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We have dms?
That dude is miles and miles beyond obnoxious. I get actively angry to see his moronic comments.
Edit: If you’re in here defending this guy you’re either an idiot, a troll yourself, or his alt.
Getting you actively angry is the point, they’re a troll.
I just posted it here cuz it’s a drama community and drag brings lots of drama
Why? “Sharing dms” what happened
clown down.
legit you cannot convince me this wasn’t trolling, and the fact so many people haven’t been able to tell, for so long, is deeply funny but also somewhat depressing. I blocked them almost as soon as I encountered them. It reeks of bait turned up to 11, like an edgy 16 year old just heard about the concept of making your own pronouns and went “ok how can I make this as stupid as humanly possible to fuck with people?”.
Literally never seen a more obvious person trolling the LGBT+ community, the only way he could have been more clear is if he had chosen Attack Helicopter instead of dragon. I feel just like you, I don’t understand why so many people humored him for so long when he was actively mocking them to their faces.
You haven’t wandered the Fediverse enough, them. By the way, please just respect people’s pronouns, we may never know.
I think with regards to the whole pronouns thing, just because they are a troll doesn’t mean you should ignore their pronoun preference, as it sets a dangerous precedent for when its right or not to do so.
Yeah, it definitely felt like it, considering the amount of silly
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Already said it in !main@lemmy.blahaj.zone but I’ll say it again so others can see it here.
It seems drag was banned from the site for sharing people’s DMs, though I’m sure that’s not the whole story, drag has a history of being banned for way more than just the thing on the label. Looking at the comments on drag’s home instance where it hasn’t been removed, it seems drag was sharing those DMs in attempt to libel Ada for not taking the action drag wanted. That’s on top of the fact that she did not give drag permission to share them. It’s an asshole move for sure, and I have to say if I were in Ada’s shoes I’d do the same.
I believe transparency is desirable and the single party consent rule in regards to private conversations should be the primary accepted doctrine here outside of any communique that is sexual/private and includes nudes and or personal data and could constitute doxxing.
Single party consent, as I myself put my foot in yesterday, is by far not the norm.
That’s your opinion, but many people do not agree with you. I myself would be pissed if you shared our DM convo without asking me first, or even letting me know you were going to. I can see why Ada would and why she did what she did, it’s disrespectful and adversarial.
If its just a friendly convo yeah one parry would def be a dick to share that text dialogue but if you’re involved in a contentious dispute you should just assume your chat is going to be used against you. Single party consent is what allows us to put police and corporations in their place when they are doing shady shit being opposed to it just makes you look like you have something to hide. I know drag is a troll but banning him for posting dm screenshots is just shitty. And then pointing fingers as to who started what and who deserves what after the fact is also shitty. But what evs
Okay? Sure! Be pissed off when someone you trust violates your trust. That’s not what happened here. Strangers on the Internet do not owe you anything. Even if you send them a DM.
Interesting that you say that
Ada was also already wary of drag after the respecting pronouns rule announcement, because a number of blahaj users rightfully pointed out drag is still likely a troll. Fluff around and find out basically.
It ultimately isn’t surprising. Drag has been very sus from the beginning, drag exhibited a lot of behaviors that made me leery. Though at the time I didn’t say anything since it was only a hunch and most people were just voicing transphobic complaints about pronouns.
What made drag feel suspicious?
Either you have issues with reading comprehension or you are an alt of drag. When people say someone is being sus or has been sus they generally mean they as a person are behaving in ways that make others suspicious.
Drag didn’t know Ada didn’t message spujb. Drag was making it clear to spujb and anyone reading the thread that drag wasn’t lying. Drag is sorry to Ada and won’t do it again. Drag tried to tell her earlier today, but drag couldn’t
Careful not to mythologize the characters of people who have just hurt others.
With 100+ comments already this is probably a message delivered too late, but if you are reading this be aware that comments here that digress away from simply keeping history into ogling and ridiculing serve only to feed the needs of a user who already has alt accounts drifting in as we speak.
I’m really amazed how they don’t try very hard to conceal their alts as alts. Change what they refer to themselves as in the third person, and everything else is exactly the same. Low effort.
Drag can’t control how drag’s friends talk. If drag were writing their posts for them, drag would be a lot more careful. Unfortunately, drag doesn’t use disguised alts, and drag’s friends write their own comments themselves. And drag is friends with other queer neurodivergent people who have personalities and values similar to drag’s.
If that is actually true, then I apologise for the assumption.
If you want to get to know someone, the best way is to treat them like a person. And drag would think getting to know somebody is the best way to find out who they are; drag, or someone else. Drag doesn’t think anybody has actually tried to find the truth.
Lemmy is supicious that drag’s friends don’t use Lemmy very often, and mostly just comment whenever drag is upset. Would you want to use Lemmy if your main experience with it was your friend crying because someone misgendered them? When you think of drag’s friends as people, their actions make a lot more sense.
