Please don’t give him ideas.
That’s dumb. If there’s ever a Hitler-level problem a reasonably fit guy like him can just cross through the woods into canada in several places. Stay and fight. Elon’s defeat in Wisconsin today shows that as lame as it sounds, voting does work. If you actually do it.
What can someone like this do from the US that he couldn’t do from Canada?
Vote and legally fund candidates
Please tell me this user name and these comments are a bit.
Moving abroad is different to giving up citizenship and doesn’t remove your right to vote or fund candidates.
what do you mean “if there’s ever”? People are being blackbagged off the street in broad daylight by secret police and sent to torture prisons…
torture prisons
Enhanced Employment
We’re definitely in show me your papers days
Except now they just scan your retina from afar
What is it about black on red…
Seen this one yet?
no lol that’s insanely well done.
the 8bit FOX interview with Tucker Carlson felt incredibly on theme. you could seriously remake Papers, Please with these aesthetics.
Don’t forget to show you Covid vaccine card before you enter Canada
Good.
Pathetic, maybe go join the fascists in the USA.
Hurr Durr don’t forget to show your driver’s license and insurance when you get pulled over. 🤡
you wouldn’t know what freedom was if it slapped you in the face.
I’m a US American who has been considering expatriating, but its too expensive.
Can someone tell me if my passport gets pulled, do I not have to pay the expatriation tax on my net worth?
I’m positive they will tax you all the same
I know this isn’t related to the article but I would love it as a fuck you to Trump if Canada started allowing political refugees from the states
My fear would be our MAGAts would lie tou you, claim they were never MAGA, get in, and start the same shit there.
Just so you know, Canada’s version of the NSA actually hosted NSA staff or provided signal intelligence to US agencies so they could circumvent the “no spying on us citizens” part of many laws.
We do know how to profile people and have done it internally quite well for some time. Our blind spot is more international due to being the US lapdog. But that will change soon enough.
they would have to scrub their entire social medias, they can barely work their iphones half the time.
Unfortunately they’re already here :(
One of them commented on requiring vaccine papers when coming into Canada. I told him to join his buddies down south.
Exactly
Never thought I would see a flood of Americans refugees coming to Canada to escape a tyrannical government…
I guess that’s what you get when you elect a criminal with dementia as president.
I mean… There was that whole Vietnam draft thing in the 60s/70s…
Getting close to Handmaid’s Tale every day.
Really? People have been talking about it since the Bush administration. Until now things hadn’t gotten bad enough for people to actually do it in large numbers, but people saying that if the Republicans win they’d move to Canada has been repeated so often over the decades that it became a bit of a joke.
Trump 2.0 is WAY worse than any Bush.
Remember when we thought Bush was bad? God I’d love to have him instead
I can’t believe GWB = good old days now. My how we’ve fallen
Without the crucial steps the W Bush admin took, there would be no Trump. It’s not that Trump isn’t worse but they are part of the same fascist movement, just further developed.
We are talking people fleeing the USA for their lives. This is Trump phenomena as he is demonizing and literally going after dissenters.
Bush Jr. started doing that. I recall seeing protestors who opposed the Iraq invasion being arrested for dissent. Remember Dixie Chicks? Yeah, they got cancelled for that. And, lets also not forget about the random violence against anyone remotely kinda like an Arab, to include Punjabis, Liberians, Somalians, Burmese, etc.
I feel like waaaay too many people forgot about post 9-11 shit.
Those who forget post 9-11 bullshit are doomed to repeat it. They were beating up Sikhs no fucks given.
Plus don’t forget Bush Jr was NOT ELECTED he lost the election and became president anyway.
Uh, noooo. He got 5 out of 9 votes, fair and square, and won. It was a landmark decision.
I know, but it’s the “never thought” part that I’m disputing. People have been thinking of this situation for a long time.
Agree - if people were thinking it before, now they are DOING.
Come to the Netherlands: https://dutchreview.com/expat/30-percent-ruling-netherlands/
Can someone share the text for those of us who don’t have 30 minutes to disable cookies on a broken UI
!lemmysilver
Is there a path to an eu passport? Is there an age restriction?
If you’re hot and willing to pay, I’ll marry you.
