- cross-posted to:
- videos@lemmy.ml
- cross-posted to:
- videos@lemmy.ml
You must log in or register to comment.
I remember how my Jewish liberal family and friends talked about Israel as a secular society and that this is what separated us from the Arab neighbors. Certainly takes this notion, digs a deep grave, and buries it. Israel is the Nazi equivalent of the 1930s/40s and they’re not even hiding it anymore.
Lebanon is a secular country home to 18 different religious sects. The people/society aren’t secular of course, but the government is made up of people from various religions.
Egypt is a secular military dictatorship where 10% of the people (about 10 million) are Christians.
I swear the only 3 countries I’ve heard scream about being secular are France, Israel, and India, all of which are exactly the opposite because the government is exclusively following a religious doctrine and cracking down on minorities as well as anyone not a part of that national religion.
Citation needed wrt France
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_scarf_controversy_in_France https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250219-france-s-senate-backs-move-to-ban-headscarf-in-sport
It’s OK to wear a cross in, It’s OK to make the sign of the cross, because that’s the majority religion. Headscarves, however, are considered a “outfit ostensibly showing a […] religious affiliation” and that should, according to some french lawmakers, be banned.
Non-Jews are denied citizenship and thus disenfranchised. Textbook apartheid. Israel can be a Jewish state or a democracy, it cannot be both
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel?wprov=sfla1
I have to fact check this, it’s a clear lie.
In the wake of the 1948 Palestine war, the Israeli government conferred Israeli citizenship upon all Palestinians who had remained or were not expelled. However, they were subject to discrimination by being placed under martial law until 1966, while other Israeli citizens were not. In the early 1980s, Israel granted citizenship eligibility to the Palestinians in East Jerusalem and the Syrian citizens of the Golan Heights by annexing both areas, though they remain internationally recognized as part of the Israeli-occupied territories, which came into being after the Six-Day War of 1967. Acquisition of Israeli citizenship in East Jerusalem has been scarce, as only 5% of Palestinians in East Jerusalem were Israeli citizens in 2022, largely due to Palestinian society’s disapproval of naturalization as complicity with the occupation. After the Second Intifada, the opposition loosened, but Israel made the process more difficult, approving only 34% of new Palestinian applications.[citation needed]
According to the Israel Central Bureau of Statistics, the Israeli Arab population stood at 2.1 million people in 2023, accounting for 21% of Israel’s total population. The majority of these Arab citizens identify themselves as Arab or Palestinian by nationality and as Israeli by citizenship. They mostly live in Arab-majority towns and cities, some of which are among the poorest in the country, and generally attend schools that are separated to some degree from those attended by Jewish Israelis. Arab political parties traditionally did not join governing coalitions until 2021, when the United Arab List became the first to do so. The Druze and the Bedouin in the Negev and the Galilee have historically expressed the strongest non-Jewish affinity to Israel and are more likely to identify as Israelis than other Arab citizens.
There are a lot of parallels to apartheid, but it’s somewhere between.
I think a closer parallel could be Ireland under Cromwell, which is still not a good model.
Unfortunately no longer true since the 2018 basic law where Israel defined themselves as for the Jewish people only, revoking a core part of the 1992 Basic Law: Human Dignity and Liberty. Which led to large public protests within Israel at the time. The current admin are off the rails atm.
After it was passed, several groups in the Jewish diaspora expressed concern that it was actively violating Israel’s self-defined legal status as a “Jewish and democratic state” in exchange for adopting an exclusively Jewish identity.
Not untrue. If they think they’re all Joshua in the promised land, then they have a point.
Awful.
If the US were not utterly captured by Israeli influence, there might be a multinational UN peacekeeping mission parking aircraft carriers in the Mediterranean bombing the IDF into a pulp like the backwards zealots they are. Just like they did for Milosevic’s ambitions.
basically us TAx money was funneling to AIPAC which was funneled back into the politicians pockets. basically the same way GOP uses the vouchers for private christian schools in thier states.
Like they would stop if the court decided they don’t have the right
i want to live in a world where noone kills people because of fairy tale books from thousands of years ago.
Well the old testament specifically calls for it.
In my mind though, basing your entire behaviour off a single book of questionable veracity is pretty stupid.
Why do these fuckwits come to power again and again? Seriously, humanity can’t catch a break.
“I have the right to kill people and take their stuff, but they’re not allowed to fight back.”
The idiocy is astounding even to me.
The courts and government of Israel are heavily influenced by the Pentagon
They’ve always been in power in Israel; it’s just more obvious now. The only Israeli leader who didn’t believe Israel has the right to unilaterally murder Palestinians and steal their land is Rabin and they fucking killed him for it.
