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The US University experience
Excuse me. They have a women. This is clearly a DEI group of fascist.
Hey ya know, just how it be sometimes
Makes me very sad because of course brain drain is inevitable under the circumstances, but selfishly I worry for my families future without them. We can’t afford to get out. Many of us didn’t have the opportunities to become someone who could leave the country in any capacity, let alone now. Just…please if you’re considering this, remember who you’re leaving behind that aren’t the Trump sycophants. I know it’s not your job to fix anything. But if you’re moving to some place because it’s more equitable, I would find it extremely hypocritical that you would be contributing to inequality yourself by doing so.
I don’t get it. The US didn’t go and fire a bunch of women professors, we still have many women professors. The comment in the image makes no sense to me, its jumping.
If all the professors had left already who would they be advertising to? Don’t hurt your brain thinking too much about that.
My brain is starting to hurt.
Do you honestly not get it, or are you just trying to push back against a message you don’t like?
sounds likes he baiting people.
I hope so but some people are really this stupid too.
I don’t get it. The US has many women professors, not just associate and assistant professors. The comment implies that Finland is saying the US is no longer having women as professors. What am I missing?
Here is a recent Lemmy post highlighting some of the issues that women commonly face in US universities. It’s largely about inclusivivity. Lots of good progress has been made in recent times to fix problems of that type, but there is still some way to go.
Unfortunately, the new US president is strongly against that kind of progress. He has gone out of his way to roll back and block anything that might look like an inclusivity boosting program. Quite clearly, the USA is now moving backwards in these issues.
So that’s what the comment in the post is about. Note that we’re just reading some random guy’s off-hand comment about an advertisement. So it isn’t an in-depth analysis. It’s a highly simplified message. But I hope you can at least see what we’re talking about.
I get the issues that some women get flack from others for being a woman in particular fields. But the US does have many women professors. The comment above the ad insinuates that the US doesn’t, and that the University of Finland is trying to capitalize on that. I still don’t get it.
I think it’s about where you want to put your time in for a career. Not sure how professors are doing right now, but with the department of education budget being slashed, many are seeing the writing on the wall for the future of education here in America.
Highlighting that they are a country that still values inclusive education, and emphasizing their tenure stuff, shows that their country wants and needs you, and intends to value you long term, vs America trying to show the opposite.
What am I missing?
You’re missing the fact that currently in many states in the US, a Tesla has more civil rights than a woman, and it’s bullshit.
Also ignoring the removal of inclusion programs, and a number of other things wrong with the US in recent past that you would almost certainly be aware of unless you’re living in a cave in the wilderness with no internet connection. Which I doubt, since you’re posting here.
I’m pretty sure there is not one single professor that is a Tesla, so I don’t know what that comment was about.
What civil right does a woman not have? Honest question.
So, not one of those articles give me any examples of a civil right that a woman doesn’t have that a man has. As far as civil rights that women do not have (or are being taken away), all three articles only speak of abortions. Men already can’t have abortions.
So what civil right does a women not have, that a man does? Again, honest question.
As far as civil rights that women do not have (or are being taken away), all three articles only speak of abortions. Men already can’t have abortions.
You really thought you were cooking here, didn’t you?
The right over his own body. Name me one law that restricts mens bodily autonomy. I’ll wait.
I’m in.
Estonian here, first Yank* scientist on Lemmy to come work at University of Tartu gets a beer on me. Note that when I say “come work at” I mean I live in the city, not that I work at the university too. I dropped out after a semester and a half lol
* Yank refers to the entire USA here, though younger generations don’t use it much. You could be from Texas or California and still be a Yankee.
I love Tartu, but last I heard, the pay and funding sucked. How is it now?
Same in Finland: a Californian or a Hawaiian is a Yankee (in Finnish: jenkki) here.
Loadsa Yanks in Edinburgh
Emotional, fucking, damage.
Why would Americans feel emotional damage from this? They have freedom to be Christian, and self reliant, and proud.
Come to Australia! If you’re on the west coast of America, it’s not even that ridiculous a journey. It’s quite like America in lots of good ways, and less so in the insane, gun-toting ways. (Lots of idiot-trucks still, though 😞)
they only want scientists(phds) in many countries outside of us(i know there are alot there are struggling after just thier initial undergrad and even thier masters)(struggling as in the job prospects for biotech is quite a bit poor for those who are not eligible for grad school, or need experience)
You guys are gutting funding, unfortunately.
this is just latest problem and is only a symptom of a larger set of issues going back to your 1st degree.
