I grew up listening to fundie christian parents babble at length how we were living in end times. And mocking them mercilessly (at first among my fiends, later to their faces) as often as possible.
Now look at us - on the brink of non-existence politically, environmentally, and civilizationally. Not sure that last one is a word.
If they were right I’m gonna have some 'splainin to do.
Dammit.
I hope the rapture comes and takes all the good people to heaven so us evil doers can live out or lives not knowing the grace of God!
If that happens imma stay up late and eat cookies
The political craziness is a direct symptom of knowing country/planet is unsustainable. Full desperation to believe anyone that tells you pillaging the world for oligarchy is bestest future somehow.
No we’re definitely all gonna die real soon
If we’re walking into oblivion it’s because the christofascists are leading us there. It will be their self fulfilling prophecy.
There is nothing in the IPCC reports that even come close to civilization-ending predictions from climate change.
Climate change alone might not be enough to do it, but do you honestly think we’ll get through all the strife it will cause without significant nuclear weapons use?
Climate will drive crop failures, which will cause widespread food insecurity in nations with nukes. Do you really think that we’re going to watch nations with nukes endure mass starvation when they could attack another nation and take it’s resources?
First IPCC is a political process with high input from climate terrorists.
You are right that the requirement for ending civilization requires over 95% population decline. Civilization existed in bronze age. Global warming is unlikely to be a near extinction event, as technology to survive, especially for a small population, should keep up.
What should be clear though is mass loss of prosperity and life is a cycle to lose more prosperity.
There’s a conspiracy talk in local mid-eastern/muslim bubbles that Evangelicals seizing every opportunity to team up with Zionists to bring the Rapture as soon as possible.
The talk’s been around since Ottoman times so it’s easy to dismiss, but given between apathy to Israel state’s genocide and Trump’s fast start to his secondary term gives me chills no lie.
Just sayin. These fools are walking right into it.
It’s not too late to re-evaluate your beliefs tbh. I don’t subscribe to the same brand of Christianity as my parents or as what you see happening in the USA, but you can actually have Christ without a lot of that mad fundie stuff, and incorporate into a more rational belief system. I recommend checking out InspiringPhilosophy on YouTube, he has a pretty rational way of explaining the faith. Or I am not rational at all because I still believe in a “skyfairy” according to internet atheists. Just don’t think that being a mad fundie is the only way to be a Christian or necessary to receive forgiveness from God.
I don’t know why anyone needs forgiveness from god. Seems to me that god is the one who needs to be forgiven for creating all this suffering.
What suffering are you referring to?
Suffering is literally everywhere, every day. People tortured, raped, beaten, killed. Disease is rampant as always. Ostensibly, Christians believe that god created everything the way he wanted. If that’s the case, he has some fucking explaining to do.
People are tortured, raped, beaten and killed by other people. Disease is rampant in fewer places with worse medical care. Humans collectively have enough money to solve that problem but instead hoard it for themselves instead. It’s us who have explaining to do to Him.
God created us in his image, no? Being omniscient and omnipotent, he has the power to stop those atrocities, right? If he doesn’t, he’s not God. If he does, he’s evil.
The common “internet atheist” drives me nuts. Such arrogance! Such stubbornness! I will proudly yell “I DON’T KNOW!” from the highest mountaintop, and remain open minded.
Thanks for the YouTube recommendation!
Yeah, I know agnostics exist and the common atheist who jokes about skydaddy is in a minority, thankfully
Christofascists are wrong because they don’t recognize themselves and their cult leaders as a primary cause of doomsday, but rather they promote some poorly interpreted, wacky hallucinations from a dude in a desert 2000 years ago.
I love the word christofascist. I‘ll try to use it more from now on.
I highly recommend the song Apocalypticism by Moon Walker
Apocalypticism - a doctrine concerning an imminent end of the world and an ensuing general resurrection and final judgment
Well, they’re not right if they were harping on “Jesus is coming again!” but other than that, I too might owe Mom & Dad and apology.
