• unalivejoy@lemm.eeEnglish
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    2 months ago

    If you’re gonna get a browser with a brave-like experience, might as well get a Firefox based one like Zen.

      • unalivejoy@lemm.eeEnglish
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        2 months ago

        Sadly. It is still in beta though, so it’s still possible for a mobile version in the future. There’s a few discussions on the github asking about mobile support (no responses).

        • Zloubida@lemmy.world
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          2 months ago

          Will there be mobile version for Zen Browser?

          At the moment, our team does not have the time or resources to develop Android or iOS versions of Zen Browser. Additionally, we believe that Zen’s unique features, particularly its design around vertical tabs, do not translate well to the mobile form factor. As such, we do not currently have plans to develop a mobile version of Zen Browser.

          Source

          • Bilb!@lem.monsterEnglish
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            2 months ago

            That’s exactly what I was thinking, there’s nothing in Zen that would add any value to Firefox on mobile.

      • Zidane@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        2 months ago

        Librewolf stopped showing my bookmarks bar randomly and never came back no matter what I tried… Switched to waterfox after a while of dealing with no bar.

  • themurphy@lemmy.ml
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    2 months ago

    Meh, they can shoot at Firefox if they want, but it’s actually pretty good marketing for the Fox.

  • azron@lemmy.ml
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    2 months ago

    Hahahhaah. If they are so desperate they are trying to knock off the 10 or so users on Firefox they must really be in dire straights.

  • disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    I use Brave for solely one purpose that I hope to see it in Firefox one day. It’s the only app I’ve found that lets you locally download a web video and play it natively on CarPlay. I rarely use it, but it’s handy when I need it.

      • disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world
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        2 months ago

        Like I said, I’ve rarely used it. It’s a niche need, but Brave was the only app that did it when I wanted it.

      • infeeeee@lemm.ee
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        2 months ago

        Carplay is an apple thing, so they should be speaking about some ios limitaion

      • disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world
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        2 months ago

        As of the last time I looked into it, there were no video players that worked natively in CarPlay. If you long press on a video in Brave, you can add it to your “Brave Playlist.” If you set the playlist to download locally, you can play it in the Brave app in CarPlay.

    • redfellow@sopuli.xyz
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      2 months ago

      Haven’t found anything on Android to replace it with, and on Desktop swapped to it after Chrome Manifest V3.

      I work as a web dev, and after the install I just disabled the wallet etc, and am left with a browser with native quick dark mode toggle, built in support for ublock lists, and otherwise familiar Chrome experience, with full extension support and foldable device support.

      Firefox has certain UI/UX choices I dislike, and they are behind in implementing lots of features (that are rarely an issue to non devs).

      • John Richard@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 months ago

        Cromite. Every time you use Brave you help promote their right-wing CEO known for donating money to ban gay marriage.

        • redfellow@sopuli.xyz
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          2 months ago

          Could you explain how that logic works? I don’t support their CEOs points of views by simply browsing the web with the app.

          I can understand how mentioning this, I would,.but I was compelled to reply to your question.

          Edit: Naos*

          Edit 2: I don’t see Cromite in the app store, and have near zero will for tinkering/manual updating after a days work in tech.

          • Signtist@lemm.eeEnglish
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            2 months ago

            CEO’s get money from people using their products, and Google’s CEO spends a lot of that money lobbying in order to push the government further right. It’s not a tough thing to follow. “Support” isn’t about whether or not you agree with them, it’s about whether or not you help fund their actions when you have other options that wouldn’t.

          • John Richard@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            2 months ago

            CEOs don’t just make money on ads, they also make money on users that use their apps. Every download or ping then Brendan Eich can go to investors & say that he now has more potential to make them money, so they give him investments in return, which then he can pocket a few million & when/if Trump tries to get legislation passed to ban gay marriage, then Eich is going to likely be helping fund getting that passed again.

            https://github.com/uazo/cromite

            • redfellow@sopuli.xyz
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              2 months ago

              I find this weird, as I’ve seen trans and lqbtq ads in brave befofe disabling ads. I checked Eich out now, is the whole controversy really just due a 1000$ donation to a christian group (which had anti gay agendas among other things)?

              I’m honestly just a bit baffled, might be I’m just very out of the loop.

              • John Richard@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                2 months ago

                The money was for the campaign for Prop 8 itself, not some organization that he had no clue what it was going for. Plus, despite claiming he regrets it, he then has continued to defend his antigay position on social media.

          • LGTM@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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            2 months ago

            Just a small rec: Obtainium has been great for managing git sources (how I get my Cromite), I don’t think I really needed any dev experience at all.

