Summary
The Atlantic has published unredacted attack plans (non-paywall link) shared in a Signal group chat of senior Trump officials, including Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, CIA Director John Ratcliffe, and DNI Tulsi Gabbard.
Editor-in-chief Jeffrey Goldberg released the full texts after officials denied sharing war plans or classified information, arguing transparency was necessary amid accusations of dishonesty.
The leaked messages detailed U.S. military strikes targeting Houthis in Yemen.
They dropped the guy’s girlfriend’s apartment building on him to kill him.
Hope it was a townhouse and not a tower.
The fucking disregard for human life.oops military go vroom
Collateral damage matters to those in power insofar as the victims are popular with the voting public.
And when you can limit access to voting, gerrymander, and run illegal lotteries to skew the vote, well… then the voters don’t matter either.
53 dead, not a townhouse.
Yeah. Expected nothing less from the pro-life party.
But I thought the defense secretary said it didn’t happen! It’s a smear job!
The Atlantic putting a paywall on this when they got the texts for free from a government handout is peak America…
Turn JS off to “bypass” it
OP linked an archive link, and updated the post to have it.
But I clicked it before and had the same reaction as if I opened a box labeled “dead dove”.
Good journalism is very expensive to produce. You got to pay for it somehow.
Exactly why I used to subscribe to the Washington Post until Bezos wiped his ass with it. I’ll have to look into subscribing to The Atlantic now.
Yeah I’m considering dumping NYT too. I heard Reuters was a better ‘investment’. Please someone tell me if that’s wrong. I don’t want to support Billionaires.
Wired “has been killing it” during the ongoing soft coup, to quote my journalist wife, and we’ve replaced our WaPo subscription with that. We can never dump NYT just because of the recipes.
PBS and NPR are pretty decent places to put your subscription moneys
Hopefully they survive this administration.
I have been The Atlantic subscriber for about 5 years now. I think it has pretty great writers on staff. Their physical subscription is pretty cheap too.
I’m not disagreeing in a general sense, but it’s funny to make that argument here when this info basically fell into the journalist’s lap. Very little actual journalism went into making this story possible
But think of how much money is going to be needed for the security detail this guy is gonna need for the foreseeable future. Or the costs of retaining legal representation to help him navigate through what is guaranteed to be an endless sea of investigations, frivilous lawsuits, etc. that the Trump administration is guaranteed to launch until something sticks.
I wouldn’t be getting on any planes any time in the near future if I were him either.
JG got the texts for free but he’s probably gonna need someone watching his 6 now. And I’m pretty sure a lawyer is billing for helping them figure out how to publish the details and still avoid getting trapped into anything illegal, like naming the CIA agent.
Nah, the guilty parties already told congress nothing the texts did not contain classified material, so releasing them should be fine. It’s not like this administration would suddenly change its mind now, surely.
They shouldn’t be doing any of that on Signal anyway.
Good. Should have done that to begin with.
He looks really special in that pic.
I am so glad i was wrong. Props for releasing the info.
Props for admitting that. This world (and the current white house) could use some of that. It’s refreshing.
Honestly I’m enjoying overshooting the cynicism because now when I’m wrong it’s almost like it’s something good. It’s ok to be wrong, it’s just poor form to be salty about it.
A CIA spokesperson asked us to withhold the name of John Ratcliffe’s chief of staff, which Ratcliffe had shared in the Signal chain, because CIA intelligence officers are traditionally not publicly identified. Ratcliffe had testified earlier yesterday that the officer is not undercover and said it was “completely appropriate” to share their name in the Signal conversation. We will continue to withhold the name of the officer. Otherwise, the messages are unredacted.
The news outlet these fucktards accidentally leaked their detailed operational plan and timeline to…
… is still excersizing better OPSEC than the actual head of the CIA.
I don’t understand. If they don’t recall why can’t they just open up their personal phone and check?
… So, the angle they are going with now is that this was a very serious offensive and nefarious act perpetrated against Mike Waltz, the guy who created the group chat.
M Waltz is saying that well hey maybe this piece of shit Goldberg guy (the journalist) hacked his way into the chat? Maybe it was an inside job, or an outside cyberattack, and somebody swapped out Goldberg’s phone number with another one of my contacts, so that when I tried to add a legit person who should have been in that group chat, it tricked me and added Goldberg!
… Yeah. These idiots are unfortunately in charge of investigating themselves, and at least Hastings seems to be saying ‘no it is utterly impossible that I accidentally added the wrong guy to the chat, I was clearly the victim of some kind of hack!’
https://youtube.com/watch?v=hJ2gxzPEzjU
Yes, Mike Waltz ‘takes full responsibility’… by positing an inconsistent mess of possible cyberattacks/manipulation techniques that could have been used against him, absolutely no way he fat fingered a contact add, nope.