I’m sorry Drag. I have seen enough of the person you show to the community not to want to get to know you. If you’re hurt that’s fine, and you have a right to express that. That right doesn’t extend to telling people to commit suicide. I have no interest in getting to know you further, or the friends/alts (whichever, I’m not currently arguing that point) who support you after having done so repeatedly. A real friend would call someone out for that behavior.
Regardless, I’m not interested in further interaction between us. Enjoy your day.Suicide?
Finally, the anti-trans troll falls out of favor.
Getting banned from Blahaj.Zone is easy. Just disagree with the admin on anything.
If by disagree you mean intentionally misgender people then yes
Don’t forget repeatedly encouraging people to suicide
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🤣 responded to the wrong comment. Deleting it. Sorry for the confusion.
Why is that troll not banned from ALL of lemmy? I don’t get it.
Oh, and for the record; this post and all the comments in it including mine- are exactly why they do what they do.
They feed on the drama. Ban them, and this ends.
That’s effectively impossible as a part of the nature of the fediverse. You could try banning alts on site but it’s really not that hard to have a dozen alts waiting across host of instances.
And when those alts call themselves “drag” what do you think will happen?
They usually don’t. Like with Newbuild, they change who they refer to themselves in 3rd person. But an account saying they are friends with Drag, speaking exactly like Drag, but referring to themselves as, in this case, Bot… Almost zero effort to conceal the alt as an alt.
Mods will ban them, they will make a new account and carry on.
Bans only work for normal people.
I guarantee he’s very attached to the drama he has caused using the “drag” account. Staring all over with another one will be a pain in the ass.
Correction bans only work for people who respect the paradigm of “not being allowed to sign up again when banned” and “not being allowed to lie on registration application” if it’s present on the server.
Normal people don’t get permabanned from servers left, right, and center.
Reeks of big brother, but I wonder if there’s a way to device ban.
If you could force users to use an app like Reddit does you could get device data. Though short of that not really. Browser fingerprinting and tracking cookie placement (What Reddit uses in their web session) is described that way by lay people (and people trying to fear monger or dissuade ban evasion) but Browsers like Tor or Mullvad defeat that very easily by not saving the data and randomizing the fingerprinting data.
Most Lemmy users wouldn’t use a locked down black box app similar to the Reddit app though. It would be a red flag for many of them. An instance which requires that would not be popular.
That tracks. And is a good thing actually. Thanks for taking the time to write this up. Appreciate it!
You’d have to distinguish drag from others using drag neopronouns for fun and or profit. Drag thinks this would be fun for a while, if only to prove drags point dragself.
Did they ever use dragself? I bet they did. Well never know now.
Pretty sure they did use “dragself” a few times. Can’t bother to dig up the comments
This makes my head hurt.
If they follow the rules, they are always welcome in Casual Conversation.
I do not understand the same reasons to judge them that everyone else seems to. They have never seemed antagonistic.
There are/were some instances of harassment with multiple accounts from them IIRC
How would anyone know it’s them?
Its been a while since I saw the posts, but it was not subtle at all; immediate reactionary posts from the same instance all badmouthing someone drag was arguing with, using the same phrasing and sentence structure drag uses.
These immediate reactionary posts, were they directed at various different people? Drag has been in drama and conflict with a lot of people on Lemmy. So if drag made the posts, it would make sense for them to be directed at all the people drag has had a lot of conflict with: spujb, Flying Squid, Pug Jesus…
Or, was the alt-account harassment all directed at a single user, and all at a time when that user had something to gain from playing the victim? Because if that’s the case, it seems like maybe that particular user is somehow linked to the cause of the harassment.
Coincidences do happen. I got semi-banned from a place once, and a few months afterward, someone joined with a name that was near-identical. It was a real Guy Incognito moment.
Stop tolerating their ridiculous neopronoun. It was an obvious fucking troll. Grow a spine and start calling this fucking bullshit out instead of letting it infect the LGBT communities.
Idk fam, I feel like weird use of language kinda pales in comparison to sexual harassment of other users, and the fact that the former is what most people seem to care about with DragonFucker is kinda concerning.
I didn’t know that that stupid motherfucker sexually harassed anyone. So the former was the only one relevant to my experience.
I think I’m willing to take a stance on, You can have he him, she her, they them, it, or some mixture of those.
Generally I just wouldn’t care however seeing that community bend itself into a pretzel over an obvious troll pretty much cemented my feeling on the subject. At some point you’re no longer being tolerant and are just being gullible.
This “condensed” write up by @southernsamurai is, I feel, an excellent argument for why that isn’t true.
If you look through my various comments on this thread, you’ll see that I am…not a fan of Drag. They’re one of, again blah blah blah personal opinion, the worst types of person. Using rules in a safe space for vulnerable people against them, intentionally stirring the pot and garnering ill will across the Fed, some of it inappropriately aimed at the safe space. I’m not sure I believe that they are otherkin as they claim, but I’ll be respectful and call them what they want to be called while I tell them that drag should look dragself in the mirror and treat others with the same respect and decency befitting a fellow sentient that they weaponise the rules to force others to give them or be removed. And if drag cannot bring dragself to treat others well, cannot stop misgendering others, or telling them to KYS, Drag is not worth the piss it would take to put out a fire. But we’re presumably civilised, and I will use the terms drag wants used to refer to drag to politely tell drag to go fuck dragself off somewhere dragr behaviour is welcome. Which is definitely not here.^ pretty much sums it up.
