Summary

A federal judge criticized a Trump administration Justice Department lawyer who claimed they didn’t have to follow the judge’s oral order blocking deportations to El Salvador because it wasn’t in writing.

Judge Boasberg questioned why the administration ignored his directive to return immigrants to the US. The DOJ lawyer repeatedly refused to provide information about the deportations, citing “national security concerns.”

Frustrated, Boasberg ordered sworn declarations explaining what happened, quipping that he would issue a written order “since apparently my verbal orders don’t seem to carry much weight.”

  • BigMacHole@lemm.ee
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    2 months ago

    Uh oh! This Judge sounds PISSED! SOON Trump is going to get a STERNLY WRITTEN LETTER! And if they DEFY that? OH Boy! ANOTHER letter will be on the way!

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        You guys literally got my overweight middle aged ass giggling like an imbecile in my office at work

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    2 months ago

    way more than about Trump

    legal precedents that uphold other legal precedents are being dismantled like they already were being done away with before Trump

    more precedents that go away the more personal freedoms and civil liberties goes away

    need a revolution

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    2 months ago

    Throw. That. Lawyer. In. PRISON. There may be no way to enforce the law on Trump himself, but make lawyers afraid to do his dirty work.

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        Make him do it. Make him do it over and over. New contempt charges every time one of these asshat lawyers refuses a lawful court order. Take up all of Trump’s time with having to continuously pardon his own lawyers.

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          Make him do it. Make him do it over and over. New contempt charges every time one of these asshat lawyers refuses a lawful court order. Take up all of Trump’s time with having to continuously pardon his own lawyers.

          This would be at best a minor inconvenience that Trump would just sign with the auto-pen that he’s going after Biden for using.

          And we’ve seen literally dozens of Trump’s high-profile lawyers watch their careers end in disgrace once Trump no longer has a use for them. And for every one that crashes and burns, there seems to be two more willing to take his place. Especially now that Trump is immune from prosecution, making it much less risky for them.

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            The point isn’t really to inconvenience him though. It’s to cede no ground without documented abuse of power.

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              Absolutely. Make them show outright that they are using authoritarian tactics. Make it known to all that they’re fascists and that they don’t care about democratic principles or the rule of law.

              Make every Trump voters uncomfortable and understand they voted to end this democratic republic.

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          It literally takes trump 20 seconds to tell an aid to start paperwork for a pardon.

          After 8 years of watching the legal system completely and utterly fumble any semblance of justice against Trump, it is bizarre to see you hail legal action as the ultimate method of dismantling the Trump regime. Big “I think Mueller is still going to bring Trump down!” energy.

          Nothing will change until the ruling class have fear in their hearts, and if the most obstructive and radical thing you can imagine is “waste trumps time by making him pardon an extra 15 people” also happens to be the prevalent mindset of other liberals, then yall are mega doomed.

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            Nowhere did I say that was the “ultimate method.” Every single thing the orange asshole tries to do should be obstructed and interfered with in every way possible.

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            Nothing will change until the ruling class have fear in their hearts, and if the most obstructive and radical thing you can imagine is “waste trumps time by making him pardon an extra 15 people” also happens to be the prevalent mindset of other liberals, then yall are mega doomed.

            Did anyone say it was the only method on the table?

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              Fair enough. That was wrong of me to falsely insinuate.

              However, I’d still posit that these sort of milquetoast strategies are so ineffective and distracting, that they ought to not be brought up at all since they defang otherwise radical people and distract from real solutions.

              In other words, Trump and team would like nothing more than for the opposition to waste untold millions in legal fees (and weeks of prolonged court time) all to make him auto pen a document over the course of 15 minutes. These suggestions are worth less than nothing.

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        I don’t think he can. Courts have the power to hold people until they comply with a court order.

        Technically so does congress although it’s never done.

        US Marshalls, however, are a real thing and work for the judiciary.

        Edit: ugh, they are responsible for carrying out what the judiciary needs, but it’s still part of the executive (DoJ).

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          I was holding hope for the US Marshalls taking action without the AG calling on them based on what they represent, but they have been helping the Trump with his illegal takeovers of DOGE even assisting with breaking and entering… So it’s probably unlikely they will do anything to assist with reigning in the president.

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            See elsewhere in the comments on this post. The judge can effectively deputize someone other than a Marshall if necessary.

    • UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml
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      2 months ago

      “A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”

      • Alexander Hamilton
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      Throw everyone who implemented it in prison. Trump may have made himself an untouchable dictator but just himself.

      Remember that loyalty only goes one way, unless it’s in trumps personal interest such as profiting from it. Make him go on record as either pardoning the criminals or dropping them

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        2 months ago

        What about all the hardcore criminals he sent out, should we bring them all back and release them?

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          Of course not. The normal justice system applies; assuming they are legitimately suspected of a crime, they are held until they can be given a fair trial and their fate determined by just means. That’s how the system works to punish the guilty and exonerate the innocent. Your assumption that these are all “hardcore criminals” is a media product; how has this been determined? It has not. The only just way to determine it is with a trial.

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            And even if found guilty and justly imprisoned after due process, that doesn’t mean they can legally be deported. If they’re legally in the country then they’re legally in the country

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      Well considering Republicans control every branch of government, they’re assuming they can and will get away with it. Even if this goes up to SCOTUS, the conservative justices will let them do what they want. One of them will “dissent” though to try to make it seem like they don’t agree. They’re probably behind closed doors playing rock, paper, scissors to see who “dissents” each time a hot button topic gets up to them.

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        Also didn’t the Supreme Court just rule that you can’t charge the president for crimes made in their official capacity? He can just say it was in his official capacity to ignore the orders so tough titties.

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          That doesn’t mean his actions would stand, it just means he can’t be prosecuted for it.

          If he fires someone and it’s ruled illegal, they get their job back or some very large settlement.

          Deported people would be able to return etc.

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      I think the seeds for this were sown in the post 9/11 secret court system, in which the US govt authorized itself to break national and international law.

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        Even in that case, they claimed there was due process. It may not have been public or aboveboard but they claimed due process. Maybe there was, we can’t tell because it was secret. Worst case scenario, they pretended.

        No one even pretends anymore.

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          This is even worse, I’m just pointing out that in legal terms the US has been heating this particular frog for quite a while now.

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    Did he suffer any serious consequences, No, then why the fuck wouldn’t he disregard it and will continue to do so in the future. Why are people in power in this country either evil and inept or simply inept against the evil ones

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            Are they doing that thought?, I see news about the constitution being subverted everyday but I don’t see any concrete actions being taken to punish those doing so, and stop it from happening, this country is headed towards a dictatorship and politics are writing strongly worded letters and holding protest placards up as if that does anything

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    2 months ago

    US is fucked. Nobody in US cares anymore, because if they did they’d be out on the streets by the millions.