Summary

A genuine backlash to Trump’s ethno-nationalist authoritarianism may be starting to take shape on its own terms.

The Washington Post-ABC News poll shows “Trump slipping underwater on immigration, which has been his best issue,” with 56% of independents disapproving of his handling.

Only 21% of independents want wrongfully deported Kilmar Abrego Garcia to remain imprisoned. These policies “raise basic issues of fundamental fairness, due process, and the rule of law.”

Trump’s lawlessness across the board is clearly a problem, reinforcing the view he’s engaged in rampant extralegal abuses of power.

      • gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world
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        1 month ago

        Almost as stupid as Gavin Newsom saying deportations were a distraction from tariffs and Dems shouldn’t talk about them because Republicans were strong on that issue

                • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                  1 month ago

                  I think that’s extremely popular actually,

                  You didn’t spend the past year being called a trumper for saying that maybe we shouldn’t be playing arms broker for a genocide.

            • Franklin@lemmy.ca
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              1 month ago

              single issue voting (or nonvoting) never ends well no matter how good the intentions.

              especially when that single issue isn’t even fixed by the other side.

              • wellheh@lemmy.sdf.org
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                1 month ago

                They’re incredibly naive people who think they have some defensible moral high ground because they didn’t vote, but the truth is they’ve accomplished nothing and surrendered their vote to fascists. If they really cared they’d be out there calling their congressman and lobbying for a change in policy. Yes, this is hard, but no one said change would be easy. The only reason Biden won the previous election is because people went out and voted. The reason Trump won is because they didn’t vote. And I bet these people will not take responsibility for his transgressions even though they are partly responsible. I cannot help but feel we deserve this pain because our population would rather take the hypothetical moral high ground over voting for the better candidate.

        • supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz
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          1 month ago

          …but surely centrist hacks with zero integrity who cede the framing of every argument to fascists are the future of the party!!

          • aesthelete@lemmy.world
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            1 month ago

            Definitely make every political move you do based upon focus groups and polling, because people definitely love sock-in-the-wind, flip-flopping political creeps with no actual values!

        • barneypiccolo@lemm.eeEnglish
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          1 month ago

          Or that Ball Park Hot Dog Oligarch DINO Elissa Slotkin, who gave the Democratic response to HitlerPig’s SOTU address, and started by trying to sell the concept that there were millions of people who voted a straight Democratic ticket, except for HitlerPig at the top.

          Sure, there were probably a few, but they are as rare as white squirrels. She was the water carrier for the weak Democratic excuse that HitlerPig win “fair & square,” so they could act smug about their “peaceful transfer of power” to literal Nazis. Something to really be proud of, assholes.

          Anyhoo, she came out this week and said that they should stop attacking the “Oligarchy,” basically saying that people are too stupid to understand what the word oligarchy means. Of course she thinks that, she’s a Sociopathic Oligarch herself, a DINO at best, and a MAGA Oligarch Mole at worst. Remember that she was previously a CIA analyst, so she comes from a world where lies and duplicity are a valued skill.

          She’s a snake, and I hope she gets successfully primaried for reelection.

  • 0000011110110111i@lemm.ee
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    1 month ago

    Only 21% of independents want wrongfully deported Kilmar Abrego Garcia to remain imprisoned.

    Translation: 21% of independents are a**holes.

  • melsaskca@lemmy.ca
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    1 month ago

    With all the constitution and laws I find it scary that america cannot (or does not want to) stop the monster they hired for their president.

    • superkret@feddit.org
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      1 month ago

      The Constitution and laws are just letters written on paper. They don’t actually do anything unless enough people take real risks and sacrifices to act on them.

  • dhork@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    1 month ago

    It makes sense, he doesn’t need independents anymore. In fact, if he holds on to power past 2028, he won’t need any votes at all to do it.

      • dhork@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        1 month ago

        … I said “if”. And you don’t need me to normalize the outrageous, those 70+ million people who voted for the guy already did.