            A small pain is that some repo owners only publish source code, but you know, that’s just how it goes

      • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
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        2 months ago

        I feel you. I use Firefox on Android (technically Mull), and it’s generally pretty good. It does seem like some sites don’t work properly on mobile Firefox that work fine on desktop, but I haven’t looked into why (and I’m guessing it’s those missing features you’re talking about).

        • TachyonTele@lemm.ee
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          2 months ago

          Im guessing the website hasn’t been optimized for mobile.

          You’re blaming your car for the roadwork.

          • redfellow@sopuli.xyz
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            2 months ago

            I’m blaming a browser that hasn’t implemented as many standards as it’s competitors, and choosing therefore to use a free car that runs well on said roads.

                • TachyonTele@lemm.ee
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                  2 months ago

                  I’m sorry. I don’t think you understand the relationship between a browser and a websites settings.

                  If a website is not made to be compatible with a certain browser, that is the websites fault. Not the browser.

                  That link is a wall of checkboxes with no explanation, btw.

                  (Also, not touching Chrome. Pretty sorry for you that you’re defending it so much.)

                • kattfisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                  2 months ago

                  How many of these “lacking features” are actually standardized? Of course some draft under development by Google will only work in the latest version of Chrome. It might not even work in future versions of Chrome, since it’s not standardized.

                  If you built something that requires such a feature, it’s you who is choosing to write code that is incompatible with the standards and only works on a particular browser version. You can’t blame others for that.

      • Zagorath@aussie.zone
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        2 months ago

        Personally I really want to use one browser across all my systems so I can get tab and bookmark syncing. But Firefox is just so bad on both Android and iPad OS.

        On my phone, I try and do the “framed” daily game. You start typing your guess and it pops up autocomplete suggestions. Except if I’m on Android on my phone, where I start typing and nothing happens. Even the letter I typed doesn’t appear in the text box. The browser just completely freezes. On every other browser I’ve tried, including Firefox on desktop, it works perfectly. It also seems to have worse touch targets than other browsers. If I go to a poorly-mobile-optimised site in other browsers on Android, such as Lemmy’s web UI, somehow other browsers are just really good at knowing what I was trying to click on. I can quite easily tap a small button or link that’s near other buttons or links, and I manage to get the right one. In Firefox that doesn’t happen. Much more often if I try that, the wrong link gets clicked, and I have to go back and pinch to zoom before carefully clicking what I wanted.

        The iPad OS experience is not as fundamentally broken as that, but is instead just…clumsy. On some sites I’ll scroll and elements of the page will move about or images will resize, in ways they don’t on other browsers. More than once it has caused me to click something I didn’t intend because it moved into the place that what I wanted was previously.

        I really want to like Firefox. On desktop it’s a particularly good experience, being able to install real extensions without Chrome’s restrictions, while not shoving AI slop down your throat like Edge does these days. But it’s just so very hard to fully commit when the experience on my phone is so poor.

      • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
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        2 months ago

        Are Firefox’s UX choices bad, or do you just want it to be another copy of Chrome and refuse to learn something new?

        The fact that Firefox on Android actually supports extensions is more than enough reason for me to choose it over a chromium version.

        • redfellow@sopuli.xyz
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          2 months ago

          In a perfect world the UI would be customizable to the extent that I feel at home and don’t need to unlearn and relearn patterns ingrained in my brain. For me those patterns are very relevant as I work in the field and every time the tools force me to spend more time working around them instead of with them, lead to loss of efficiency.

          Extension support exists in some Chrome based browsers, too. Kiwi Browser also comes to mind.

          Remote debugging is also important to me, and even though you can install Chrome dev tools in Firefox, it doesn’t work with remote debugging.

          • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
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            2 months ago

            It “working for you and not against you” in this case is mostly down to just getting used to it. It’s the same issue people have switching to Linux. Linux is the better and easier option, but if you expect it to work exactly like Windows then you’ll have a bad time. If you attempt to learn how it works then it’s great.

            Firefox is fairly customizable, but most of that’s hidden and you need to do some searching online and digging. You can also use something like Floorp.

    • yonder@sh.itjust.works
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      2 months ago

      Vanilla Firefox is not clean either. It

      • Has sponsored articles on new tabs
      • Uses Google by default

      Though, these are trivial to disable and even come pre-done on the linux distro I’m using to writ this comment.

    • LWD@lemm.ee
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      2 months ago

      Brave still does include ads enabled by default. You need to disable sponsored images in the New Tab page.

  • borth@sh.itjust.works
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    2 months ago

    How is it more private, when the browser is the one handling your data to show you ads, on top of the websites trying to do the same. So, extra ads? Wtf.

  • John Richard@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 months ago

    The same Brave founded by the anti-LGBTQ+ & anti-DEI CEO that doesn’t believe that gay people should have the same rights as straight people? Color me shocked!

