion

                    Hamas has never invaded anyone.

                    And attack a neighbour directly with 1000x power as answer of an event is not only defending

                    Ok, and you would have also condemned the allies for invading the Nazis. That’s not a question by the way, that’s just what you believe.

                    But “these dogs need all to be hanged and killed like they were no humans” is not ok.

                    Actually it is, and I consider you an extremist to believe you can claim otherwise.