And before anyone makes a cheeky “what do you need this for 🤨” comment, I’m a writer. I’m not going to murder anyone I promise, I just want to write a scene where one guy gets poisoned.

I need something that doesn’t require modern technology to extract/produce, and would make sense to be avaible in a place with a temperate to mediterranean climate. The slower, the better. Does a plant or something like that exist or do I need to make one up?

Update: I looked into death cap mushrooms and they might be just what I’m looking for! Long reaction time, and being dried doesn’t make them less toxic! (the scene takes place in midwinter so no fresh ones would be avaible) If anyone has more info on them, please do share.

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    You could go for Paracetamol/Acetaminophen. The lethal dose is quite low and in theory low enough someone could poison someone else with it. And once symptoms set in people’s livers are often beyond rescue and they die a very gruesome death unless we find a transplant organ in time.(And even then survival is not guaranteed)

    And it’s relatively save to use in writing as it is coated/mixed with enough bittering agent these days that it actually wouldn’t work that well to secretly posing someone.

    If you need something with a shorter timeframe Methanol is an option.

    And of course there’s always Dihydrogen monoxide-everyone who has even had one drop of it will die eventually but the time range depends on the dose. With very high doses people die in minutes,with medium doses (this is actually sometimes used by inmates to kill themselves) they die within a day, with lower dose after decades, but some die mere days after they ingested the mere last drop of it. Nasty stuff and very available.

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    Mushrooms are a good option, and you can just make up a species if you want specific time frames/symptoms. Mushrooms can cause a lot of weird symptoms.

    There’s also a brain eating amoeba or other sickness from still water (people back in the day were very aware of tainted water).

    If you have access to polar animals, a unique poisoning would be vitamin A toxicity from their livers. It’s a horrific way to die, though (skin sloughing off).

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        Ongoing case here in Australia with a lady accused of murdering her ex and ex-inlaws. Invites them to lunch of beef Wellington and death cap mushrooms.

        3 died fairly awful deaths in the following days/weeks, 1 survived after intensive care.

        Accused of trying to murder the ex 4 prior times too.

        The “Mushroom lady” case absolutely captivated us for weeks

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          Ex-spouse: (on the phone with parents) My ex-wife has invited us over for beef wellington.

          Ex-spouse’s parents: Hasn’t she tried to kill you like four times before? Why would you accept this invitation?

          Ex-spouse: well her beef wellington is to die for!

          Ex-spouse’s parents: Well that’s good enough for us, were in see you a 6

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    For what it’s worth, I was able to get some AI suggestions. You’ll ofc have to research these more yourself but it could be a starting point for inspiration. Online models won’t answer this but I was able to persuade my local model to give me a list. The following is from the llm:

    For a poison that can be extracted without modern technology and fits your climate criteria, I'd suggest the 
    following options:
    
    1. **Aconitum** ( Monk's Hood or Wolf's Bane): A toxic plant native to Europe, Western Asia, and North Africa, 
    which thrives in temperate to Mediterranean climates. The plant contains aconitine, a powerful neurotoxin that can 
    cause numbness, nausea, and eventually death if ingested.
    2. **Henbane (Hyoscyamus niger)**: A perennial herb native to Europe, Asia, and North Africa, commonly found in 
    temperate and Mediterranean regions. It contains scopolamine and hyoscyamine, which can cause hallucinations, 
    delirium, and paralysis if ingested.
    3. **Yew (Taxus baccata)**: A coniferous tree native to Europe, Western Asia, and North Africa, often found in 
    temperate and Mediterranean climates. The seeds of the yew plant contain taxine, a toxic compound that can cause 
    cardiac problems and death if ingested.
    
    For a more subtle, slower-acting poison, you might consider:
    
    1. **Oleander (Nerium oleander)**: A shrub native to the Mediterranean region, which also thrives in temperate 
    climates. The plant contains oleandrin, a cardiac glycoside that can cause arrhythmias and death if ingested.
    2. **Datura** (Jimsonweed or Devil's Trumpet): A flowering plant native to the Americas, but introduced to other 
    regions, including Europe and Asia. It grows in temperate climates and contains scopolamine and hyoscyamine, which 
    can cause hallucinations, delirium, and paralysis if ingested.
    
    Keep in mind that these plants are all highly toxic and should be handled with caution (if at all). If you're 
    writing a scene where someone gets poisoned, it's essential to convey the severity of the situation without 
    sensationalizing or glamorizing the poison.
    
    Feel free to mix and match or modify these options to fit your story. Good luck with your writing!
    
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      For what it’s worth, I was able to get some AI suggestions.

      Eeeewww.

      It wasn’t worth anything.