  • 3DMVR@lemm.eeEnglish
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    2 months ago

    Braves like the only browser that works for some piracy sites, the rest (with extensions) you get a ton of ads, broken sitesx or get stuck at some link shorteners. Vfx med specifically I tried every browser. For regular browsing I like firefox but annoyingly enough brave handles video a lot better never crashing, youtube is always fast with hella tabs, I’m just used to and stuck with firefox because I have so many tabs/windows open rnow

    • LWD@lemm.ee
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      2 months ago

      Kind of funny they list their built-in, paid VPN as a positive feature and not a negative. Maybe they were running out of good things to say about… Themselves.

      Granted, Mozilla also shot themselves in the foot by saying Firefox was better for not blocking ads by default, but that’s a different story for a different day

    • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
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      2 months ago

      The real good: Baked in Youtube ad-blocking with a full dev team playing keep up with youtube Better at anti-fingerprinting Built-in mediocre TOR support.

      The real bad: They will sell your data. They will sell your data from their VPN

      The rest of their bad is optional. Don’t use them for search and don’t use their crypto.

      If you’re going to use them, at least keep a fully equivalently outfitted copy of firefox, you don’t want to get stuck if they finally decide to turn full evil.

      • renzev@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 months ago

        if they finally decide to turn full evil.

        Yeah this is the brave experience. Free and open source product that behaves as advertised… from a company that acts like they’re perpetually on the brink of fucking you over. Really hope this doesn’t happen, brave’s approach to antifingerprinting is actually quite interesting and completely different to what we see in the firefox-based hardened browsers.

        • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
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          2 months ago

          I honestly really like what they do with the fingerprinting. But it’s just a straight trade. Now amazon can’t follow me directly, but Brave will certainly sell Amazon the info that I shopped at Home Depot looking for discontinued air filters :)

          FF fingerprinting with UO and privacy badger are by no means bad, they are actually quite acceptable.

          • renzev@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            1 month ago

            What does privacy badger do that isn’t covered by UO? Is it worth it to install privacy badger if I already use a browser like librewolf that nukes all data every time it’s restarted?

            • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
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              1 month ago

              It’s EFF’s tracker blocker. All they have is their name, so I have a lot of trust in them. I use it in concert with chrome and firefox based browsers. In FF it tightens up the tracking a bit. Doesn’t eat much ram/time.

    • TachyonTele@lemm.ee
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      2 months ago

      Points 1 and 2 are absolutely on FF. You can also set it to private by default. This is not a factual graphic.

      • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
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        2 months ago

        Firefox started blocking YouTube ads without plugins?

        You can also set it to

        Grandma isn’t going to go into security settings. I really with FF would just make it the default on install.

        Everything in that list can easily be made the same, but they’re not the same without some basic knowledge of wanting it.

        • TachyonTele@lemm.ee
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          2 months ago

          Grandma isn’t going to use Brave either.
          Nor is she going to click on ads to “earn” crypto coins.

    • ERROR: Earth.exe has crashed@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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      2 months ago

      I mean, you could do this with anything

      nazism:

      -✅️ Very terrifying and intimidating uniforms

      Every other ideology:

      -❌️ Does not have terrifying and intimidating uniforms*

      *According to opinions of career nazis

      This is what Brave is doing 🙄

      • Ephera@lemmy.mlEnglish
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        2 months ago

        Well, actually it should be:

        -❌️ Limited or no terrifying and intimidating uniforms

        Firefox does block trackers by default, but apparently that’s “limited protection”, according to who the fuck knows, so it gets the ❌.

      • Eyedust@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        2 months ago

        I tried a fair few browsers for android. Iceraven, Fulguris, Fennec, and Mull. I settled on Fulguris, because it was no frills with custom adblock lists and a good built in darkmode.

        However, Fulguris became a headache because any app that required a browser portal login wouldn’t recognize it.

        So I moved to Mull. Then Mull dropped the project. Mull, Iceraven, and Fennec are basically the same idea as Firefox derivatives.

        I use a free, massive coverage, open source icon pack called Delta and between Iceraven and Fennec I liked the Fennec icon more.

  • IninewCrow@lemmy.caEnglish
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    2 months ago

    Broke one of the golden rules of advertising (at least the advertising lessons I learned from an old advertising guy I knew a long time ago)

    Never mention your competition in your advertising … because every time you do, you’ve given them free advertising.

    • labbbb2@thelemmy.club
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      2 months ago

      And it’s just bad to say, for example, about other person or country. Like some candidate for president in other liberal country will say “yes, we have issues, but hey, at least we are not like shitty Texas where abortion mostly illegal, so vote for us!”