• khannie@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      1 个月前

      Just back from pints with a French lad. Just the two of us. Fucking love the French. Absolutely superb folks.

  • j_overgrens@feddit.nl
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    1 个月前

    I love France and all, but let’s not pretend they have good coffee culture. What passes for cappuccino there… The horrors I’ve seen.

    • supercriticalcheese@lemmy.world
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      1 个月前

      There is plenty of good coffee in Paris, but you need to go to typically smaller places where they only make that.

      Although I don’t drink milk much anymore I wouldn’t know if the cappuccino they make is good.

    • Valmond@lemmy.world
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      1 个月前

      It’s crazy, food is top notch, or what you pay for it, but coffee is always the french 3/4. So not very good.

      To be fair, they invented it and the Italians refined the espresso in 1961 so.

      • huppakee@lemm.ee
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        1 个月前

        Part of why it’s relatively bad is because they still make it the same way as they did back then

            • Valmond@lemmy.world
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              1 个月前

              Nah, the “hipster espresso” I’d call it. Usually tastes sour, "but that’s normal, not everyone can appreciate all the ‘flavours’ "

              • huppakee@lemm.ee
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                1 个月前

                Ah, I am guilty of liking that. But I do think it is a very different taste than regular dark roasted chocolaty coffee and they should suprise you with a funky light-roasted one as their standard bean. Those are more suited for specialty places where they have multiple grinders with multiple beans.

                • Valmond@lemmy.world
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                  1 个月前

                  Sure no problemo ! But why can’t they have an espresso that at least is somewhat like a real Italian one …

  • Teppichbrand@feddit.org
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    1 个月前

    I was on vacation in Flavigny, an incredibly beautiful small village wanted green beans without the butter, asked to simply use olive oil. The waiter was completely unsympathetic, simply asked me “why!?”. It took me a minute to convince him and I think I has to pay extra. :)

  • BlueMagma@sh.itjust.works
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    1 个月前

    I’m a french vegetarian living in France after living 6 years in Scotland, France is years behind on the diet inclusion issue, I was shocked how difficult it was to find a place to eat out in Paris, way too many cafe/restaurant/etc… gets defensive and refuse to serve you if you don’t have the “historical diet” (whatever that means) of france, and a lot of them don’t offer any “common alternative diet” options on the menu. And it’s not better outside of Paris.

    Then of course there are some great places that try to include everyone regardless of their diet, and they are increasing in numbers, but they are still the exception rather than the norm which is a shame.

    If you ever goes in Paris and looking for a fully vegetarian classy restaurant, I recommand “Polichinelle”, it’s a bit on the expensive side (~50 euro/person), but it’s high level cuisine, and for a special occasion it’s really worth it.

    • Doctor_Satan@lemm.ee
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      1 个月前

      Italy is just as bad with this kind of stuff, at least in my experience. I’m not even vegan or vegetarian, but I saw it happen a lot when I was there. They had the same kind of “historical diet” excuse, and I’m sitting here thinking “you fuckers didn’t even get tomatoes until the 16th century and now you’re acting like you invented them.”

      I hate food purists so much.

      • kablammy@sh.itjust.works
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        1 个月前

        Not many vegan options around, but one place in Sorrento made me the best vegan pizza I ever had when I asked (there was nothing vegan on the menu). No vegan cheese necessary, I think it was the crust and oil that made it. Got bored of the same tomato pasta item every night at the hotel though.

        • Nikelui@lemmy.world
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          1 个月前

          One of the most basic pizza, the marinara (tomato, oil, garlic, oregano) is technically vegan and any pizzeria worth its name will have it on the menu.

          • kablammy@sh.itjust.works
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            1 个月前

            Interesting, thanks. The Sorrento place was a cafe so they didn’t specialise in pizza, but it sure was good. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a marinara pizza marked vegan here in Oz. They probably all use bulk garlic sauce bottles with milk as ingredient.

            • jimmux@programming.dev
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              1 个月前

              I’m guessing you’re not in Melbourne then, but Red Sparrow is a fully vegan pizza restaurant with a few locations there. Very good, from what I’ve heard.

        • barsoap@lemm.ee
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          1 个月前

          You’ll be hard-pressed to find a German restaurant without a good choice of vegetarian options and at least some vegan ones. Germany is about 2% vegan, 10% ovo-lacto-vegetarian, and 55% flexitarian. That’s 67% of the population having an active look at those choices and you’d be very out of place with “if there’s no meat it’s not food” comments. You just insulted a huge number of quite cherished traditional dishes.

