It’s the concept of a foreign party stealing/defacing a cultural treasure and a national icon. To some it probably feels offensive in a personal way with that classic flavor imperialist cultural appropriation. Which I can see the argument for, even if I do think it’s overly focused on a single episode instead of the greater AI issues at hand
I’ve put a fair bit of effort into trying to understand the Japanese perspective, because as a northerner it frankly displays an odd contrast of values to me, being extremely sexually liberal, while also holding firm to tradition and social responsibility. It appears to me as though they manage this by maintaining quite clear social boundaries regarding empathy for each other’s individual perspective, and so they don’t appreciate when things which hold a strong sentimental place in many people’s hearts, such as the master of anime’s unique style, or a Shinto shrine in a popular video game, are portrayed in an uncharitable light within the public sphere.
Their product still produces output based on Studio Ghibli’s data, and just like all of us, they did not consent to their data being used to train models that would recompose their work for profit.
What if a corporation stole your voice and appearance, and made your likeness a movie star, without your consent or compensation?
If you knew how LLMs work then you’d know that no data of Studio Ghibli’s pictures is stored in it. It’s the equivalent of books citing other books without plagiarising. This is my personal opinion on this. I think the laws are unclear about this too because this is a very novel situation. I expect a lot of change and new legislation in the near future.
I’ve always been of the opinion that if you post something publicly, expect it to be used publicly.
I will absolutely declare though that using privately posted stuff or piracy for profit is absolutely abhorrent. I’ve actually never been a fan of those IPTV providers that profited off of pirated streams either or similar schemes for the same reasons
And notably, Japan does not have broad fair use copyright exceptions like the US. There are a very specific set of circumstances where it applies, and Generative AI for sure is not one of those.
The laws that apply to a person’s likeness in your example don’t apply to an art style.
Currently, it isn’t clear if consent is required for style. It’s highly transformative but we will only know after the lawsuits are finished and any new law is put in place. Depends on location as well I’m guessing.
People are fucking idiots. If you hand make/photoshop/non LLM based automated software to create these kinds of images, it’s been fine, but since it’s “AI” it’s now horrifying and an affront to art and human souls /s
You’re getting downvoted, but you’re right. There’s nothing stopping anybody from replicating this art style, why do the tools involved make a difference now?
The tools matter because of the sheer volume of content which literally any meth head can produce, which has already severely tainted the whole online ecosystem, and will only get worse.
OpenAI recently updated ChatGPT to be able to reproduce images in a specific style, and a lot of people posted Ghibli-style versions of things. So all of a sudden, it’s a big deal.
Why this controversy now? Tools like StyleGAN could do this for years already.
It’s the concept of a foreign party stealing/defacing a cultural treasure and a national icon. To some it probably feels offensive in a personal way with that classic flavor imperialist cultural appropriation. Which I can see the argument for, even if I do think it’s overly focused on a single episode instead of the greater AI issues at hand
I’ve put a fair bit of effort into trying to understand the Japanese perspective, because as a northerner it frankly displays an odd contrast of values to me, being extremely sexually liberal, while also holding firm to tradition and social responsibility. It appears to me as though they manage this by maintaining quite clear social boundaries regarding empathy for each other’s individual perspective, and so they don’t appreciate when things which hold a strong sentimental place in many people’s hearts, such as the master of anime’s unique style, or a Shinto shrine in a popular video game, are portrayed in an uncharitable light within the public sphere.
IMO it’s because a large corporation is making money out of it
Who is making money? OpenAI loses money with every request.
Their product still produces output based on Studio Ghibli’s data, and just like all of us, they did not consent to their data being used to train models that would recompose their work for profit.
What if a corporation stole your voice and appearance, and made your likeness a movie star, without your consent or compensation?
If you knew how LLMs work then you’d know that no data of Studio Ghibli’s pictures is stored in it. It’s the equivalent of books citing other books without plagiarising. This is my personal opinion on this. I think the laws are unclear about this too because this is a very novel situation. I expect a lot of change and new legislation in the near future.
I’ve always been of the opinion that if you post something publicly, expect it to be used publicly.
I will absolutely declare though that using privately posted stuff or piracy for profit is absolutely abhorrent. I’ve actually never been a fan of those IPTV providers that profited off of pirated streams either or similar schemes for the same reasons
And notably, Japan does not have broad fair use copyright exceptions like the US. There are a very specific set of circumstances where it applies, and Generative AI for sure is not one of those.
The laws that apply to a person’s likeness in your example don’t apply to an art style.
Currently, it isn’t clear if consent is required for style. It’s highly transformative but we will only know after the lawsuits are finished and any new law is put in place. Depends on location as well I’m guessing.
People are fucking idiots. If you hand make/photoshop/non LLM based automated software to create these kinds of images, it’s been fine, but since it’s “AI” it’s now horrifying and an affront to art and human souls /s
You’re getting downvoted, but you’re right. There’s nothing stopping anybody from replicating this art style, why do the tools involved make a difference now?
The tools matter because of the sheer volume of content which literally any meth head can produce, which has already severely tainted the whole online ecosystem, and will only get worse.
wow amazing. You wanna go bust up some mimeographs tomorrow night?
I assume you can do it by hand, right now, in a few seconds then?
So? Just because you can make something fast with tools doesn’t make the art of making it without these tools less impressive or appealing.
It’s like saying photography killed painting. It did in some ways. But in many other ways it didn’t.
So the problem is that anyone can do it?
OpenAI recently updated ChatGPT to be able to reproduce images in a specific style, and a lot of people posted Ghibli-style versions of things. So all of a sudden, it’s a big deal.
Normies are only just now learning about it.
Because people are attacking a beloved Japanese cultural icon.