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      ah yeah the subtle, slow acting poison, the checks notes atropine

      all of these except one work on nervous system which means that they act rapidly. this is worse than useless

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    Dimethylmercury.

    Two drops will kill you in a few months and nothing can be done. It penetrates clothing, regular latex gloves, and skin very easily and unnoticed.

    Pretty terrifying stuff. Not sure you’d be able to figure out availability or production in your plot, but as far as poisons go you’d be set for time between dose and death.

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    Yeah, in a historic setting, use something readers will recognize, as well. Arsenic, Mercury, that kind of thing. They’ve been used as a poison, and have accidentally poisoned, for so long that they’re tropes of their own. Both of those in specific were available in the region you’re using.

    Plus, they’re going to be really easy to describe the actions of, and don’t require medical knowledge to understand the effects of. Well, the stuff that’s going to be useful to show on page anyway, the stuff that happens inside organs might take a little.

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    As a writter you should get enough details wrong that someone trying to follow your recipie fails. Ideally they are also caught.

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    There was a theory a while back that Napoleon died from arsenic poisoning due to the damp Mediterranean climate causing the decay of a green wallpaper using an arsenic based dye. It didn’t end up being entirely true but he may have been slowly poised by environmental arsenic throughout his life. Here is an article about it.

    Arsenic is a naturally occurring element in the Earth’s crust as metallic crystals or combined with other elements. Being a heavy metal, arsenic bioaccumulates. That is, it builds up in the body over time, so slow poisoning is possible.

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    Heavy metals in artists’ oil paints.

    You can always dig into true crime, see what methods are used to kill husbands.

    Check out ChubbyEmu on YouTube. He’s a pharmacist who presents strange and interesting medical stories (with dramatic re-enactments) involving unusual chemical exposures that damage and sometimes kill people. Examples: soda, coconut water from a bad coconut, a fermented soup, ivermectin ordered online, lab chemicals stolen by a student and given to a disliked roommate, and so on. Maybe something there will inspire you. ChubbyEmu does a good job of breaking down complex medical into an easily digestible format.

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    What do you mean by slow? Time till symptoms? time till death? Hours? Days? Weeks?

    Raw castor beans contain ricin its a cool looking plant that gets big. My neighbor grew on once accidentally.

    symptoms commonly begin within two to four hours, but may be delayed by up to 36 hours.

    Unless treated, death can be expected to occur within 3–5 days; however, in most cases a full recovery can be made.

    Actually a lot of beans are toxic when raw, but not deadly. Raw lima beans are special though; they contain something that the human body breaks down into cyanide. No clue how long that takes or how many it would take to cause harm.

    Heavy metals (mercury, arsenic, cadmium, lead) are known for building up over time with many exposures. Think mad hatter syndrome, etc. but exposures can also be acute if high enough. IIRC acute arsenic poisoning makes you vomit and diarrhea until you die of dehydration after days or weeks.

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    Good luck with your writing! I too have had to search for some very silly things for things I’ve written! As for slow acting poisons, only ones I could think of that would be really available modernly would be like, antifreeze and such, but I don’t think that’s so slow acting. And usually it’s kids and dogs that get into that.

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      There’s a historical analog for antifreeze poisoning: poisoning from improperly brewed alcohol (methanol poisoning)

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    In almost every case in fictional writing it’s better to make up a poison then use a real one. That way you don’t have someone picking it apart later. Also you can give it whatever propties you want/need. Now excuse me while I continue to work on my immunity to iocane powder.

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      They’re gonna pick it apart anyway. A reader criticized the historical accuracy of a fantasy novel my sister wrote.

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          I have read some novels where their history straight up breaks if you think about it for too long. Not saying this happened in this case but I read a fantasy novel that had a history that implied that people existed in the wrong times. Like this person was said to have died in X year yet someone met someone who was born in X+100 years.

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          Not even that, (in a medieval-fantsy setting) one criticized the use of archer for defense, another wanted for her to write the exact years the events happened… Another one asked why one nation had an italian-sounding name, while the bordering countries had foreign-like names, and different languages! (hello, ever been to Europe?) @monarch@lemm.ee (is this how I mention someone?)

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            that is indeed how you mention someone. Yeah being pedantic for the sale of it isn’t something I understand. Unless it impacts my ability to enjoy the story I couldn’t care less.

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        I knew a guy I was working summers with in college. Said he did not like roger rabbit because it was unrealistic.

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        I’ve never seen anyone even think twice about the Tears of Lys or The Strangler. And after Milk of the Poppy, it’s established that we may expect some similarity to reality in this world.

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          Mental illnesses are very clearly defined, for example in the ICD-10 puplished by the WHO. Pedantry is defnetly not listed in there.

          And yes, this was an attempt of humour.