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We’re well past things leading to economic crisis, and it sure wasn’t caused by affordable housing.
HeLpiNg pEoPLe iS tOo ExpeNsiVe
Fuck. You.
This would lead to collapse eventually as no one could afford upkeep on rental housing. Making everyone who rents homes lose money would be very bad for you economy if done overnight.
We should live in Tardises
On one hand, yes this would hurt a lot of people and corporations. On the other hand, we’re already hurting, so fuck it.
We need non-profit public housing that is suitable for middle-class families.
Non-profit doesn’t mean “free” or that money is being lost, just that the goal is to provide housing at cost rather than profit-seeking. Subsidies and such would still be available for low-income households as needed.
Just ban being a landlord guys. Tax owning land that you’re not using out of existence. Rent/leases are simple vectors of wealth transferal - they move money from the poor to the rich. Everyone should own their own flat/house. Every business should own the space they work out of.
There is no good reason housing should be an investment vehicle akin to a stock or a bond.
If I were President, I wouldn’t try to rule my country like a (particularly stupid) King. I would ask Congress to convene a task force comprised of economic experts, and then to propose, debate, amend, and hopefully pass a piece of legislation that addresses housing costs while having the consent of a majority of elected representatives. And if Congress said no, I would suggest that the citizens vote in new Congresspeople who will actually take the actions they desire.
Also I would ban any stupid kids from voicing any “if I were in charge” opinions, on penalty of time-out and having their phones taken away.
It should be locked at 50 cents per square foot. So a studio apt would be like $500 a month. Its close enough to what prices were in recent memory before the insane jumps in rent cost the last decade.
Nothing actually. That would work fine. If it was handled in good faith.
Why couldn’t the US have guaranteed government housing available to any citizen that needs it? A $100 a month apartment to cure homelessness shouldn’t be a funny joke … it should be questioned with “why should it even cost money”?
Government housing tied to the cost of 1 weeks minimum wage. So simple, so elegant.
The government actually helping people without lining the pockets of the capital class? That’s commie talk
NOT IN MY AMERICA HIPPY!!! -Richard Nixon
Because then Trump gets elected, state housing gets neglected and people start dying.
Democrats never directly helping people (without lining the pockets of billionaires) is exactly why Trump was elected. FDR was the last President that actually fought for the working class and he was so popular he was elected 3 times.
I’m gonna say it: Billion Clinton is a bad person, but he was a good president.
They need the extra asbestos for fireproofing. It’s going to be hard work bringing back all the harmful chemicals of yesteryear.
For me personally I’d like a 50-60 square meter apartment for no more than 2x my annual income. And I’d like to be able to get a loan with a monthly down payment equal to whatever I’ve been paying in rent for the last couple of years.
I can pay 12500 NOK a month in rent, but for some reason the bank can’t trust me to pay the same amount if I were to buy an apartment? Fuck that.
That was a scam they put in place after 2008 when they were being punished for scamming us. (while scamming us for bailouts for the previous scam) It takes a lot of government regulation to keep the banks from stealing, good thing thats gone now!
Turn every company into a worker owned co-op and then it becomes 100x harder for companies to do shady immoral stuff
I mean thats fine as long as the Millions of chinese and vietnamese workers making Iphones get to keep their cut of the company. I just hate nationalistic protectionism. These are all global companys. I’d be down to share.
Banks used to trust people and that has led to GFC. So most governments now have legal frameworks to ensure that banks don’t trust you anymore. I don’t think you want another GFC.
Surely there can be a middle ground.
I hate that I’ve been paying close to 150k NOK a year in rent for the last ten years but for some reason I can’t be trusted with a loan unless I make a lot more and save up something like 300k.
Except for the fact that I have a place to live it feels like I’m throwing money out the window.
I don’t know what the situation is in your country, but here’s an example from the UK.
Imagine you bought a £500k house in London just after the pandemic. The mortgage rates were around 1.2-1.3%. You could afford monthly payments at the time, everything looked cool. Now a couple years later the war in Ukraine starts, economy tanks and interest rates go over 7%. Now your monthly payments become 3-4x higher and you’re fucked. You lose your house, become homeless and you still owe half a mil. The end.
So everyone else should bail you out? That’s what it is
Interesting to see the difference. In the US it’s most common for mortgages to be “fixed rate” and remain the same for the entire loan period. Downside is a higher base percentage, we got down to about 2.6-2.7% in the same time period. Upside is that your payment will never go up.
The situation in Norway is luckily a bit better than that, but I’ve heard from friends that their mortgages became a bit more expensive the last couple of years. Shit, is it really that bad in the UK? People’s payments tripled or even quadrupled? Sounds like capitalist dystopia.
From what I can gather the payments didn’t increase near that much in Norway, and we have solutions like exemption from down payments among other things for situations like the one we’re in now. I know some people with really expensive homes sold them and bought smaller cheaper ones to lighten the economic load, and a lot of people defaulted on expensive car loans. I think the situation hit people with expensive homes and cars the hardest because a lot of those people weren’t willing to adjust to the reality.
If I was allowed to get a loan I wouldn’t have gone over 1/3 of my income, just like with the rent I pay today. I’d manage, but they’re incredibly strict with who gets one.
