• Sam_Bass@lemmy.world
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    7 hours ago

    Sounded great until the “assist” ai feature. I friggin hate Gemini in gmail so any other kind of ai is an automatic nogo for me

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    8 hours ago

    I’d consider it. If they host things outside of the US/start moving operations overseas, it’d be a lot more interesting. I sub to Proton for email, VPN, and drive support. Still hoping someday for proper Linux drive support so Mozilla/Thunderbird can target that

  • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world
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    9 hours ago

    welp I signed up for the waitlist.

    I’ll use it for a disposable email at first, and if it endures and does well I’ll move my main shit off to it.

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    10 hours ago

    I’m listening…

    But how is a small non-profit going to afford a free email service? Ads in every email?

    • Rachel@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOP
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      6 hours ago

      Based on what I’ve seen in their forums it will be a paid service. I think it will be free at first for beta testers but I assume they are targeting people who currently use services like Proton.

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    Out of all the articles and the official release announcement, you could share, you shared forbes which violate people privacy.

    Why?

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    14 hours ago

    Lol sure destroy all the trust with your users THEN launch an email service. Hard pass fro me.

    I guarantee you they’re already planning to train an LLM on everybody’s emails, or at least sell them to AI companies doing training.

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      15 hours ago

      Yes, sort of. Thundermail addresses, apparently, or bring your own. From the linked article you’re commenting on:

      Users can send and receive email using new Thundermail accounts they sign up for. The service will also allow using your own custom domain (e.g. your.name@yourdomain.com).

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        14 hours ago

        You have always been able to use your own domain email with Thunderbird. The big news here is the fact that they are launching not only a web based mail service a la Thunderbird but also providing an email server for addresses of [yourchosenname]@thundermail.com. which is gonna be pretty great.

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          10 hours ago

          Yeah, but the Thunderbird client… ain’t great.

          And yes, I’m a Linux nerd since 2003. Thunderbird’s client sucks.

          That said, I hope this is successful.

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            I’ve been using Thunderbird for email for years. I use it with some SMTP servers on shared hosting platforms, a yahoo account and a few gmail accounts - one with calendars. I don’t have any problems with it. Runs stable, doesn’t crash or do weird things. My only complaint would be search is a little clunky, but it works.

            I had to use Outlook client for year at another job and that client was hot garbage.

          • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world
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            9 hours ago

            Whats wrong with the thunderbird client.

            Even when I was on windows back on XP I used it. Never had a problem with it or its functionality, personally.

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              Nerds like us can figure it out.

              But it’s hardly user friendly. I’m not going to get into the minutiae, but Joe Blow could probably get it to fetch, and send, but the user interface options like font size, etc., blows. Typical nerd “It’s good enough for me, RTFM, losers.”

              And I’m too old to fuck with things for fun. I want it to just work, and I’m not paying Apple prices for that, or supporting Microsoft’s eventual SaaS subscription model, which WILL eventually happen.

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              9 hours ago

              For Linux, I can’t think of another user side client. I use web based.

              So, I’m happy to see Mozilla get into that arena.

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          14 hours ago

          I assume they mean that you can use your own domain with their email server.

          I.e point your MX records to them.

          Of course you always could use your own domain in their email client. It would be a pretty shitty email client otherwise.

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    I think it’s incredibly important that people know, with absolute certainty, whether or not the new Mozilla/Firefox privacy policy in any way applies to / covers such a service.

    I’m not saying I know the answer- What I’m saying without a concrete, permanently applied answer it’s not even considerable.

    • Rachel@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOP
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      There is no email service that exists without a terms of use and privacy policy. I still feel everyone overreacted about Firefox. It’s funnier how many people said they switched to Brave because of it and all the super shady stuff Brave has done.

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        at exists without a terms of use and privacy policy. I still feel everyone overreacted about Firefox. It’s funnier how many people said they switched to Brave because of it and all the super shady stuff Brave has done.

        Being angry at the Mozilla foundation for those changes is understandable. Switching to Brave because of it is plain stupid.

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          I do think the brave devs or teams starting spreading the “switch to brave” as a growth hack. No right minded person would pick brave over ff. Maybe librewolf sure.

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        15 hours ago

        Firefox/Mozilla operated without any of the new additions for nearly the entire history of the internet until this year. If anything, “over”-reacting to the new policies was too weak a reaction. You do you and all, but I’ll agree to very strongly disagree.

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      You can’t know that with absolute certainty. Sorry, but if you’re using someone elses server for your communications and they’re not end to end encrypted, you should just assume that they can and do read your emails, and act accordingly.

