I grew up listening to fundie christian parents babble at length how we were living in end times. And mocking them mercilessly (at first among my fiends, later to their faces) as often as possible.

Now look at us - on the brink of non-existence politically, environmentally, and civilizationally. Not sure that last one is a word.

If they were right I’m gonna have some 'splainin to do.

Dammit.

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    7 days ago

    I hope the rapture comes and takes all the good people to heaven so us evil doers can live out or lives not knowing the grace of God!

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    The political craziness is a direct symptom of knowing country/planet is unsustainable. Full desperation to believe anyone that tells you pillaging the world for oligarchy is bestest future somehow.

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    If we’re walking into oblivion it’s because the christofascists are leading us there. It will be their self fulfilling prophecy.

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      Climate change alone might not be enough to do it, but do you honestly think we’ll get through all the strife it will cause without significant nuclear weapons use?

      Climate will drive crop failures, which will cause widespread food insecurity in nations with nukes. Do you really think that we’re going to watch nations with nukes endure mass starvation when they could attack another nation and take it’s resources?

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      First IPCC is a political process with high input from climate terrorists.

      You are right that the requirement for ending civilization requires over 95% population decline. Civilization existed in bronze age. Global warming is unlikely to be a near extinction event, as technology to survive, especially for a small population, should keep up.

      What should be clear though is mass loss of prosperity and life is a cycle to lose more prosperity.

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    It’s more that it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy.

    “The world will hate you,” so you’re antisocial and hateful in preparation. They do hate me! It’s all true!

    “There will be wars and rumors of wars,” so you vote for the defense hawks supporting the military complex. So many wars! It’s all true!

    “They won’t even tolerate your views, they’ll try to outlaw it!” So you try to ban them first. It’s all true!

    Why protect the temporary environment when you have eternal paradise waiting? Why do ANYTHING meaningful here when you have eternal paradise waiting.

    tl;dr: Death cult. Projection.

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        Not only that, but these bad things HAVE TO HAPPEN before the good things can come to pass. That’s the order of operations. Which leads to seeing the bad things and thinking, “YES!!! It’s haaaappeniiiiing!!!”

        You literally welcome disaster, because it proves you right, rather than working to prevent it.

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    It’s not too late to re-evaluate your beliefs tbh. I don’t subscribe to the same brand of Christianity as my parents or as what you see happening in the USA, but you can actually have Christ without a lot of that mad fundie stuff, and incorporate into a more rational belief system. I recommend checking out InspiringPhilosophy on YouTube, he has a pretty rational way of explaining the faith. Or I am not rational at all because I still believe in a “skyfairy” according to internet atheists. Just don’t think that being a mad fundie is the only way to be a Christian or necessary to receive forgiveness from God.

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      I don’t know why anyone needs forgiveness from god. Seems to me that god is the one who needs to be forgiven for creating all this suffering.

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          Suffering is literally everywhere, every day. People tortured, raped, beaten, killed. Disease is rampant as always. Ostensibly, Christians believe that god created everything the way he wanted. If that’s the case, he has some fucking explaining to do.

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            People are tortured, raped, beaten and killed by other people. Disease is rampant in fewer places with worse medical care. Humans collectively have enough money to solve that problem but instead hoard it for themselves instead. It’s us who have explaining to do to Him.

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              God created us in his image, no? Being omniscient and omnipotent, he has the power to stop those atrocities, right? If he doesn’t, he’s not God. If he does, he’s evil.

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      The common “internet atheist” drives me nuts. Such arrogance! Such stubbornness! I will proudly yell “I DON’T KNOW!” from the highest mountaintop, and remain open minded.

      Thanks for the YouTube recommendation!

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        Yeah, I know agnostics exist and the common atheist who jokes about skydaddy is in a minority, thankfully

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    Well, they’re not right if they were harping on “Jesus is coming again!” but other than that, I too might owe Mom & Dad and apology.

    More clearly than ever in my life, I can see the end — the end of me, the end of America (whatever that really was), and the end of everything. It’s all so clear, it’s difficult to see anything else, even when I turn away.

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    yeah but its all going downhill because of people like them. christians are complicit in the demise of democracy.

    theyre causing their own doom so they can point it out. if they didnt exist, the world would be a better place.

    theres a great meme somewhere where the rapture happens and the world is an amazingly better place for it.

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      Self proclaimed “Christians” don’t necessarily represent the true beliefs.

      James 1:27

      “Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to care for orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world.”

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        religion is itself a slippery slope greased with fantasy and hope created by men. when their major tomes require interpretation, any meaning useful to the con artist can be derived.

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          99% of different interpretations don’t cause that big of a difference, though. The broad important part of the faith remains the same. Usually the divide is mainly on church governance and management, as well as ceremonies, the science of how covenants work, etc. I grew up in a Baptist church, and it was quite common to have Anglican and Presbyterian ministers preaching there. I have been to Anglican churches where Roman Catholics were preaching and ecumenical services as well. We agree on 90% of stuff.

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            every religion was created by man to control man. to give credence to the slippery slope of divinity is to allow the eventual removal of responsibility from human beings.

            religion is a disease, even if ‘mostly benign’.

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              That’s a very shallow and uninformed view to how religions start and their origins

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          Lmao imagine responding to James, the brother of Jesus’ letter saying “hur hurr hurr, actually, you’re wrong, that’s a no true scotsman fallacy ☝️🤓”

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                Self proclaimed “Christians” don’t necessarily represent the true beliefs.

                Chapter and verse?

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                  James 1. Sure, verse 27, but there are other verses in there.

                  James 1:22-23, 26-27

                  [22] But be doers of the word, and not merely hearers who deceive themselves. [23] For if any are hearers of the word and not doers, they are like those who look at themselves in a mirror; [26] If any think they are religious, and do not bridle their tongues but deceive their hearts, their religion is worthless. [27] Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to care for orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world.

                  James 2:14-19, 26

                  [14] What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if you say you have faith but do not have works? Can faith save you? [15] If a brother or sister is naked and lacks daily food, [16] and one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and eat your fill,” and yet you do not supply their bodily needs, what is the good of that? [17] So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead. [18] But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I by my works will show you my faith. [19] You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder. [26] For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is also dead.

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    It was always going to end. And I’d rather be there for it than be born in some other boring and eventless time. Unfortunately, as exciting as times are, I think there’s still quite a while to go and we won’t be around for it. But you can still enjoy all that’s happening now; sure is a lot!

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      Depends on your generation. I’m early gen Z and if I live long enough, I think there’s a good enough chance I will see humanity going extinct

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        Nah, there’s an apocalyptic phase that goes on for a long time and chances of ultimate survival are quite positive. Six billion could perish, making life much easier for the remaining, though there’d be hard times for a few generations during recovery.

        Always look on the bright side of life 😙🎵

        Or, ya know, astroid… Whatever it is, it beats dying of dysentery at age 34.

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    It’s been the “End Times” for the last 2000 years. They were full of shit then and they’re full of shit now.

    Their whole death cult is predicated on the world ending in a violent fiery ocean of blood so that they, the only good people who won’t be damned to a burning torturous eternal punishment, will ascend to a paradise of everlasting Jonestown. It’s sheer insanity. Malicious, cruel, psychopathic insanity.

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    Don’t confuse coincidence for causation. For hundreds of years, people have been harping about the " end times." No 'splaining needed friend.

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      More likely hundreds of thousands of years, as long as humans have existed and been able to communicate that to each other.

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    Self fulfilling prophecy. It’s a doomsday cult and they’re trying to bring the end times instead of waiting

    When they said we’re living in the end times it wasn’t a prediction it was a threat