Did they leave out some high ranking general with the same name? In their frantic CYA narrative isn’t there some key person missing from the chat, and if so why not name them?
I mean, you nailed it right there, if it was that, then they could just say who had the similar name.
… but that isn’,t possible when everyone involved is a sentient piece of ratshit molded into the form of a human, that has absolutely no ability to ever admit any fault or take responsibility for anything, ever.
These people are all completely unqualified, sociopathic opportunists with moral fiber composed of fucking anti matter, they’d instantly explode if they ever attempted to flex those moral muscles and develop any actual principles.
I have, entirely seriously, known multiple meth/fentanyl addicts (in the process of detoxing) with better moral character, sense of responsibility for their actions, honesty, loyalty, and principles they strive to live by.
Turns out that the current administration was just a bunch of DUI hires.
I have been in fucking EVE Online corporations with better OPSEC than these guys.
This would be hilarious if I didn’t fucking live here.
Oh yeah absolutely.
I never partook in any of that myself, but yeah I’ve watched/listened to some hours of youtube videos doing their best to recount some of the more insane history of subterfuge, sabotage, getting rival clan members installed as spies, as CEOs and masters of coin in their enemy’s corps, draining all their funds and liquidating an entire clan after a 3 year long deep undercover op with the spies regularly being on voicechats of some kind, and then just doing the deed and ghosting everyone …
…fucking bonkers shit for a video game clans… but yeah, many of those kinds of stories show people with better understanding of spycraft and opsec than… the literal, actual, current heads of the CIA, DoD, etc.
absolute clown world.
i’m not even educated in opsec or sysadmin work and i have better fucking security lmao.
When is the last time that a non-poor has ever gotten tried and convicted for perjury?
It is the silent threat to keep poor people honest in court while allowing rich people and lawyers to lie their hearts out and use it for publicity because “they wouldn’t lie under oath”
https://daily.jstor.org/why-is-perjury-so-rarely-prosecuted/
Exactly.
Gabbard tried to be more clever than she actually is.
Man, I miss old school Chappelle… Ever since he brought Elon Musk on stage I’ve just been hoping he’d go the fuck away.
Same. Half Baked is one of my favourite stoner movies, this shit has been so disappointing.
Ten Bezos Bux says nothing will come of this.
Do you want something to come out of this? I personally don’t want Trump (or any other US president) having an efficient war machine.
Trump has already written it off saying “Waltz learned his lesson.”
So now we get to see if anyone is actually willing to stand up to Trump.
Why not hire someone who isn’t learning their lessons as they go? You know, someone with experience?
👊🇺🇸🔥
I’d be afraid of being arrested for treason even though Trump’s people claim it wasn’t classified
This is beyond bat shit nutz. We gotta throw these idiots in prison NOW. There’s so much more in those texts and 3 times more people involved. Also these dumb fucks lied under oath yesterday! Can’t be trusted, way under qualified and they’re territorial to this country. What happened to “common sense”? Always fucking Opposite Day with these clowns. Throw them in prison!
Ideally, yes, you’re right. But… gestures broadly at United States judiciary it doesn’t seem likely, unfortunately.
Given that these are military-related crimes, would it not be the courts-martial that should be arresting and prosecuting them rather than the regular judiciary? I’m not American and I’m not sure how it works over there, but I did watch “A Few Good Men”
Not American either, but it shouldn’t be court martial offenses given that they’re not military officers, but civilians filling politically appointed positions. Court martial trials are for servicemembers.
Why do y’all want the people failing at being evil to be replaced with people who will competently be evil?
Why do you want the people DOING EVIL to NOT BE PUNISHED?
Because they’ll be replaced by more competent evil people.
Or, perhaps, they won’t. And perhaps, evil should be punished.
Or, perhaps, they won’t.
I doubt Trump will be able to find someone less qualified than Hegseth or Micheal “added a journalist to my top secret chat” Walz.
Evil should be punished only when punishing it will not result in greater evil. Remember how the allies refused to assassinate Hitler?
You have a point. I’ve been wondering just how senate Democrats could possibly approve all these wildly incompetent boobs to these powerful positions. Maybe they want the worst people possible in these positions so that this administration implodes on itself.
But that could be giving them too much credit. It would mean they weren’t entirely spineless…
Time to start bringing the fight to them. https://www.mobilize.us/ Online voice doesn’t go as far. Start protesting.
Give them a trial first. And keep them in jail without bail until we get to their case.