          Go on, go, go to Swabia and say that Käsespätzle are not food. I’m waiting. They’ll probably lock you into a madhouse.

      • BlueMagma@sh.itjust.works
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        1 个月前

        Never been to Italy, but I expected it would be even worse over there, Italians are often very invested in their opinion about food😄 some of my Italian friends can spend the whole meal debating about what they are eating

    • huppakee@lemm.ee
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      1 个月前

      They aren’t real snobs because they don’t look down on you, it is in most cases not about you personally. They just think their culture is superior which sounds very arrogant but below that is just plain old narcasism. Also historically they’re are from ‘the cultured part of europe’ and had to deal with the basic lowlife from England (have you eaten their food?), the Dutch (have you seen their clothes?) and the Germans (have you seen what their homes). It’s like how the Romans looked at the Germanic tribes they just like superficial stuff like pretty food on pretty tables wearing pretty dresses. There are plenty of places people will treat you much worse and above all this is just a stereotype which is true on the one hand but there are a lot of different people living in France just like in any other country. Also they have crêpes.

    • khannie@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      1 个月前

      It’s hard to describe but it’s not snobbery. The French are just themselves and I honestly love them for it. I’d heartily recommend a visit.

      I was there one time for work and decided I’d have a steak. Well I know they cook steak rarer than elsewhere so hoping for medium I ordered well done.

      Terrible mistake. I got what was basically a lump of raw meat that should have had “get fucked” stamped on it and I felt like I brought it on myself.

  • Monstrosity@lemm.eeEnglish
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    1 个月前

    I am not a vegan but oat milk lattes are the best lattes. They are creamy, rich with flavor that’s perfectly aligned w the coffee, lower in calories & more sustainable than classic dairy.

    Everyone should try them once at least.

    • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      1 个月前

      I agree. My preference goes oat then whole. I like the nuttiness that the oat milk adds. Local café was doing a monthly special, and they’re the best in the county so I tried it. It became my regular order.

    • bitwolf@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      1 个月前

      Yes! The moment I tried oatmilk I realized the nuttiness of the oat compliments the coffee bean aromas making it the superior milk for espresso drinks

    • aubertlone@lemmy.world
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      1 个月前

      I just made a smoothie with a frozen berry blend I got from Costco. Yep, I used oatmilk

      I don’t think this story/tweet is real. Or maybe just the misunderstanding that the restaurant didn’t have oat milk on hand.

      Totally agreed that oat milk superior flavor for many different applications. Milk from a tiyty just ain’t it for smoothies and stuff. I don’t make any smoothies with animal milk.

    • MisterFrog@lemmy.world
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      1 个月前

      This is the real answer. The french aren’t the pretentious ones in this story, they’re the plebs who don’t know any better haha

      (All in good fun)

      • Landless2029@lemmy.world
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        1 个月前

        I just bought one last week. Works well. Enjoyable but clearly different than whole milk.

        Sticking to it for health.

    • Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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      1 个月前

      The quality of oatmilk varies wildly based on the brand. I’m not a fan of Kirkland or Oatly but Califia and Silk are delicious.

        • Obi@sopuli.xyz
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          1 个月前

          I also like it but it didn’t feel any healthier than regular milk, I don’t have the macros in mind anymore but I think half full milk was better when I did look it up a while ago.

      • finitebanjo@lemmy.world
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        1 个月前

        Too many people tried soy milk or almond milk and it has unfortunately turned them away from dairy alternatives. Oatmilk leagues above all the rest.

        • huppakee@lemm.ee
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          1 个月前

          I also didn’t like soy milk at first now I have it with cereal almost daily, so I guess it’s also getting used to the flavour.

        • Nindelofocho@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          1 个月前

          Definitely. Though I do quite like chocolate almond milk! I find almond milk tk be a tolerable alternative some of the times but ugh soymilk

    • PNW clouds@infosec.pub
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      1 个月前

      I must keeping getting crap oatmilk. I always feel like it’s watery, and I shake it before pouring.

      I also drink whole milk, and think anything under 2% might as well be water. Unless it’s a chocolate milk full of thickeners instead of just milk and chocolate.

      I also get plain, because I don’t want added sugar.

      Suggestions?

      • aubertlone@lemmy.world
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        1 个月前

        Oaty brand oat milk.

        They have some kind of special ingredient that keeps everything properly emulsified.

        Warning it’s not cheap. I maybe buy a carton a week.