There is no “EU” passport, only passports of countries in the EU. I’m pretty sure you have to be 18 to attempt to immigrate (although that doesn’t stop many teenagers from going for it by working under the table until they can get a legit job to sponsor them, and pls do not think I’m encouraging that!)
I’m welllllll over 18. Usually most socialized medicine countries are less interested in you the older you are.
I’d love to but I honestly have no idea where to start. That 30 percent ruling is interesting.
Wouldn’t say this put loud until I’m in Canada, but yeah. Leave while you can
Must be nice to be able to leave
It’s really fucking difficult, but I’m grateful for the opportunity I have right now. For everyone’s sake I really hope the biue states wake up and realize that they’re not getting anything out of the Union
Well let me know if they need any resistance painters! I’d really like to get my family through this alive.
Excellent work!
scientists are usually the first target of when a dictator takes power, they often leave before shit hits the fan. then it goes to POC, and then lgbtq+, and then non-loyalists.
Guy in the article isn’t a scientist.
He’s quite literally a political scientist… social sciences are science too.
Controlling the universities is for control of information.
The Nazis could easily burn down the Institute of Sex Research and all it contents. Today’s fascists cannot burn down the science on queer people and global warming.
Universities have smart people who can say “hey this is the way your economic policies are harming this group of people” or “being LGBT is a normal human variation” or “the American civil war was fought over slavery” or “here are characteristics that seem to be common to every incarnation of fascism, and how they all seem to be related to what’s happening now.”
The idiot arm attacks knowledge online with Alex Jones style “information warfare” - just repeating insane falsehoods over and over again. Never playing defense, always flooding the web with lies and half truths. This is also why fascists love AI so much. (How much time do people waste arguing with bots? And the amount of bots makes these ideas seem more “normal” and common then they are…)
It kinda seems like immigrants and anti-war protesters made it to the top of the list this time.
Beat me to it. How you could say the scientists are the first to go while they are putting legal residents that have done nothing into el Salvadorian prisons is beyond me.
They didn’t say scientists are the first target, they said scientists are usually the first target. Didn’t say that they were the first target in this case.
If we all go in on a boat we can invade Ireland
They can’t stop us all
The goal will be to send Americans to die in war in Greenland and other countries through drafts. They will use American citizens to fight against the allied nations of World War Two. They will send you to die against your friends. Open your fucking eyes.
Seriously. I wonder why European countries aren’t massively jumping on this opportunity. Like every developed country, the nations of Europe need immigrants to prop up their demographics. Most of Europe’s immigrants have been coming from countries in the global South. And while such immigrants have done well for the nations of Europe, there will always be less friction in bringing in immigrants from countries of more similar culture. Fuck any racists who hate Muslims. But the cold truth is it’s probably a lot easier to integrate large numbers of politically liberal Americans into European countries than it is to integrate immigrants from Muslim countries. European countries desperately need immigration, but right wing politics is on the rise the rise, in large part due to the frictions of immigration. Obviously American and European cultures are not the same; there are still very real cultural differences. But European vs. American culture is far closer than many other cultural pairings out there.
European countries do have some very limited ancestry-based immigration policies. But they usually only go back a generation or two. If your parent or grandparent immigrated from a European country to the US, you can get easy immigration in a lot of EU countries. But for most Americans of European descent, that immigration happened generations ago.
If the EU countries were clever right now, they could take advantage of this opportunity to bring in large numbers of disaffected Americans. They could offer relocation assistance, make it cheap and easy for educated American progressives to pack their bags and jump the pond. And in exchange they get workers in their economies they don’t have to train to educate, and immigrants who would assimilate quite readily into the existing cultural milieu.
Hell, personally, I’m a typical American in that I have a hodgepodge of European ancestry. But my ancestors came over before 1900, there’s nowhere in Europe I qualify for immigration based on ancestry. But if one of the countries my ancestors came from wanted to made it cheap and easy for me to return to the old country, I would jump on that.
Hell, the politics of it sell itself. Bill it politically as “bringing the European diaspora home.”
It seems like the obvious solution is to use education and career experience to bring folks over that will support their economies. The side benefit will be relatively good cultural alignment. No need to bring race into this at all, just do the brain drain.