Norway didn’t have Liz Truss crashing the economy and causing a run on the pound. It always comes down to trusting right wingers with the economy.
It was that bad for a short while, but plenty of people had to re-mortgage during that short while and they got burned real hard. But due to borrowing limitations no one became homeless. That’s the point of them. I know it doesn’t feel fair, but I saw myself all that happening and I’m happy that banks don’t trust people anymore - it’s better that way for everyone involved.
Then this is my take:
- no taxes on first home
- some tax on second home
- taxes on any home past the second grow exponentially, doubling for each additional home
- order of the homes is always from less expensive to most expensive
- same is valid for companies
- for companies owned by other companies, all the houses owned are considered as belonging to the mother (root) company, so there’s no “creating matrioskas to that each own a single house”
Obviously offices and factories are not habitable space and therefore not counted in this system.
Property taxes can also be used in this manner, you don’t need national legislation to use your city/town council. You have a lot of power at a local level to solve your local problems, its hard to get peopel organized for it. You tax undesirable housing to subsidize housing your desire. I know my problems here in Maine are different than those in California as far as real estate.
A national plan and blueprint would be nice, but i still think this is a problem with local governments that can’t be solved as each location has its own needs and problems.
There’s no market incentive for building small homes or efficent towns. Think about how much money we spent to get people to use EV’s same needs to happen for housing, you need incentives for buyers and producers to take the great leap.
Housing shouldn’t be an investment asset, especially in a for profit system, or you’ll just make BlackRock again.
It shouldn’t be an investment asset.
Homebuilding is still a business though. You still need someone to risk their money, assemble the materials and crew, complete the project and find a buyer for it.
If there’s no demand for a product no one will build it. There’s always going to be demand for a mythical product that can’t be built. Like cheap housing.
I just spent $2,000 on a handful of wood, shingles, and siding to patch my house up. like 1/10th of a single wide trailer. That’s just the materials i’ll be providing the labor which would normally cost $30-$60 hour.
So it shouldn’t be an investment asset, someone still has to invest in it being built, so that a homeowner may live there.
I think that’s what s/he was trying to resolve with the doubling of tax on each additional property. It would become cost prohibitive very quickly to have multiple properties.
You would have to close the endless amounts of tax deductions on real estate to make it matter. If they can write off the loss as a business cost than the portfolio will just eat the tax and pass it on to the renters.
Yes. No single change will solve the problem. It would have to be comprehensive.
No good person can become the president or a rigged as fuck system
No good person can become president when 78 people vote for donald trump, and 40 million decided not to vote because the outcome did not matter.
No good person can ever get elected with the never ending promotion of Apathy as supreme leader of the resistence.
COMMUNIST REVOLUTION WEN?
my second order would be sending you to hell
Well, buddy…
My take?
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corporations aren’t allowed to own land or houses other than the office space and production facilities.
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people can only own the buildings they live in (with proof of living there at least X% of the year)
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The state takes over all houses and land that become unused by these laws
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The state rents out their property as ‘rent to own’, or as housing for the homeless
Ah the ‘state’ So donald trump should take over all housing…
No wait, the nation of people who elected donald trump, who’s imaginary new government(which will be so much more awesome) that state should do it!
You need your revolution first friends, im waiting. It’s your time to shine and you’re still lurking in the dark quoting theory.
I don’t live in the USA, so my trust in my government is at least a little bit higher.
I agree that the government under trump is… not suitable for such a socialist concept. One can only hope that a better one will rise from the ashes.
That being said, in general, control by the state is better for the people, even though it’s less effective. Taking ‘greed’ out of the equation for the housing market would do wonders.
This doesn’t solve the problem, which is the lack of new supply. The real solution is to deregulate zoning
I think zoning laws are necessary, but they’re way too strict in some/a lot of places. Like, I don’t want a loud, polluting factory next to my home, but why are there places where all you can build are single-family homes?
I disagree
Ok
That’s basically China with extra steps. How are you going to deal with your companies siphoning money out of your economy by buying foreign real estate?
Of course, it’s basically a communist idea from even before the Russian revolution.
To answer your question: since corporations aren’t allowed to own more than the buildings they work with, they could not buy foreign real estate - except for facilities or offices they really use.
I don’t think I know all the answers, it was just a interesting idea I read a while ago.
As far as I know it was never implemented, so weather it would work out or not is just speculation.
Corporations should be owned jointly in equal parts by the people who work there. Most live local and won’t want to do that.
Ah there’s that glorious protectionism that just shot the global economy in the foot! Constitutional law is gone and you’re day dreaming about reforming business law lmaooooo CLASSIC.
COMMUNIST REVOLUTION WEN?
This whole thread is about day dreaming about business law reform.
The whole world doesn’t stop to deal with each problem individually.
Bububutttbut who gets the Waterfront property?!?!?
I saw a new development going up on the river and thought that. Next thought was how delightful it will be to watch the river consume it in my life time. Nature hates vanity.
I say that because some people can’t imagine a system other than the current one and they said that as a kind of a gotcha.
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The floor moves to vote in the “Send gansey boy (a.k.a @dickthree) to hell” bill.
Respond with a yay or a nay.