      • mutual_ayed@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        1 month ago

        He’s selling Trump 2028 merch and his DOJ just said ICE can search any home they want, the FBI is arresting Judges that obey due process. The present situation is outrageous

          • mutual_ayed@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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            1 month ago

            In fact, if he holds on to power past 2028, he won’t need any votes at all

            I see a call to action in the statement.

            We won’t allow this to happen. You’re normalizing the outrageous.

            To me that sounds like we won’t let it happen, but there’s no further explanation of how. So I’ll ask you directly, do you have some suggestions on how we’ll not let that happen?

      • Guy Ingonito@reddthat.com
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        1 month ago

        How do you plan to stop it, bucko. Same way you stopped him from destroying the department of education and sending a couple million student loans to collections?

        • FenderStratocaster@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          1 month ago

          I’m a liberal who lives in Michigan and doesn’t want Trump as president. What the fuck are you talking about? My point is that people are resigning to the fact that he’s going to do it and that’s the wrong rhetoric. It’s constitutionally illegal and unacceptable and that’s where you should stand.

          • Steve@startrek.website
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            1 month ago

            “We” are allowing this to happen, right now.

            Dont try to minimize the issue. There is a real legitimate threat here, the checks and balances are failing right now.

      • Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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        1 month ago

        If you don’t acknowledge the possibility - no, the transparent and obvious plan - to illegally hold onto power at all costs, up to and including another attempted coup… if you won’t even acknowledge the possibility, how exactly do you expect to stop it?

  • d00phy@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    1 month ago

    “Independent” votors piss me off so much. In the US, they’re basically moderate conservatives. In the past, they would vote conservative because “they’re better on the economy.” Then they would vote progressive when the recession/depression was imminent/in full swing. Things got better, everything calmed down, so they voted C because they’re “better for immigration reform.” Nothing would happen on immigration, so they’d vote P when the recession/depression was imminent/in full swing. Things got better, everything calmed down, so they voted C because they’re “better for the economy.” Then they would vote progressive when the recession/depression was imminent/in full swing. Things got better, everything calmed down, so they voted C because they’re “better for immigration reform.” Then the guy they knew in their heart would tank US reputation abroad (AGAIN) and probably the economy too starts actually doing that on day 1… Short memory, wishy-washy flakes who don’t pay attention basically controlling the course of the country.

  • randon31415@lemmy.world
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    1 month ago

    Why? Because now is the time to do things that people won’t remeber in 19 months when the next poll that matters takes place.

  • KbSez@piefed.socialEnglish
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    1 month ago

    What a mamby pamby headline – “trump is killing the economy, turning the country into a police state regime and independents kinda are noticing”

    WTF ?? 40+ % agree with him? How can this country be like that?

    ANYONE who supported him or voted for him or helped him get elected is a racist, a bigot and/or a misogynist— I don’t go for this “oh, a lot of people didn’t know what he would do” bullsh!t.

    This is why I tell people MAKE A LIST of everyone you know or know of that helped this madman, soon enough a lot of them are going to try and pretend they didn’t and we can’t let them.

    I want to see the Latino community take revenge of these morons who helped him get elected. I want the families of these people snatched off the streets confronting them. I want to see these morons who helped him get elected because Joe Biden wasn’t reacting the way they wanted on Gaza to go to Gaza and explain to them that they had to show Biden who was boss and help a man who wants to see them all dead become President.

    • dhork@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      1 month ago

      WTF ?? 40+ % agree with him? How can this country be like that?

      These 40% of people simply don’t see any criticism of their Dear Leader, they self-select their media sources and those sources tell an entirely different story. I call it the Conservative Cinematic Universe…

      • NABDad@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        1 month ago

        That’s completely ridiculous! Not all 40+% are people that worship Trump! A significant portion couldn’t care if Trump lives or dies, but they like to see people hurt and/or they think they can profit from it.

        If all we had to worry about were the cultists, Trump would be rotting in prison now.

        • dhork@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          1 month ago

          They may not all consider themselves to be part of the Trump cult, but they all believe that the Conservative Cinematic Universe is reality, and right now, it is all slobbering Trump’s toadstool. So is there any real difference between a true Cultist, and someone who simply believes all the same lies?