So yesterday they lied to congress more often than they told the truth? So many “I don’t recall” when in fact they could pull it up on their phone and know? Traitors to American families every one of them
I fucking hate this shit so much.
So you don’t recall a lot, huh? So clearly you’re not fit for your position, good luck finding a new job tho.
Lying about sleeping with an intern - impeachment
Lying about sharing classified information on an insecure group chat - “he’s just a widdle guy 😢”
Especially bad when the whole “reason” for that impeachment was about investment fraud or something and only became about sex with intern after they couldn’t prove anything else.
Whitewater real estate scandal. Kenneth Starr was investigating him for that and when they couldn’t find anything actionable, they switched to the perjury and sex.
I’m not a fan of a President using their power to have an intern blow them (I don’t think there’s meaningful consent there), but it doesn’t compare to raping multiple women, peeping on teenage girls at Miss Teen America, and making comments about how you’d fuck your daughter if that was an option. The aristocrats!
Stop taking away women’s agency with this “meaningful consent” bullshit.
At the time I was in the Air Force, and a bunch of us were discussing this. Well over half the women at the table has the attitude of “Are you kidding? Of course, blowing the most powerful man in the world is hot as hell”.
Monica was obviously into it and an adult.
Are you a woman? How the fuck do you meaningfully say no to sex with the President?
Go fuck yourself with that “taking away women’s agency” bullshit. Bosses don’t get to sleep with employees. Teachers don’t get to sleep with students.
Monica got treated like shit for decade. That’s not “hot as hell” unless you’re a creepy misogynist that gets off on women being public humiliated.
“Sure my boss took advantage of me, but I will always remain firm on this point: it was a consensual relationship,” Lewinsky wrote in 2014. “Any ‘abuse’ came in the aftermath, when I was made a scapegoat in order to protect his powerful position.”
Lewinsky says she now sees that her relationship with Clinton was full of “inappropriate abuse of authority, station, and privilege.”
“Now, at 44, I’m beginning (just beginning) to consider the implications of the power differentials that were so vast between a president and a White House intern,” she wrote. “I’m beginning to entertain the notion that in such a circumstance the idea of consent might well be rendered moot.”
@andros_rex@lemmy.world didn’t take away Lewinski’s agency.
“Any ‘abuse’ came in the aftermath, when I was made a scapegoat in order to protect his powerful position.”
And that’s what seals the deal for me. If Clinton gave a shit about Lewinsky, he would have at least tried to protect her somewhat in the fallout. He had fun, she had consequences.
People on the left treated her like shit - I guess it is further evidence that Bill Maher has always been awful. She got played on manipulated on both sides. Her reputation was trashed and she had a hard time finding work after - it destroyed her career and future.
This was a boss that took advantage of his power and authority to get a couple loads out, and then disposed of the person once they became our nation’s designated bearer of the scarlet letter.
I had sex with men who were much older than me when I was in my early twenties. The difference was that they weren’t my boss.
Dan Savage I think had something about “campground rules” too - if you are going to have sexual relations with a legal consenting adult you are significantly older than, it’s on you to use your greater experience to leave that partner better than you found them.
I am in lots of group chats and don’t read every one of them to completion. So not all members of the chat knowing or remembering what happened is to be expected.
Yeah, but the second something juicy happens, we all scroll back and get caught up pretty quickly.
You are in group chats at this level? Because, I’m sure as fuck is not. And if I was, I’d read every message.
So many people talking about the fact that this leaked, and not enough are talking about what leaked.
We have political leaders throwing up fire emoji’s over dropping a building on a terrorist, with no regard for the, what, dozens? of innocent lives that were lost in the crossfire.
If you have to kill someone, sure, that’s a moral position we can discuss. No one should ever be celebrating it, particularly when others died in the process. But hey, they’re not Americans, so they don’t count.
We have political leaders throwing up fire emoji’s over dropping a building on a terrorist, with no regard for the, what, dozens? of innocent lives that were lost in the crossfire.
As someone who was around for “We’ll put a boot in yer ass, it’s the American way” this does not surprise me in the slightest.
They are so incredibly dishonorable it’s appalling.
plus they were probably brown, not white, so it double-y doesn’t count.
Since when do American leaders care about “collateral damage” ?
Most countries in America do care
The largest terrorist organisation in the world.
Since when do Americans im general? They sure were all united when they were leveling my country
Americans do not all support wars.
When you claim to be a democracy, and you have two group, both see killing Palestinian and brown people is okay, and your 2/3 of the population still vote for them, your statement objectively false.
Ah yes, blame the victims, that’s sure to solve the problem. I suppose I should also blame the people who live in the building that was dropped for boarding with a terrorist? I mean they can just choose to be somewhere else, right?