More clearly than ever in my life, I can see the end — the end of me, the end of America (whatever that really was), and the end of everything. It’s all so clear, it’s difficult to see anything else, even when I turn away.
yeah but its all going downhill because of people like them. christians are complicit in the demise of democracy.
theyre causing their own doom so they can point it out. if they didnt exist, the world would be a better place.
theres a great meme somewhere where the rapture happens and the world is an amazingly better place for it.
Self proclaimed “Christians” don’t necessarily represent the true beliefs.
James 1:27
“Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to care for orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world.”
religion is itself a slippery slope greased with fantasy and hope created by men. when their major tomes require interpretation, any meaning useful to the con artist can be derived.
99% of different interpretations don’t cause that big of a difference, though. The broad important part of the faith remains the same. Usually the divide is mainly on church governance and management, as well as ceremonies, the science of how covenants work, etc. I grew up in a Baptist church, and it was quite common to have Anglican and Presbyterian ministers preaching there. I have been to Anglican churches where Roman Catholics were preaching and ecumenical services as well. We agree on 90% of stuff.
every religion was created by man to control man. to give credence to the slippery slope of divinity is to allow the eventual removal of responsibility from human beings.
religion is a disease, even if ‘mostly benign’.
That’s a very shallow and uninformed view to how religions start and their origins
Lmao imagine responding to James, the brother of Jesus’ letter saying “hur hurr hurr, actually, you’re wrong, that’s a no true scotsman fallacy ☝️🤓”
I was responding to you, dingus.
I was quoting James
Self proclaimed “Christians” don’t necessarily represent the true beliefs.
Chapter and verse?
James 1. Sure, verse 27, but there are other verses in there.
James 1:22-23, 26-27
[22] But be doers of the word, and not merely hearers who deceive themselves. [23] For if any are hearers of the word and not doers, they are like those who look at themselves in a mirror; [26] If any think they are religious, and do not bridle their tongues but deceive their hearts, their religion is worthless. [27] Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to care for orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world.
James 2:14-19, 26
[14] What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if you say you have faith but do not have works? Can faith save you? [15] If a brother or sister is naked and lacks daily food, [16] and one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and eat your fill,” and yet you do not supply their bodily needs, what is the good of that? [17] So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead. [18] But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I by my works will show you my faith. [19] You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder. [26] For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is also dead.
It was always going to end. And I’d rather be there for it than be born in some other boring and eventless time. Unfortunately, as exciting as times are, I think there’s still quite a while to go and we won’t be around for it. But you can still enjoy all that’s happening now; sure is a lot!
Depends on your generation. I’m early gen Z and if I live long enough, I think there’s a good enough chance I will see humanity going extinct
Nah, there’s an apocalyptic phase that goes on for a long time and chances of ultimate survival are quite positive. Six billion could perish, making life much easier for the remaining, though there’d be hard times for a few generations during recovery.
Always look on the bright side of life 😙🎵
Or, ya know, astroid… Whatever it is, it beats dying of dysentery at age 34.
May you live in interesting times.
It’s been the “End Times” for the last 2000 years. They were full of shit then and they’re full of shit now.
Their whole death cult is predicated on the world ending in a violent fiery ocean of blood so that they, the only good people who won’t be damned to a burning torturous eternal punishment, will ascend to a paradise of everlasting Jonestown. It’s sheer insanity. Malicious, cruel, psychopathic insanity.
Depends who you’re talking about, but not necessarily. The Christian doctrine is that nobody is righteous, and that we don’t deserve to be with God because of that.
My denomination took that to it’s logical conclusion, that salvation is for everyone irrespective of their religious views.
So if someone doesn’t want to be with God, then they will be forced to be with Him? Does that mean Hitler is in heaven?
Pretty much, yeah.
Do you have any biblical backing for this viewpoint?
John 3:16. Salvation is by grace, not by works.
John 3:16 makes it clear that it’s “whoever believes in Him”
TBF this is the first time in 2000 years when we have billions of people warming up the planet and studies by actual scientists saying if we continue the way we are we have at most a couple of centuries left. Plenty of studies saying that when you know where to look.
I’m gonna need links. It’s been a while but last time I read the IPCC reports executive summary there was no such predictions and certainly not going out multiple centuries.
https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/syr/summary-for-policymakers/