Funny there was a town/region in Norway (i think, it’s been a long time) that had proposed such a plan. I thought it was Ringke or somesuch, but it came off as really racist, like the “we only want the white ones back” sort of thing. Not sure what became of it.
Yeah it’s a political tight rope. And you definitely wouldn’t want to put in place any kind of horrific race or skin color requirements. You don’t want some nightmare Nazi-esque racial fraction rule. Literally just, “did you have an ancestor from this country? Ok, you can come here.” And yeah, if Norway decides to do that, then there will be some black Americans who happen to have some Norwegian ancestors who want to move there. And you have to be OK with that. There aren’t millions of pure-blooded Norwegian Americans sitting around in the US eagerly waiting their chance to return to the homeland. There are instead people like myself. I have ancestors from all over Western Europe. The single biggest chunk of my ancestry is Norwegian, but that piece is still only like 1/4 of my ancestors. I have ancestors from Norway, Germany, France, England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland, and bunch of places I don’t even know about. For all intents and purposes, my ancestry is just “generic white American.” American was once called “the great melting pot” for a reason.
It’s a political tight rope. There’s a good argument to be made for it from a purely practical perspective. If immigrants are needed, why not recruit immigrants from countries that are most similar to yours culturally? Sure, Norway and the US aren’t as similar as Norway and Denmark. But there aren’t tons of Danish immigrants just waiting for a chance to move to Norway. And while not the same, Norway and the US are a hell of a lot more similar than Norway and Afghanistan are.
If Norway imports 100,000 disaffected politically liberal Americans, how many mosques do you think those new immigrants are going to want to build there? Most probably won’t even be religious, and most of those that are will just help fill the pews of the already half-empty Norwegian churches. There’s nothing wrong with building mosques. But again, we’re talking about cultural friction here. Too much change too quick, and people feel like their culture is being replaced, and they start voting for reactionary politicians. One population intrinsically causes less disruption in integration than another. And if you need immigrants, why not select from those immigrants that can most easily assimilate into the existing culture? Normally this is a moot point. There normally isn’t a potential reserve of millions of culturally-similar immigrants that European countries could draw upon. But right now, due to the political situation in the US, there actually are millions of such potential culturally-similar immigrants.
There’s a good practical argument, but it’s hard to make the case without making yourself sound like a militant racist.
I think this guy has a point. Wonder why he’s downvoted.
Unavoidable ethnostatist undertones. Sounds a bit like the Right of Return. Won’t solve cost of living problems for current residents.
But the cold truth is it’s probably a lot easier to integrate large numbers of politically liberal Americans into European countries than it is to integrate immigrants from Muslim countries
I genuinely don’t think it makes a big difference for like 99% of immigrants. The process is pretty much the same. Gotta find work, a home and learn the language. The cultural friction you mentioned mostly affects the immigrants themselves rather than society as a whole.
Plus there are already ways for Americans to move here, especially skilled workers. There are some hurdles of course but it’s doable. Don’t really see why we should make it any easier except for potential refugees like Latin Americans and queer people.
At an individual level you are right. But this is more an issue with numbers. Immigrants do not just bring themselves; they also bring their culture. Think of it this way. Let’s say Germany decides to bring over a million politically disaffected American progressives. How many mosques do you think those million people will want to build in their new home? Maybe one or two, there will be some Muslims in that group. But most of those million won’t even be religious. And most of those that are will just help fill the pews of half-empty German churches. There won’t be a titanic shift in the German religious landscape from these million American immigrants.
Immigration starts having issues not at the individual level, but the societal level. Too many immigrants too quickly, and people start feeling like their culture is being replaced. The slower assimilation happens, the more people start feeling like their culture is being replaced. The more culturally different the immigrant population is from the native population, and the more people feel like their culture is being replaced. And the more people feel like their culture is being replaced, the more they start voting for hard right parties like AfD.
There’s nothing wrong with Muslims or with people building mosques. But I mention mosques because they are a highly visible symbol of immigrant populations with very different cultures, a symbol that right wing politicians gleefully exploit.