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      19 hours ago

      What is it that you’re concerned about? Assume that I have no idea what either the new or old Mozilla privacy policy is, please. I tend to assume that all such are a pack of lies and everything is spying on me.

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      19 hours ago

      Tell me you have no meaningful impact on the world without telling me you have no meaningful impact on the world.

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      20 hours ago

      The people who dont are usually old as people who dont need it anymore or kids

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      20 hours ago

      You are like those people that always say “Do people still use INPUT SOMETHING”. Do you text or call only? What about your work? you call or send a text instead of email ? maybe drop of some files instead of emailing them? I have so many questions.

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        20 hours ago

        If only they could develop a federated short message system.

        Messenger/WhatsApp/slack messaging style but federated like email

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          Email is federated, it’s just not really a medium people want to limit to 500 chars…

          Nothing at all stopping you from writing a client that only allows 500 char messages in and out.

          Someone even built a chat system that used email under the hood.

        • Rachel@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOP
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          Email was originally one of the first federated systems. Anyone can host a server and send messages back and forth from other servers with a set standard. That basically is federation.

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            Email still has it’s place. So changing the interface will likely make email less useable.

            Ideally something alongside email but not email.

  • Leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    Thunderbird Pro will apparently be:

    This email thing plus Thunderbird Send (which is basically https://send.vis.ee/), Thunderbird Appointment - a scheduling tool and Thunderbird Assist, which is:

    “…at least for now, being cautiously labeled as “an experiment” that will allow users to take advantage of AI features within their email. However, the goal is to be lightweight enough that the language models can be run locally on a user’s PC in the interest of privacy. This service is being developed in partnership with Flower AI, which leverages Nvidia’s confidential compute to provide private remote processing in the event a user’s PC isn’t powerful enough. Sipes emphasizes that any remote processing features attached to Thunderbird Assist will always be optional, in the interest of ensuring complete user privacy.”

    So AI shit that nobody asked for or wants.

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      This sounds like proton except I haven’t heard a thing about cost or encryption which leads me to believe you will pay with your data and there will be no encryption.

      Proton is the bare minimum for email services. Email should be fully redone at its core.

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      "[…] This service is being developed in partnership with Flower AI, which leverages Nvidia’s confidential compute to provide private remote processing in the event a user’s PC isn’t powerful enough. Sipes emphasizes that any remote processing features attached to Thunderbird Assist will always be optional, in the interest of ensuring complete user privacy.”

      That’s a lot of words to say “we made an AI that totally won’t suck up your data, trust me bro”

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      19 hours ago

      This covers my thoughts about damn near every “helpful” feature this side of auto-complete email addresses.

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        They said it will be opt-in and are trying to make it local-first. Their provider(?) apparently allows fallback to nvidia cloud compute when the hardware can’t handle it.

        I’m not using AI to write my fucking emails, regardless. Just wanted to let people know.

        P.s. I’m dumb, skipped over quote in parent comment. Point is, there’s more to the service than optional AI bullshit, and you shouldn’t have to disable it.

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    Yet thunderbird still can’t single click open an email in a new window. If I recall correctly the request has been filed in 2014 or smt 💀

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        Nope, still requires double click.

        It’s almost like you didn’t read my comment and went straight to angry. This has been suggested for years with 0 response from Thunderbird team and there’s no way to extend it without forking and patching everything yourself.

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    Here’s what I want… I leave a computer on at home and it checks my email. I get emails from it at my phone. No setup. Make it work like Sinkthing used to work. I don’t want cloud anything. Fucking backup nightmare where my shit ends up kidnapped by a company for monthly ransom.

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    I hope to god one day the developers at Mozilla finally get tired of this shit and fork everything under a new org.

    Fuck off with more services and give me my integrated FTP client back. No one who uses Mozilla software wants more cloud shit or online services from Mozilla.

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      No one who uses Mozilla software wants more cloud shit or online services from Mozilla.

      I don’t think that’s unanimous. I’d like to use Firefox Relay, myself, and I’m willing to give thundermail a chance.

      Used to think I’d go full Proton eventually, but leaning more towards a diverse set of service providers, nowadays. It’s also my hope that these services allow Mozilla to depend less on companies like Google, and more on the users they ought to serve, which would be healthier for the org and better for users.

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        For transfers between systems you own yes, but when grabbing a Linux iso from a public server FTP works fine.

        For years Firefox allowed you to crawl FTP sites natively.