They sell things that come in cups, or with napkins. Lots of people cycle/run/walk here instead of driving, seems pretty stupid.
Taking away the bins doesn’t mean you don’t produce rubbish…
Edit: I think there is still a bin IN the cafe, but most people eat/drink outside. Lots of people asking staff where the bins are. Still hypocritical I think though? (And still mildly infuriating to remove well used bins!)
I’d give this some odds of reducing trash pollution. It can seem frustrating, but it MAY change people’s behavior in a way that reduces litter. Behavioral economics can be counterintuitive.
If you operate a business that sells things in paper plates and wrappers, you certainly have a moral responsibility to have waste receptacles to collect those waste products.
The problem isn’t that a park lacks trash cans. The problem is that a cafe removed their trash bins.
I feel the same way, but about places that sell coffee having an obligation to provide a public bathroom.
Glares angrily at 7-11
Let us sing praise for the Rhineland Palatinatian Landesverordnung zur Ausführung des Gaststättengesetzes (Gaststättenverordnung - GastVO -), in effect since 1971, which mandates one toilet each for males and females in every restaurant or pub, and more for larger establishments.
The he cafe still has bins inside, they have a way to collect their refuse.
The park removed the bins since people from the cafe weee likely overfilling it.
Where does the sign say the cafe removed them…? The sign is from the ministry of forestry and speaks only for what they did. Remove the park bins.
How do you know that? You’re not OP.
The OP edited their 5-hour old post about 2 hours ago according to the timestamp. Your comment is only 1 hour old 🤔.
You’re the one vehemently claiming the cafe removed the bins. So I throw that right back in your ignorant face.
For my side, we have a nice little sign that explains everything, if you would be arsed to read it that is…
No. Most people just start littering when there’s no trash bins nearby.
They’re shit people. I take cans home to recycle because we don’t have proper recycling at my workplace.
Yes, they are. But that does not make it better that there is no bin. I have been in a situation with no bin but trash that can not simply be carried (disgusting liquid) and had to dump it. That is extremely rare for me, I usually pick up others trash. But there are situations where you simply need a bin, no matter how green you are.
Think of the stupidest person you know, etc etc.
Hardly an issue of stupidity. We’ve got shops a short ride away that sell you disposables with the intent of bringing them into the park. And we’ve got a park that’s removed the bins used to cart the waste back out again.
The stupidity is in the policy. Either you have to prevent people from bringing this stuff in (incredibly difficult) or you have to manage the waste that exists by centralizing its collection and export (significantly easier and cheaper).
People that litter are atupid/lazy/poorly educated.
Unfortunately, if you don’t provide bins, some people are going to litter. Does my head in.
Selling food that comes with garbage included, in a location without bins, is littering.
But that’s why you take the rubbish home with you, where there is a bin. Where’s the end user responsibility?
You used “but” as if you were going to disagree with me, but then you didn’t. It was strange.
That’s not how this works.
there is a bin in the café according to you lmao.
this is ridiculous tbh, protecting wildlife is more important than your convenience in that place lmao, you’re annoyed that you have to walk inside to throw your trash?? wtf lol.
The only problem with the bins that got removed had with wildlife was when wasps nested in them one year. They had sprung loaded flaps
There are probably just going to be more people dropping trash on the floor instead of a bin
If you’re planning a picnic, you bring your own trash bags, sort your trash, and dispose of it properly. And you will eventually make the effort to produce less rubbish, for example, ask to take your order without napkins or a plastic bag.
You operate a cafe and sell stuff that is trash 5 minutes later? You print a trash bin.
This has been happening in New Zealand for a while. The theory seems to be that bins attract more litter and are a hazard to wildlife.
I was sceptical at first but it actually seems to work.
Perturbs me that they are selling food though. Surely yhe food sellers should have bins for which they are responsible in their immediate vicinity.
How do trash cans attract more litter?
I don’t think it works. I think the resulting litter is just more distributed and therefore harder to register. Instead of an overflowing trash can, it’s a napkin here, a cup there, and a lot of it ends up eaten by wildlife or in waterways so not very visible.
No, a lot of people are actual decent human beings and understand the simple concept of packing out your own garbage.
If someone sees a full garbage, they aren’t suddenly going to become a decent person, no they add to the pile making it worse. Don’t give them that option, and well most people actually turn decent. Since to throw it on the ground and get caught is different than just “adding to the pile”. It’s amazing what a little public embarrassment can fix.
Or just…actually empty the bins?
And what if someone decides to empty their garbage from their vehicle filling it up and now it’s not being emptied until the next morning?
I’m guessing you would want someone standing there to empty it the second it gets full….?