      • ScreamingFirehawk@feddit.uk
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        1 个月前

        Mighty is the best brand I’ve tried by a margin, they do a barista one but for an all round milk replacement the whole m.lk is great. They use a blend of oat and pea though I think

      • priapus@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        1 个月前

        A lot of brands make extra creamy versions that work better in coffee imo. Some sell a barista version which is also extra creamy and designed to steam well for lattes. Theyre more calorie dense though, so you kinda lose one of the main benefits. My favorite milk for lattes is ultra-filtered whole milk.

        • PNW clouds@infosec.pub
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          1 个月前

          I do.

          But I have vegan and lactose intolerant family and friends. So I try to keep shelf stable options on hand for when they visit.

          After they leave, I use what’s left so it’s not wasted, and would prefer an option that I like too.

      • beveradb@lemm.ee
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        1 个月前

        Oatly barista in the grey cartons is hands down the best IMO after trying loads of other brands. I get it at publix in the US or Tesco in the UK

        .

    • null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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      1 个月前

      Have you looked at the ingredients of oat milk?

      It’s water with vegetable oil and just enough oats for the taste.

        • null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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          1 个月前

          My point is, that oat milk lattes are not the “best” lattes, they’re oily not creamy, and that the flavor of oats does not align with coffee.

          I’m diabetic and have to avoid lactose too, amongst many other things.

          Oat milk might be a fine beverage, if you’re into oily watery horse food, but a substitute for proper milk it is not.

            • null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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              1 个月前

              Not really. It’s a mammalian excretion that has literally been refined over millions of years to deliver an infants nutritional requirements.

              • jerakor@startrek.website
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                1 个月前

                I drink milk, but milk isn’t superior to oat milk.

                mammal milk has specific ingredients that are meant to specifically feed infants of that animal. So its often high in fat and has specific things that are meant to be digested by that animal. Breast milk from a human has special ingredients that help digest the high lactose content and those ingredients are not in other milks.

                Now Oats have been designed over years to be digested by humans and other animals. They propagate by being consumed and then travel to other areas post consumption. The nutrition in oats and other vegetables is mostly there specifically to drive animals like us to eat them so that we propagate them.

                • null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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                  1 个月前

                  Of course proper milk is superior to oat milk.

                  If you were stuck on a desert island and could have an infinite supply of either it would be an absurdity to choose the oat milk over cows milk.

                  It’s true that cows milk is intended for calves and it’s probably not advisable for an adult human to consume exclusively cows milk, but it’s an absurdity to claim that cows milk is less nutritionally valuable than oat milk.

                  Oats have been domesticated by humans over a few short millennia because of their ease of cultivation and longevity in storage. Lets not conflate convenience with nutritional quality. Besides which oat milk doesn’t contain much in the way of oats anyway.

          • RobotsLeftHand@lemmy.world
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            1 个月前

            You’re trying really hard to be objectively correct about this silliness. No wonder there’s a stigma about coffee snobs.

            • null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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              1 个月前

              I’m not trying to be objectively correct at all.

              It’s just really easy to make fun of people who drink poncy “milk” because everyone secretly wants it to be some magical elixir delicately squeezed from the nipples of plump little oats tended by fat little bumble bees in Tasmania.

            • null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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              1 个月前

              One of us sure is ignorant.

              We don’t have feedlot dairy’s here.

              You can literally go for a drive and watch dairy cows eat green grass.

              They wrap hay bales in this plastic stuff that makes the hay start to ferment which apparently the cows fucking love to eat.

      • rustydrd@sh.itjust.works
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        1 个月前

        The one I drink has 11%, which seems plenty. At some point it’d become thin porridge, and I don’t want to drink that.

  • kingthrillgore@lemmy.ml
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    1 个月前

    This never happened. They would have given him a cup of black coffee and said " bro you’re in France now"

  • AnonomousWolf@lemm.eeBannedEnglish
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    1 个月前

    Lots of comments complaining about restaurants not being inclusive, but it’s unrealistic to expect others to bend to your needs.

    I can’t go to a vegan joint and get upset when they don’t want to serve me a steak.

    Nor can I het upset when a restaurant isn’t Halal.

    If you want vegan, go to a place that sells vegan food.

  • Wren@lemmy.world
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    1 个月前

    Every morning: A double-shot espresso with a small’ish blob of sweetened condensed milk, a few drops of vanilla extract and a teaspoon of brown sugar.

    Heaven.