Fuck off.
So what should they vote for no one and stay home?
Are you suggesting that if a person votes for a given candidate then it means the person agrees with everything the candidate does?
“If we discussed dropping a building on a terrorist we should also discuss bombing weddings, so let’s stick to using proper communication channels and following proper protocol for records”
These dumbfucks have no empathy. They will tell you empathy is weakness. In reality empathy is a social defense mechanism. If we all have empathy for each other it limits the harm we do. What they’re missing is not having it isn’t some kind of advantage, historically we are the most savage to those without empathy. It causes the mob to turn their empathy off and give in to their worst impulses. They think they’ll be the first ones in history to avoid that fate. They won’t.
Look at what JD “couch fucker” Vance wrote. Regarding potentially delaying the strike. He didn’t give any shits about the benefits or risks to lives, only the optics (oil prices going up), politics and his hatred for helping Europe.
Sure, clearing the shipping lanes is “good” but it’s more helpful to Europe “gross” so that’s a tick “con” colum.
Their “worst case scenarios” were all “it could look bad”.
Sic semper tyrannis
We have political leaders throwing up fire emoji’s over dropping a building on a terrorist, with no regard for the, what, dozens? of innocent lives that were lost in the crossfire.
Correction: They dropped a building on a “terrorist” (read: brown person the US doesn’t like).
There is a reason to attack him. I don’t agree with the whole situation but shooting at cargo ships and American warships is going to get a response. I just expect the world’s most technological military to do a better job of not attacking innocent people in getting to him.
I don’t agree with the whole situation but shooting at cargo ships and American warships is going to get a response
It’s going to get a response, but that response is as immoral as the status quo it’s trying to protect.
It’s immoral on it’s face because of how they’re doing it is my point. There’s certainly a political philosophy discussion to be had about the underlying international system and American system, but there’s none to be had about throwing extra explosions around to “intimidate” a third country.
If you have to kill someone, sure, that’s a moral position we can discuss. No one should ever be celebrating it, particularly when others died in the process
I can think of a few deaths worth celebrating
There are only a few handful for whom I’d pull the trigger myself, but quite a multitude more that I would celebrate their passing with glee.
I just think, especially when we’re pulling the trigger ourselves, we should be sad, maybe disappointed, that it’s come to that. Bad people are still people, and while I believe they throw away their right to life when they start indescriminately revoking it from others, I don’t ever want to find myself happy to take life. I’ll be happy later, in the better world that’s been created.
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It’s like the confirmation of Brett Kavenau when he threw a hissy fit about how he “likes beer”…
That in and of itself should have disqualified him. If someone isn’t capable of being even-keeled and not throwing a temper tantrum, then they shouldn’t hold the highest judicial office in the land…
The dude cried and vowed retribution against one of the two parties in the US…and was still confirmed to the highest court in the country. Fucking wild.
That would have disqualified him from almost any normal job interview.
We’re talking about the same guys funded by the guy who says the ideal society is Mordor. This doesn’t surprise anyone. Everyone is expendable for the company’s machine, they wouldn’t mind targeting innocent people, let alone causing civilian casualties when targeting real terrorists.
the guy who says the ideal society is Mordor
I’m sorry, who with the what now?
idk why anybody is surprised, seeing how the republicans operate this should be obvious as fuck
No one should be surprised. We’ve seen who these people are time and time again. But we shouldn’t be so desensitized to moral bankruptcy that we completely overlook such a disgusting disregard for human life.
My favorite quote is the one where he says it could leak lol
“…If this leaks we look indecisive”
Try incompetent beyond reason. This clown world is funny if people weren’t dying.
Also this:
Pete Hegseth, after broadly describing the big picture situation/rationale for the strike, that same block of text you pulled the ‘we look indecisive’ from:
But, we can easily pause. And if we do, I will do all we can to enforce 100% OPSEC.
… I don’t even know what to say.
He said he would do all he can.
We know what his best is now.
Of course… the main thing is how they look not what good they do. It’s unforgiveable
Didn’t the original article say it mentioned a CIA operative?
It is mentioned in the text, but I don’t see anything redacted in the screenshots either.
Edit: It could be in the very first message, it’s not clear if there is text between the first and second screenshot.
A CIA spokesperson asked us to withhold the name of John Ratcliffe’s chief of staff, which Ratcliffe had shared in the Signal chain, because CIA intelligence officers are traditionally not publicly identified. Ratcliffe had testified earlier yesterday that the officer is not undercover and said it was “completely appropriate” to share their name in the Signal conversation. We will continue to withhold the name of the officer. Otherwise, the messages are unredacted.