Well first of all, yes.
Second, pretty sure that’s “dumping” and not legal, so record their license plate and send em a fine.
Using a public bin to empty your vehicle is illegal? That’s what the bins are for dude. Wow, you really have no clue about any of this do you?
In the US it isn’t legal to dispose of your house hold trash in a public trash can. You can throw a few things away but if you show up with a few bags of junk you can get in trouble.
Depends on your locality but yeah, if you fill up a public bin with trash that can be illegal. You’ll figure out things like that one day, when you grow up.
It mildly infuriates me that you can’t see the logic in taking your rubbish with you when you leave.
While this is the ideal outcome, in reality people are just going to throw their trash in the bushes.
And they should be fined for dumping.
Or the park could invest in basic services instead of criminalizing guests.
Littering used to be illegal most places. It should be illegal pretty much every public place. If you’re breaking the law, you’re criminalizing yourself. This is like saying we shouldn’t resurface roads because it criminalizes speeders.
People who do this already did even when bins were still there. Because placing rubbish into pocket or backpack is so hard!
Saying they are committed to producing no rubbish on site on a sign, then selling things that result in rubbish, is hypocritical.
Do you have an example of something that would be sold that had no resulting rubbish?
Food that comes on reused plates and/or drinks in reused cups. Much of the advertising around littering prevention was developed by industries who saw profits in creating a lot of single use items that wanted to shift the blame for any litter to individuals instead of them. When you see an empty bottle of Pepsi floating in a pond, Pepsi deserves more criticism than whoever dropped that specific bottle since they are the ones who brought it into the world, and they do it on a much larger scale than any 1 person could ever manage.
Food that comes on reused plates and/or drinks in reused cups.
The food all came in packaging, and stuff breaks or gets dropped, NOTHING is ever rubbish free dude…
If you are a business generating rubbish, it is your moral responsibility to account for that rubbish. The business selling stuff doesn’t have their employees filling their pockets with the bulk food packaging rubbish at the end of the day to dispose of at home; they have their own bins. They just don’t want to be responsible for all the rubbish they generate cause it costs them more money than trying to put that responsibility on someone else.
If you are a business generating rubbish, it is your moral responsibility to account for that rubbish.
Yes and if you take them their garbage they gave you with their food, they will deal with it. They just don’t want to deal with the public’s granola bar wrappers, so they are now where they control the garbage.
If you bring them your garbage and they dispose of it in their bins, does that not fit your moral requirement? Or do you want bins every 10 feet to satisfy your laziness? Can’t walk balk to where you paid for stuff to return the garbage….,?
You seem to think there is no bins… obviously the cafe will produce garbage, I never stated they wouldn’t. I was pointing out people like you, that there HAS TO STILL BE BINS. So yes, they do have a way of dealing with it. So take your rubbish to them, and they will gladly deal with it. Does that work?
bread bowl lol
You eat the spoon?
Bread comes in a package… The soup that goes in it had a container…. Utensils to consume…?
No, which is why it’s stupid to take bins away from stores/cafes.
I don’t see a cafe in the picture? Are you sure this isn’t down the trail and the cafe still has a garbage…?
Cafe deals with its own garbage, and I’m sure if you asked to put your napkin in it, they wouldn’t have a single issue.
Photo is under the red dot (
you can see the play area in the background of the photo)nvm, no you can’t. But that’s where it is!
So the inside of the cafe obviously has bins that could be used… and they don’t want to PUBLIC non cafe people filling it……
Do people even stop to think for 2 seconds before bitching?
So only mildly infuriating?
Going from OPs description as the sign doesn’t show the area. There is a couple benches in the background, which leads me to believe it’s reasonably accurate.
Obv the situation is a little different if OPs not being honest.
Even then, the cafe will take your garbage and put in their bin. They don’t want their refuse filled up with public waste as the charge would fall on them.
Clearly they have a way of still dealing with waste…. And why wouldn’t they take their own waste back? People are going off the deep end without even stopping to think for half a fucking second.
Or… You could just put a bin where the public can use it.
This is stupid.
You’re weird for not knowing the OP’s actual point?
I can see taking things that I brought with me like granola bar wrappers and water bottles, but if you have a cafe selling cheeseburgers, fountain drinks, and coffee, it seems dumb to expect people to carry all that home rather than allowing them to throw it away at the same place they bought and consumed it.
Yeah but the Cafe does have bins inside. It’s just the park that removed the public waste bins.
Well, I hadn’t seen that mentioned anywhere, so if that’s the case I agree it’s not a big deal to pack your trash back to the cafe.
It’s a cafe area; they are giving you trash with your meal/drink, not providing a bin for it, then expecting you to pack it out.