According to “drag,” you’ve already misgendered them four times. They’d report you for this.
That’s really weird, because this is what Leni’s comment looks like on drag’s screen:
They and I had a talk about that. I asked what their neo-pronouns would be if they followed the three basic courtesy rules, and they responded saying I could stick to they/them. They and anyone else are free to correct me if I relapse into he/him.
Is there a link describing “the three basic courtesy rules” that doesn’t go to Xitter? I can’t access that site (and wouldn’t want to even if I could, tbh.)
I tried searching for that phrase online and found generic “etiquette” lists, but without further context I can’t tell if I’m finding the same thing you’re referring to.
Rule 1: The way of referring to oneself should be translatable between mainstream languages. You can’t blame people of other dialects for botching certain words or having no equivalent word. Something there must be accommodated for.
Rule 2: It should be six letters or shorter. It would be misusage if problems were caused because it was longer, such as creating too much bureaucratic stress.
Rule 3: No shock value is involved. I can’t imagine people referring to you as a slur based on your instruction and being indifferent to it.
this is interesting and i think it would be valuable to have discourse about this outside of distasteful characters, thanks for bringing it to attention
my initial thoughts are “what does mainstream mean lol” and “why six letters” and “what about languages that don’t use the roman alphabet”
but i appreciate the stance of respect and pragmatism this seems to come from so that’s nice
The word “mainstream” is used as opposed to oddly specific obstacles. A dialect, like, say, Mandarin is just a fact of life, as opposed to, say, encountering someone who wants you to adapt what you say into Klingon.
“Six letters” is chosen because it matches average nickname length and is a good starter point for compatibility. Letters from most alphabets can be swapped with letters into other alphabets, so that is no issue. As for logographic ones, most Mandarin characters do equal a phrase that would equal six letters.
They also said that they are not a person, but instead, a “dragon rider” which would indicate one who rides dragons. So… Is a dragon’s rider a dragon that rides dragons? A race of non-human things that ride dragons? Neither of these?
Also, take a stroll through their comment history. They are very inconsistent over the months since their account was created.
It’s almost as if they were making it up as they went along.
Inconsistent with their gender/pronouns or inconsistent with who they are?
To be honest, when I first met them, my first impression was they might be otherkin, though I didn’t have those exact words to say.
Inconsistent with their trolling.
That user would correct your use of they and them to drag btw.
They gave me permission to use they/them.
Of course when they ban him it’s not for being a transphobic piece of shit, but instead for sharing DMs. Sure, being a troll and using the trans community as a cudgel to harass people is fine, but sharing private communication? Well, that’s a step too far.
Blahaj is a joke.
Please don’t he/him drag.
Don’t forget flooding people’s DMs with porn. Drag loves doing that too.
???
I read that in their voice.
Or creating hateful communities to personally harass and target you. It’s already happened to me twice.
No drag doesn’t. Drag has never done that.
Wow don’t share your DMs with us! Ban Snowpix for revealing the content of DMs.
Hey, it’s not sexual harassment, and you’re transphobic for saying calling out his bad behavior! Also, he’s just being quirky when he suggested people kill themselves!
Forgot the /s or /j there’s people who might take you seriously. Including dragonfucker.
You’re not wrong. They already have alts in the comments.
Yup, I’ve already seen a few. Including their main account.
Well said.
That’s an instance ban. Instance bans automatically issue community bans for local communities the user has been active in.
Ada, drag is sorry for sharing the screenshots. Drag didn’t think they were anything serious. Drag won’t share any screenshots without permission again.
I blocked them a long time ago
Image description for my fellow Brits:
Dragon Rider (drag) being banned from the following communities for sharing DMs:
I can see it, has the image moved?
Demigodrick (zip admin) reached out on matrix to say they were adding pictrs to their geoblock bypass, so now pictures from zip are viewable from the UK.
Do you think it would be helpful if I added this to the description?
Maybe, I wrote this because lemmy.zip geoblocks the UK so I had to use my VPN to see the image.
Drag earned a lot of bans because Drag is a troll. Drag can’t help but suggest that people kill themselves, and then demand people refer to them as Drag, as they identify as a Dragon. When Drag was asked if Drag stands for Dragon, Drag implied the person asking was stupid for not knowing Drag stands for Dragon Rider. Drag also intentionally made numerous posts on .world inciting violence against government officials and wealthy Dutch citizens. Drag claimed the posts were an experiment testing .world’s admins’ dedication to Dutch law vis-a-vis Luigi /incitement to violence. And finally. Drag refers to Drag in the third person. Drag is a troll. Fuck Drag.
