• xye@lemm.ee
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    15 hours ago

    Makes me very sad because of course brain drain is inevitable under the circumstances, but selfishly I worry for my families future without them. We can’t afford to get out. Many of us didn’t have the opportunities to become someone who could leave the country in any capacity, let alone now. Just…please if you’re considering this, remember who you’re leaving behind that aren’t the Trump sycophants. I know it’s not your job to fix anything. But if you’re moving to some place because it’s more equitable, I would find it extremely hypocritical that you would be contributing to inequality yourself by doing so.

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    16 hours ago

    I don’t get it. The US didn’t go and fire a bunch of women professors, we still have many women professors. The comment in the image makes no sense to me, its jumping.

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      14 hours ago

      If all the professors had left already who would they be advertising to? Don’t hurt your brain thinking too much about that.

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      16 hours ago

      Do you honestly not get it, or are you just trying to push back against a message you don’t like?

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        16 hours ago

        I don’t get it. The US has many women professors, not just associate and assistant professors. The comment implies that Finland is saying the US is no longer having women as professors. What am I missing?

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          14 hours ago

          Here is a recent Lemmy post highlighting some of the issues that women commonly face in US universities. It’s largely about inclusivivity. Lots of good progress has been made in recent times to fix problems of that type, but there is still some way to go.

          Unfortunately, the new US president is strongly against that kind of progress. He has gone out of his way to roll back and block anything that might look like an inclusivity boosting program. Quite clearly, the USA is now moving backwards in these issues.

          So that’s what the comment in the post is about. Note that we’re just reading some random guy’s off-hand comment about an advertisement. So it isn’t an in-depth analysis. It’s a highly simplified message. But I hope you can at least see what we’re talking about.

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            I get the issues that some women get flack from others for being a woman in particular fields. But the US does have many women professors. The comment above the ad insinuates that the US doesn’t, and that the University of Finland is trying to capitalize on that. I still don’t get it.

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              I think it’s about where you want to put your time in for a career. Not sure how professors are doing right now, but with the department of education budget being slashed, many are seeing the writing on the wall for the future of education here in America.

              Highlighting that they are a country that still values inclusive education, and emphasizing their tenure stuff, shows that their country wants and needs you, and intends to value you long term, vs America trying to show the opposite.

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          What am I missing?

          You’re missing the fact that currently in many states in the US, a Tesla has more civil rights than a woman, and it’s bullshit.

          Also ignoring the removal of inclusion programs, and a number of other things wrong with the US in recent past that you would almost certainly be aware of unless you’re living in a cave in the wilderness with no internet connection. Which I doubt, since you’re posting here.

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    Estonian here, first Yank* scientist on Lemmy to come work at University of Tartu gets a beer on me. Note that when I say “come work at” I mean I live in the city, not that I work at the university too. I dropped out after a semester and a half lol

    * Yank refers to the entire USA here, though younger generations don’t use it much. You could be from Texas or California and still be a Yankee.

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      Why would Americans feel emotional damage from this? They have freedom to be Christian, and self reliant, and proud.

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    Come to Australia! If you’re on the west coast of America, it’s not even that ridiculous a journey. It’s quite like America in lots of good ways, and less so in the insane, gun-toting ways. (Lots of idiot-trucks still, though 😞)

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      they only want scientists(phds) in many countries outside of us(i know there are alot there are struggling after just thier initial undergrad and even thier masters)(struggling as in the job prospects for biotech is quite a bit poor for those who are not eligible for grad school, or need experience)

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        this is just latest problem and is only a symptom of a larger set of issues going back to your 1st degree.

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    It is not secret that the US has attracted talented academics for many years. I am sure that these kinds of advertisements are not new.

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    Yes move to Europe with stagnant economies and 60% tax rates. There are evident reasons why the EU isnt competitive, it’s not a secret.

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    This thread gives me hope. Last Trump presidency Marcon told scientists to move to France. I was like… I hear you. Added 56 credit hours of math and science to my writing degree. Now I’m ready to do bioinformatics or something health data related not in the US.

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      ive seen alot of job listing requiring some bioinformatics training, something the university dont warn people about, aside from the wet lab experience you need before graduating.

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    This feels sad on the surface, as an American who went to college 25 years ago and is used to seeing people from around the world move here to learn, teach, start businesses, etc.

    But giving it any real thought, damn it, it is much better for humanity this way. Climate change isn’t going to pause while the world watches us collapse.

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    We have quite a shortage of doctors and other medical professionals in Slovenija. Come on over, guys!

    ETA: and professors to teach at the medical university.

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      theres a shortages in the us to for prof, because the tenures are not retiring to leave any positions open, so alot of them end up not applying to colleges anymore, also the fact that many schools are abusing just using adjuncts only

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      How much is med school there and are older people welcomed into the schools? I had to drop my premed program here in the US because I either need to be a med student for rural America … which can get fucked imo or pay a million to stay in “progressive” cities.

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        Oof, I don’t know about that. It’s very difficult even for regular students from other EU countries to get in. There are so few spots opened that they are very strict with the criteria plus domestic students are preferred.

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          i heard its pretty hard because us has standards that are usually above that of most countries, and some countries thier medical programs might not be equal. Also even if you are MD outside of the usa, its very hard to become one in the USA if you try to immigrate here.

          aside from UK, and some other european MED schools , theres much more you have to do to apply to become a med student/MD in the usa. you all heard about people trying to go to caribbean med schools only to be met with more requirements in the USA.

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      Most countries welcome medical professionals with open arms. They are always shortlisted. ;)

      PS: I love Slovenija, it is so pretty. I reccomend it too!

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    This is amazing for us in Europe, bring all the educated ones and leave the Trumpers there

    Fully onboard with this, welcome to Spain amigo.

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      well to some of us americans, who can’t leave, this is horrible… but logical….
      the last thing i want is all the reasonable people to leave, and be stuck with these fuxks….

      i kinda wonder now, how much did people fleeing nazi germany contributed to them solidifying power?

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        I mean I imagine most people leaving would still keep American citizenship and therefore still be able to vote. Unless they decide to end their citizenship which some might but I imagine most people would still want to keep that option open.

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          It’s worth noting, keeping your citizenship means paying US federal income taxes, regardless of where you live and work.

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        It’s kinda funny, this is what Texas did to Oklahoma in regards to our teachers. Put up billboards saying that they paid more in Texas. It’s depressing but it worked lol.

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      The world is looking to China too, their sciences are blossoming. Exciting times ahead while Americans decide who they are and want to be and eventually go through their own Enlightenment. Things are bad now, but tyrants always fall eventually. I think we are entering a sort of golden age for science.