Expecting people to packout the garbage they brought with them is one thing (that still doesn’t get followed); but if you’re going to provide the public with trash, you’ve gotta give them somewhere to dispose of it.
That’s not how human behavior works…
Someone thinks they’re very clever and they aren’t.
Weird, when Japan does it everyone praises them. I guess us western societies are just too trashy to clean up after ourselves.
I came here to comment on Japan, haha. Almost everywhere you go, no trashcans and no trash! Their society is like a hive mind in a lot of ways, though. I’m not sure it’ll work with Rugged American Individualism®
Edit to add: Damn, I just realized OP is in England. Maybe they can make it work.
I looked it up and they seem to still have them in train stations plus in areas where trash/recyclables is expected to be generated (convenience stores, vending machines, parks) so it seems like a bit of a stretch (also the reason for less trash cans being a 1995 sarin gas attack).
Even just the train station bit seems like an unfair comparison for places without any sort of public transportation (where people walked/biked from home). Yeah, I can see people being more likely to hold their trash if passing receptacles is part of their planned route.
Everyone praises them? The only times Ive heard (from westerners visiting/moving there) is that it is very annoying that there is never anywhere to throw away their trash
Different experiences then, because most people I’ve spoken to about it there and back home have talked about how clean it was despite that and commended the society for being so responsible with their waste.
Japan takes the garbage bins away from cafes?
Lots of corner stores and vending machines in Japan that sell basically full meals and no trash can in sight.
I don’t think people realize that custodial staff are different than general park staff. If they have bins then they need to deal with that whole process and have at least one dedicated employee. I’d rather have to carry my trash and let the park use that money elsewhere.
For what it’s worth, I do agree it’s probably “gentrification” in the sense that the concept of carry in/carry out is more prevalent in middle class communities, mostly because they are more likely to engage in hobbies where or go to places where it’s a more prevalent part of the culture. I’m not sure non-middle class people have the same experiences/lifestyle that lead to thinking this makes sense to do.
I’ve never been to a Japanese cafe, but knowing what I know about them from Japanese acquaintances, yeah, mostly.
They’d probably either use actual dishware that is returned and washed, or yes, expect people to bring disposable waste home with them. Everything I’ve heard is that public trash bins are not non-existent, but they are rare.
No they’re there, however there aren’t trash bins once you leave the food vendor. So people just finish eating and dispose the trash there. Even if it’s a stall or food truck, you can hand your trash back to the staff.
If it’s for carry-out, people will pack their trash for disposal at home (you’ll see a ton of people walking around with backpacks and totebags).
Yeah for this reason, you don’t see this culture of eating/drinking while on-the-go in Japan lol. It’s too inconvenient.
Source: I spent 1.5 months in Japan
It’s not actually much different in Germany, there’s zero bins just randomly lining the streets. Areas with shops will have some, parks and playgrounds usually have one or two, but that’s it. “Park” here is to be understood quite broadly, it might be a footpath with nice view and some benches. Bus stops also tend to have bins.
So bring our own bin and pickup the stuff other people dropped as well?
Just though it on the ground
- the general public, probably
Did you mean throw?
I’M AN ADULT
All the regulars will because fuck you. It not about the environment. It’s about them “cutting costs”
I was walkin’ through the forest
And a sign said they removed the bins to produce less rubbish
“We kindly ask all visitors to take their litter home!”
Man, what do I look like, a garbage bin?
So they’re creating litter that they can bay about and use to make the park a members-only place.
See how much garbage you can stack on/wedge into the sign before they put bins back there.
I think the site office has a post box
That’s just a hassle for the postal service and people sending mail; they undoubtedly have nothing to do with this. (tampering with mail is also a felony…)
As in, their reception’s front door has a letter box.
Ah, I see. I was picturing the typical standalone postbox that you deposit letters to be mailed in.
I fully support the choice to remove the bins. I visited a beauty spot in Scotland recently that has a coffee van in the carpark. The young couple I took there went to add their empty cups to the already overflowing bin, and were baffled when I insisted they take them to the car, which was ten steps away. “But there’s a bin!” Yes you numpties, and the wind is already spreading its contents everywhere. Be part of the solution, not the problem.
Just take your own rubbish home
there should be a rule that, if you sell stuff, which produces rubbis - you have to provide enough bins for said trash.
In my opinion in forests or nature parks everyone has the responsibility to behave respectful towards nature. This means do not even cause rubbish. If someone wants to sell stuff, then do not sell disposables. Instead serv in glasses or similar. On the other hand people should not buy disposables in nature parks. Just bring your own stuff e.g. thermos flask.