This
The Israeli supreme court just made Hitler retroactively correct and justified. Israeli Nazis are the worst.
No. Because Israel isn’t Jews.
Saying Jews are committing genocide in the name of Judaism is completely correct. But you’re also right that Israel doesn’t speak for all Jews.
And thus the cycle starts to repeat. It seems an eternal problem that people can’t separate individuals and their leaders, which always ends up one side violently killing the other for the actions of the few.
Zionists do not represent all Jews, this needs repeating.
I think that Israelis are fine with the genocide. so it’s fine to dislike Israeli citizens. Not all Jews are Israeli though.
So it’s just an Israel problem.
They vote for the shit. they are supporting the genocide.
I can’t help but notice that your comment is highly upvoted, with one down vote at the time of writing. I also notice that whenever someone comments something like “Americans deserve Trump and everything that is happening to them” their comment is usually around 50 % downvoted.
Regardless of your opinion on whether a people can collectively be held responsible for the actions of the majority, it looks like a lot of Americans on this website need to reevaluate their own cognitive dissonance.
(Also what the fuck is up with the comment at the top of the chain. That is literally hate speech and could get you fined in my country).
The overwhelming majority of Israelis do support the genocide. Anywhere from 85-95% according to the polls.
Are you even listening to yourself?! A genocide is never “correct and justified”, which is the whole point of this post. Your comment makes me sick.
I think you need a lesson on recognizing cynical sarcasm.
There’s cynical sarcasm and there’s “I guess Hitler was right then ¯_(ツ)_/¯”. I’d say the latter is just fucked up.
Maybe you’re misunderstanding DarkCloud’s comment? DarkCloud is not saying Hitler was right. DarkCloud is saying the Israeli supreme court just ruled that Hitler was right, and saying that is completely fucked up. Which I think you agree with.
But they didn’t say that the court ruled that Hitler was right, they said that the court made Hitler right. There’s a huge difference.
Sigh. This was already explained by someone else. It’s called cynical sarcasm, (or bitter sarcasm, rhetorical provocation, hyperbole, provocative irony, etc.) It’s meant to express outrage by drawing an extreme comparison, not agreement with it. The “just made” phrasing is part of that - they don’t actually think history was undone and revised, and its a bit disingenuous or outright obtuse to interpret it that way.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
You dropped this: \
Can you link to an actual news article or documented trial instead of a random talking head on YouTube?
You‘re welcome: https://greatreporter.com/2025/04/14/israels-biblical-justification-for-gaza-siege-draws-accusations-of-religious-extremism/ I don‘t care about their excuse, though.
Then according to the Quran, Islam has the right to kill all infidels. It’s almost like this would lead to perpetual war between two ideologies. Hey guys I can predict the future.
Ah hiya da classique tactics ba zyonyst regimoure
And finally someone said the quiet part out loud
So, here we are. Hitler was right, the Bible said so. Again another thing I did NOT gave in my bingo cars for 2025 and a phrase I seriously never ever expected to say in my life just as I never expected a Jew would applaud deportations of undesirables to concentration camps, but here we are.
Just what the fuck Is happening?
Yep, that’s what happens when you let religious people get close to Law unchecked.
That’s why the USA
hashad the Separation Clause.
I just read a chapter called “Zionism” in a book called “Never Again” by Rabbi Meir Kahane (published 2009), because the book was presented to me by the person who owns the copy as being, like, somehow especially important, something about the author being really good or something. I don’t remember exactly. I figured reading this chapter would tell me whether the book is for me (born Buddhist/Jewish in a primarily Jewish/Espicopalian Christian family; celebrated Christmas and Passover but never had a mitzvah, 60% Ashkenazi, yadda yadda), given my lack of education/study of Jewish history. It starts out seemingly taking a neutral/mildly derogatory stance towards Zionism… But by the end of the chapter it’s clear he thinks of modern Palestinians as being still responsible as “Arabs” in general for the past persecution of Jewish people in the region. He pretty much says “these dirty Arabs can’t possibly be genocided hard enough” (paraphrased), and that’s when I put the book down.
I’m not sorry to say: I firmly believe that past atrocities committed against one population by another absolutely do not, in any way, provide a basis for or permission to perform any atrocities in recompense, especially not intergenerationally. Yeah, easy for me to say, being Caucasian, but also, I’m still Jewish, and queer, and disabled, so I don’t know what it’s like to live with daily racism, but I’m definitely not even actually that close to the top of the social hierarchy
Horrifying headline, but please, just, anyone but Bad Empanada.
I did notice you put an article as well so I’ll look into that.
