Summary
A federal judge criticized a Trump administration Justice Department lawyer who claimed they didn’t have to follow the judge’s oral order blocking deportations to El Salvador because it wasn’t in writing.
Judge Boasberg questioned why the administration ignored his directive to return immigrants to the US. The DOJ lawyer repeatedly refused to provide information about the deportations, citing “national security concerns.”
Frustrated, Boasberg ordered sworn declarations explaining what happened, quipping that he would issue a written order “since apparently my verbal orders don’t seem to carry much weight.”
I believe they thought they could ignore the order because they could ignore the order.
Correct me if I’m wrong but what could the judge even do to these DoJ staff? Throw them in jail for a few days? Trump would just pardon them, wouldn’t he?
Public/private reprimand is the first step I think. The judge could also probably suspend their license, or possibly influence their getting disbarred if the lawyer fucks up enough. Probably couldn’t throw them in jail unless they were accused of a crime, but that would only be pardonable if it was a federal crime.
I’m sure they’ll cry “partisanship”, but put them in jail if relevant. I imagine at least some will be dissuaded by charges and prison even if they can count on a pardon. At least some will be kept out of politics after our four years of hell, even if they can count on a pardon. Even in the very worst case scenario where they get away with everything, legitimate charges will help cement the legacy as the most corrupt president ever.
I’m sure they’ll cry “partisanship
They already are.
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I think the seeds for this were sown in the post 9/11 secret court system, in which the US govt authorized itself to break national and international law.
Even in that case, they claimed there was due process. It may not have been public or aboveboard but they claimed due process. Maybe there was, we can’t tell because it was secret. Worst case scenario, they pretended.
No one even pretends anymore.
This is even worse, I’m just pointing out that in legal terms the US has been heating this particular frog for quite a while now.
A strongly worded email is the best they could do?
Did he suffer any serious consequences, No, then why the fuck wouldn’t he disregard it and will continue to do so in the future. Why are people in power in this country either evil and inept or simply inept against the evil ones
Lay out the alternative for us.
Alternative to what?
Following through with the judicial processes laid out in the constitution
Are they doing that thought?, I see news about the constitution being subverted everyday but I don’t see any concrete actions being taken to punish those doing so, and stop it from happening, this country is headed towards a dictatorship and politics are writing strongly worded letters and holding protest placards up as if that does anything
US is fucked. Nobody in US cares anymore, because if they did they’d be out on the streets by the millions.
Chicken shit judge
‘You felt you could disregard it?’
Narrator: He did.
Oh snap he GRILLED him!?!? Damn! Trump is going down!!! #RESIST
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Lol
Frustrated, Boasberg ordered sworn declarations explaining what happened, quipping that he would issue a written order “since apparently my verbal orders don’t seem to carry much weight.”
Written orders probably won’t carry any weight either since he probably can’t read even if he attempted to.
I’m waiting for people to connect the dots around my town. People’s rights begin with legislation and end with judicial decision. Being that the bill of rights is being overridden by the executive branch right now, judges have said so and the executive branch is saying they don’t care, it is fairly obvious the bill of rights no longer matters. So pick any amendment you like from the bill or rights, free speech, free press… Right the bear arms. Yup, gone. The conservatives nullified the right to bear arms and is cheering for it. By the time they think they should speak out about it, well they’ll maybe realize they already cheered for the loss of their freedom of speech. Oops
I’m just shocked that so many of you are okay with a judge deciding that all those criminals should remain in the US…I mean, this is why ya’ll lost the elections…
Imagine that, judges decided on criminals’ fate. Next they will want to decide who is even a criminal.
Oh brother… leave up to Liberals to want hardcore rapists and murderers to stay in the US… they’re only doing this because it’s Trump… and we both know it.
I ain’t your brother, what I do know is that right wingers hate foreigners, the alleged crimes being just an excuse.
Okay, bruh.
How do you know for sure that they’re criminals, just because they’re not American? None of them have even been charged with anything. Innocent until proven guilty.
You should be more concerned about the convicted rapist with 34 felonies who is currently in the oval office. Also quit being a racist piece of shit.
You are really that gullible, huh?
As opposed to the Left? Because they’re not gullible at all, right? LOL
The same laws that make him President, are the same law in which we allow it
‘You felt you could disregard it?’
Well, given that they disregarded it and are now standing before you arguing that they had the right to disregard it, I think it’s safe to say that yes, they felt they could disregard it. And given that the migrants were deported anyway, your orders were completely ignored, and they will receive no punishment for doing so, I think it’s safe to say that they were right.
Frustrated, Boasberg ordered sworn declarations explaining what happened, quipping that he would issue a written order “since apparently my verbal orders don’t seem to carry much weight.”
He’s about to find out that his written orders carry even less. Remember, the Supreme Court ruled that he can’t even be questioned about official acts, much less investigated. Trump could go on his Twitter knock-off tomorrow and tell this guy to go fuck himself with a chainsaw and there’s fuck-all this judge can do about it.
No, he can be questioned about official acts. The wording is that the judiciary decides what is an official act, so if they decide it is, he cannot be punished criminally for what is otherwise a criminal act. The Supreme Court did a bunch of power grabs for itself and effectively declared that Congress couldn’t do squat other than impeachment against the president and the only check on the president’s power was whether the judiciary agreed with him.
Now Trump’s attacking the judiciary and has made the chief justice have to make a statement that his challenges to his legitimacy will not stand, so I would expect to see a bunch of cases go against Trump just as a judiciary show of force, much like his citizenship emergency challenge where they told him to fuck off and they’d slow walk his case.
Trump could have ended democracy quite easily if he wasn’t in such a damn hurry to get shit done and snubbing all of the power brokers that he needs to implement his plans is forcing a bunch of needless shit. When the economy is fully in shambles in a few months and the ad spend slows down for media companies, I’d expect them to pounce on how much shit he fucked up. It’s wild seeing WSJ realizing the problem that’s coming down the pipeline and the Murdoch rag shitting on him in the editorials rather than WaPo.
It was disregarded because it was a vocal demand when the criminals were already halfway to their destination. If we allowed a federal judge to say “wait, don’t do that!” and express vocally their outrage, to the POTUS every time they disagreed, there would be no point in having a person voted as President.
Since when is a judge’s verbal order not legally binding?
It was disregarded because it was a vocal demand when the criminals were already halfway to their destination. If we allowed a federal judge to say “wait, don’t do that!” and express vocally their outrage, to the POTUS every time they disagreed, there would be no point in having a person voted as President
You do realize this happens all the time, right? Death row inmates can be granted clemency literally while they’re strapped to the gurney. It’s literally a case of the judge, governor, POTUS, whoever saying “WAIT, DON’T DO THAT!”. And yes, this includes the judge verbally giving instructions and holding off the proceedings until a written order can be drafted.
There was nothing stopping them from turning that plane around.
The whole point of judiciary is to resolve damages and it’s actually really important that they can issue orders quickly to prevent “irreversible damages”, courts use injunctions all the time even before coming to any kind of decision in order to give time for due process to happen. Especially when there is possibility of harm coming to an individual.
This is kind of insane to witness unfold in real time. These fossils don’t understand that they’ve been stripped from their institutional powers. They are literally not able to understand what’s happening even if it’s totally transparent to anyone watching.
Oh brother…
His written orders won’t do anything either. Who knew the constitution can be so easily ripped to shreds by simply ignoring it.
This should have been fixed in the 1800s when Andrew Jackson defied the Supreme Court, but it was ignored and here we are
Enforce the law! Otherwise, there really is no turning back. US Democracy is dead. Fascism wins. 🇺🇸
Oh brother… here we go again…