If Germany brings over a million disaffected Americans, what culturally disruptive things will they bring? I guess Germany will get some more McDonalds franchises and a few other American brands? But those million Americans really aren’t going to stir things up too much. It’s not like you’re going to let the Americans bring their guns with them. They’ll have to leave those behind. And the big gun nuts aren’t likely to take Germany up on its immigration offer in the first place.
And just due to genetics, give it a generation or two, and you won’t even able to tell who is descended from those immigrants without checking ancestry records. The first generation will be noticeably American, but the second, third, or fourth? Indistinguishable from the native German population. Completely assimilated.
This is foolish. People need to stay and fight, or go into hiding. A cushy, public position at a university in Canada won’t protect you if things go that far. Canada has little to no bargaining power against the US.
If they want you, they’ll get you one way or another.
only a fool would stay and fight, and get killed. did you even read any history books, germany before ww2 began, all the scientist fled, and then RUSSIA from cold war til now.
Then go hide if that’s what you think. My point is Canada is not much safer than the US.
I’d be afraid to announce it until I’m out
Wait
What happens if they try to pull my passport but I don’t have one
You get put in holding indefinitely? Or go to El Salvador.
Timothy Synder left for Canada too…
That’s two less canaries in the coalmine.
Canaries were taken into coal mines to warn the miners of poisionous gasses by dropping dead. When the canary metaphorically picks the lock on its metaphorical cage and literally makes a break for the border, I think you can consider that a sign of a similar magnitude.
It is incredibly unlikely that the republicans pull passports. They are very much dependent on people to be placated and insist “it is just temporary and I am going to live my life”. Passports are owned/used by predominantly upper middle class families who are the most likely to try to ignore the republicans while bitching and moaning that somebody is being rude and protesting in front of a Starbucks. Take away their passports and now this impacts them rather than just “trump, biden, whatever. Groceries are still expensive and I am just going to live my life and go on vacation to Italy this year”.
Historically? Yes, fascist regimes do that. That is also incredibly ineffective. We are more likely to see the China/Russia model where political crimes become increasingly prevalent (see: attacking a tesla is terrorism). The other reason to pull passports is for draft purposes. And the US Military, for as massive as it is, is not one that can be run by drafted soldiers. But republicans are also fucking idiots so… we’ll see.
So… if you can get out, get the hell out.
Naturalized citizens and trans people are definitely at the point of concern about passports being revoked
“it’s never going to happen” until it happens
How many “it’s incredibly unlikely the republicans do this” are we past now? Because it sure as hell is a ton
The “why” is important to understand.
“It won’t happen because it is illegal” or “it won’t happen because the military will save us” is patently stupid and an indicator that people aren’t paying attention.
“It probably won’t happen because it undermines their goals and the countries trump et al worships don’t do it” is actually assessing where their control comes from.
The danger with assuming everything bad will happen because it is bad is that you just give people “lines” that are easily avoided. Or quick ways to say “Oh, it isn’t THAT bad. They aren’t ACTUALLY setting babies on fire”
Are you willing to take that risk?
Because I wouldn’t
Though, hell, it’d already be too late for me, as I’m trans. Thankfully I don’t live in the US
The republicans are actively trying to erase and eradicate trans people. And, at the best of times, the democrats don’t care enough to fight. One of the most important things to understand is that your political party/affiliation probably doesn’t give a shit about you (a sadly not uniquely Asian American experience)
But there are countless “concessions” and horrors coming everyone’s way. So why fixate on something that is unlikely to happen and which all evidence points against? Even the attack on trans people was more about dead naming and causing emotional pain but the upper middle class (and above) trans folk were able to get revised passports pretty quick.
Because hurting trans folk? That is just ratings. Restricting the upper middle class? THAT is how you get people in the streets AND piss off news networks enough that they show it. Because that news anchor who is just keeping his head down? He has a vacation coming up.
Which is why:
So… if you can get out, get the hell out.
They already did pull the passports of transgender people. Clearly you’re not paying attention.
I was going to say the same thing. They started this back in January. Both taking the passports of people with an X gender identification on their passports as well as confiscating the legal documents of trans people attempting to renew their passports (birth certificates, social security cards, driver’s licenses, etc.).
“Papers please”
Don’t need to pull passports when ICE can just pretend anyone they pick up doesn’t have one.
And dispose of it if someone actually is carrying it.