Yeah brain drain isn’t as cool when it happens here, is it?
It is not secret that the US has attracted talented academics for many years. I am sure that these kinds of advertisements are not new.
Yeah with money
Yes. People conducting cutting-edge research should receive suitable compensation. Don’t see a problem with that.
& then that research gets gatekept by said country, do you agree to that
I wasn’t aware that publishing peer-reviewed work for anybody to read was “gatekeeping”.
I said countries (as in governments & corporations)
Yes move to Europe with stagnant economies and 60% tax rates. There are evident reasons why the EU isnt competitive, it’s not a secret.
I live better and more cheaply here than I did in the US, to each their own.
America is a shithole that treats their workers like shit overall. I would love to be able to move to Europe.
There is great opportunity in America. People all over the world still want to come here for a chance to compete. Bow down before the great Eagle, cawcaw!! Sure we have our problems but I wouldn’t want to live anywhere else. The border to leave stays open btw.
I’d say we do pretty well and STILL have affordable healthcare. But I’m sure potholes and a few extra billionaires are worth the tradeoff.
And long ass vacations. I’m in.
Long ass vacays is true, I’ll give you that one.
This thread gives me hope. Last Trump presidency Marcon told scientists to move to France. I was like… I hear you. Added 56 credit hours of math and science to my writing degree. Now I’m ready to do bioinformatics or something health data related not in the US.
ive seen alot of job listing requiring some bioinformatics training, something the university dont warn people about, aside from the wet lab experience you need before graduating.
This feels sad on the surface, as an American who went to college 25 years ago and is used to seeing people from around the world move here to learn, teach, start businesses, etc.
But giving it any real thought, damn it, it is much better for humanity this way. Climate change isn’t going to pause while the world watches us collapse.
We have quite a shortage of doctors and other medical professionals in Slovenija. Come on over, guys!
ETA: and professors to teach at the medical university.
theres a shortages in the us to for prof, because the tenures are not retiring to leave any positions open, so alot of them end up not applying to colleges anymore, also the fact that many schools are abusing just using adjuncts only
How much is med school there and are older people welcomed into the schools? I had to drop my premed program here in the US because I either need to be a med student for rural America … which can get fucked imo or pay a million to stay in “progressive” cities.
Oof, I don’t know about that. It’s very difficult even for regular students from other EU countries to get in. There are so few spots opened that they are very strict with the criteria plus domestic students are preferred.
i heard its pretty hard because us has standards that are usually above that of most countries, and some countries thier medical programs might not be equal. Also even if you are MD outside of the usa, its very hard to become one in the USA if you try to immigrate here.
aside from UK, and some other european MED schools , theres much more you have to do to apply to become a med student/MD in the usa. you all heard about people trying to go to caribbean med schools only to be met with more requirements in the USA.
Most countries welcome medical professionals with open arms. They are always shortlisted. ;)
PS: I love Slovenija, it is so pretty. I reccomend it too!
This is amazing for us in Europe, bring all the educated ones and leave the Trumpers there
Fully onboard with this, welcome to Spain amigo.
Pity they leave the nukes there, for a bunch of rabid capitalist morons
well to some of us americans, who can’t leave, this is horrible… but logical….
the last thing i want is all the reasonable people to leave, and be stuck with these fuxks….i kinda wonder now, how much did people fleeing nazi germany contributed to them solidifying power?
I mean I imagine most people leaving would still keep American citizenship and therefore still be able to vote. Unless they decide to end their citizenship which some might but I imagine most people would still want to keep that option open.
It’s worth noting, keeping your citizenship means paying US federal income taxes, regardless of where you live and work.
It’s kinda funny, this is what Texas did to Oklahoma in regards to our teachers. Put up billboards saying that they paid more in Texas. It’s depressing but it worked lol.
oklahoma wasn’t great before that, but at least it was OK…
Take this up vote and GO
The world is looking to China too, their sciences are blossoming. Exciting times ahead while Americans decide who they are and want to be and eventually go through their own Enlightenment. Things are bad now, but tyrants always fall eventually. I think we are entering a sort of golden age for science.
