• FauxLiving@lemmy.world
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    “It is emphatically the province and duty of the Judicial Department to say what the law is.”

    -Supreme Court, Marbury vs Madison

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    Fat Donnie has no idea what the duties of the US President even are. Dear Karma, one fast golf ball to the noggin would be appreciated.

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      9 hours ago

      While we’re wishing: Lightning strike during a golf swing on a clear blue day would be a nice message

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      When Trump dies, someone else will take over his role, and that other person is bound to be a lot smarter than Trump (it’s a very low bar). At this point, it seems to me like the only thing that might stop the usa’s descent into fascism, is Trump completely destroying the economy in record pace because of his unfathomable stupidity. If the usa opposition can’t defeat fascism with Trump in charge of the fascists, then they have no chance with someone like Vance in charge.

      The allies had the same dilemma with Hitler in WW2. They had a solid plan to assassinate Hitler and they really wanted to, but Hitler’s meddling incompetence was helping them win the war.

      Additionally, British officials believed that Hitler’s incompetence and flawed military tactics were, in fact, advantageous to the Allied cause. They argued that by leaving Hitler in power, the Allied forces could continue to leverage his bungling strategy against the Germans. They believed that replacing Hitler with a competent successor could pose a greater challenge, as they might be more adept at waging war against the Allies. Source: https://ahistoryfactaday.org/the-controversial-decision-to-not-assassinate-hitler-in-1944-weighing-political-pragmatism-and-conventional-tactics/

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        Smarter? Quite possibly.

        But I’d say the people who are smarter are already manipulating him behind the scenes anyhow. Anyone coming after would at least have less of a cult following hopefully

  • Nightwingdragon@lemmy.worldOP
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    The more important take from this article is that Trump has escalated his claims and now claims that nothing he does is subject to judicial review at all.

    The scary part is that there is a non-zero chance that the Supreme Court could rule in his favor. And at that point, God help us all.

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      I am optimistic the SCOTUS won’t take the bait. Not because they’re against Trump, but rather because they don’t seem as eager to surrender their own power than Congress is. Even in their notoriously pro-Trump rulings last year, they took care to keep the Judiciary involved in interpreting the extent of the Executive’s powers.

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        Yet Roberts was fuckin dumb enough to give scrotus nearly complete immunity, which is functionally the same. If the courts rule against any specific action there is nothing to stop him from immediately doing it again.

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          Go read that ruling again. It was nearly complete immunity for official acts, with the courts deciding what constitutes an official act. It was as much of a power grab for the Judiciary as the Presidency.

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            Exactly. While we need a strong judiciary right now it’s important to understand that the “near miss” scenario of dictatorship leaves us with a supreme court that has too much power and has abdicated its sense of responsibilities.

            Our government is supposed to be that the legislature decides broad policy, the executive implements it in accordance with the will of the people, the spirit of the law, and knowledge of their in house experts, and the judiciary (post maybury) serves as a check that blocks laws and policies. As it is today, the judiciary and executive decide policy, the executive does whatever it damn well pleases, and the legislature and judiciary attempt to block various things.

            I remember when government shutdowns were a thing so rare as to be absurd but today we do them all the time except when needed

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              Government shutdowns are a unique situation, specific to the US Congress, because Congress has decided to structure the government to be inefficient, on purpose:

              • It authorizes new programs and appropriates money for them in separate process, leaving the real possibility that an authorized program does not have funding.

              • It often cannot agree on appropriations levels, but needs to continually appropriate funds to keep the government running, leading to these continuing regulations that just kick the can down the road

              • It sets a statutory limit on the amount of debt the government can take on, but then appropriates more money than it takes in, making it so that even if all appropriations bills are on time, the government may run out of cash on hand unless the debt limit is increased.

              Congress does this, on purpose, to make sure that there is plenty of opportunity to debate spending levels. But in practice, since nobody can agree in a long-term vision, we just lurch from crisis to crisis.

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      I’m pretty sure that would effectively all state mandates to participate in the Constitution, effectively dissolving it.

      It’s very clear that Trump does not realize that dissolving the Constitution means states no longer need to adhere to the joined Republic. That agreement IS the Republic. If it not longer exist then States are their own territories, and DC is nothing.

      They activate their national guard forces, assume control of stationed assets, and stop sending DC money. That’s it. Then it’s every state for itself, and guess where all the good shit is he thinks he’s just going to order around? In those “Coastal Elite” states he’s always belittling.

      No incoming money, no people to order around, and only his little cavalcade of dipshits who no longer have positions of power…

      As somebody else had mentioned, he’d be killed in a heartbeat, and then the groveling and backtracking would immediately begin to try and undo what he’s done.

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        Krasnov, mission accomplished with the United States finally dissolved, take your well-deserved rubles, comrade!

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        Any backtracking would be useless, once the country is gone there is no way to put it back together without a lot of bloody violence. Even then it will be a powder keg ready to explode again as soon as the leader who managed to put it back together is gone.

        These 50 states are held together by a common history and the republic they participate in. The history is meaningless once the republic is gone. At least we will get to see the birth of a bunch of new nations. But that will come with a ton of war as the wanna dictators in red states try to take whatever they can.

    • BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca
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      If the supreme court agrees, we’ll get to test how well the second amendment helps maintain a free country.

      I’m going to assume it does nothing, and all the gun deaths were for nothing.

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        If the supreme court agrees, we’ll get to test how well the second amendment helps maintain a free country.

        Look at Jan 6. That is exactly what they think is happening. They are making America great again. There is a reason people are getting doxxed.

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        The second amendment was created to make it impossible for the president to have a standing army.

        That was the whole “militia” thing. Federalist Paper 29 covers the entirety of it in like … 12 paragraphs.

        The states would have to require every man to own a firearm and train to be in a militia as designated by Congress for national defense because armies make empires. And newly created US Americans wanted to be free of imperial horseshit.

        The second amendment wasn’t to defeat a president who broke bad. Men elected to POTUS were never supposed to be like Trump. And that was our, as US Americans, biggest blindspot. That an American president would never treat Americans like how American presidents treat smaller nations.

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      At that point, he’ll die, Vance will take his place, and will be so un-charismatic that he’ll be defeated by a Democrat in 2028 which will find themselves with all this power thanks to the Supreme Court… but will prefer to take the high road and reach across the aisle only to get fucked once again.

      Well, I tried.

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        Nah even if they tried SCOTUS would figure out some way to suddenly narrow it’s ruling. And being a good Democrat they’d comply.

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          There’s already a path for them to do this.

          Trump is already calling for a ban on nationwide injunctions, saying that any injunctions or rulings can only be applied to the specific people involved in the lawsuit and are not binding anywhere else.

          If Congress passes such a bill, Trump will certainly sign it.

          And once that happens, the Supreme Court could at that point just anoint Trump with whatever powers he wants and not have to worry about those powers being used by the next President, since their rulings would only apply to Trump by default, which is exactly what he wants. It would literally turn our judicial system into Calvinball.

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        Had me in the first half, not gonna lie. For a second, I thought you believed that the Democrats would try to do something productive.