The one-liner:
dd if=/dev/zero bs=1G count=10 | gzip -c > 10GB.gz
This is brilliant.
Have you ever heard of sparse files, and how Linux and Windows deal with zips of it? You’ll love this.
I want to know he they built that visualization
I’ve been thinking about making an nginx plugin that randomizes words on a page to poison AI scrapers.
There are “AI mazes” that do that.
I remember reading and article about this but haven’t found it yet
The one below, named Anubis. Is the one I heard about. Come back to the thread and check the link.
That is a very interesting git repo. Is this just a web view into the actual git folder?
If you have the time, I think it’s a great idea.
This is why I use things like Docusaurus to generate static sites. Vulnerability injections are pretty hard when there’s no code to inject into.
Probably only works for dumb bots and I’m guessing the big ones are resilient to this sort of thing.
Judging from recent stories the big threat is bots scraping for AIs and I wonder if there is a way to poison content so any AI ingesting it becomes dumber. e.g. text which is nonsensical or filled with counter information, trap phrases that reveal any AIs that ingested it, garbage pictures that purport to show something they don’t etc.
I don’t know as to poisoning AI, but one thing that I used to do was to redirect any suspicious bots or ones that were hitting their server too much to a simple html page with no JS or CSS or forward links. Then they used to go away.
When it comes to attacks on the Internet, doing simple things to get rid of the stupid bots means kicking 90% of attacks out. No, it won’t work against a determined foe, but it does something useful.
Same goes for setting SSH to a random port. Logs are so much cleaner after doing that.
Setting a random SSH port and limiting it to 3/min saw failed login attempts fall by 99% and jailed IPs fall to 0.
I’ve found great success using a hardened ssh config with a limited set of supported
Cyphers/MACs/KexAlgorithms. Nothing ever gets far enough to even triggerfail2ban. Then of course it’s key only login from there.
There have been some attempts in that regard, I don’t remember the names of the projects, but there were one or two that’d basically generate a crapton of nonsense to do just that. No idea how well that works.
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I’d be amazed if this works, since these sorts of tricks have been around since dinosaurs ruled the Earth, and most bots will use pretty modern zip libraries which will just return “nope” or throw an exception, which will be treated exactly the same way any corrupt file is - for example a site saying it’s serving a zip file but the contents are a generic 404 html file, which is not uncommon.
Also, be careful because you could destroy your own device? What the hell? No. Unless you’re using dd backwards and as root, you can’t do anything bad, and even then it’s the drive contents you overwrite, not the device you “destroy”.
On the other hand, there are lots of bots scraping Wikipedia even though it’s easy to download the entire website as a single archive.
So they’re not really that smart…
Yeah, this article came across as if written by a complete beginner. They mention having their WordPress hacked, but failed to admit it was because they didn’t upgrade the install.
Sadly about the only thing that reliably helps against malicious crawlers is Anubis
I don’t really like this approach, not just because I was flagged as a bot, but because I don’t really like captchas. I swear I’m not a bot guys!
Neat
That URL is telling me “Invalid response”. Am I a bot?
Now you know why your mom spent so much time with the Amiga
https://anubis.techaro.lol/docs/user/known-broken-extensions
If you have JShelter installed, it breaks the proof of work from anubis
You’re using a VPN, right?
Nope. Just using Vivaldi on my Android device.
Im not and it gave an invalid response. I am just chilling on my home wifi.
I’m sorry you had to find out this way.
This reminds me of shitty FTP sites with ratios when I was on dial-up. I used to push them files full of null characters with filenames that looked like actual content. The modem would compress the upload as it transmitted it which allowed me to upload the junk files at several times the rate of a normal file.
that is pretty darn clever
I use a torrent client that will lie on the upload (x10 or x11, or a myriad of other options) so as to satisfy the upload ratio requirement of many members only torrent communities
At least in germany having one of these on your system is illegal
Out of curiosity, what is illegal about it, exactly?
I mean i am not a lawyer.
In germany we have § 303 b StGB. In short it says if you hinder someone elses dataprocessing through physical means or malicous data you can go to jail for up to 3 years . If it is a major process for someone you can get up to 5 and in major cases up to 10 years.
So if you have a zipbomb on your system and a crawler reads and unpacks it you did two crimes. 1. You hindered that crawlers dataprocessing 2. Some isp nodes look into it and can crash too. If the isp is pissed of enough you can go to jail for 5 years. This applies even if you didnt crash them die to them having protection agsinst it, because trying it is also against the law.
Having a zipbomb is part of a gray area. Because trying to disrupt dataprocessing is illegal, having a zipbomb can be considered trying, however i am not aware of any judgement in this regard
Edit: btw if you password protect your zipbomb, everything is fine
TL;DR: It’s illegal to have publically available or share.
Making it illegal to create one for research purposes on your own hardware is not illegal as far as I know. And if it is, I wouldn’t mind seeing someone challenge that with the EU.
I wonder if having a robots.txt file that said to ignore the file/path would help.
I’m assuming a bad bot would ignore the robots.txt file. So you could argue that you put up a clear sign and they chose to ignore it.
Good question i dont know tbh. Would be an interesting question for a lawyer influencer
Severely disrupting other people’s data processing of significant import to them. By submitting malicious data requires intent to cause harm, physical destruction, deletion, etc, doesn’t. This is about crashing people’s payroll systems, ddosing, etc. Not burning some cpu cycles and having a crawler subprocess crash with OOM.
Why the hell would an ISP have a look at this. And even if, they’re professional enough to detect zip bombs. Which btw is why this whole thing is pointless anyway: If you class requests as malicious, just don’t serve them. If that’s not enough it’s much more sensible to go the anubis route and demand proof of work as that catches crawlers which come from a gazillion IPs with different user agents etc.
Telecom for example does Deep PackageInspection. That is rather well kown. Derec made a statement years ago that it is normal for other european isps too. Here is a secondary source for it, i cant find the primary source anymore https://netzpolitik.org/2012/berec-studie-dpi-bei-vielen-providern-bereits-im-einsatz/
If you are succesful in disrupting some dataprocessing doesnt matter, trying to do it is illigal. If you put it there to disrupt crawlers you are trying to disrupt an entities dataprocessing.
If your isp does dpi an archive bomb is able to crash their server. Even if they have measures againt it, it is still illigal because trying it is illigal.
The intent is to get rid of crawlers which are disrupting the operation of your servers. That’s not intent of doing harm to the crawler’s operator, or their business. It’s analogous to telling a hawker to fuck off: Polite, no, but them being able to profit off you is not your responsibly, you do not have to accede to that. And intent to harm the ISP is even less reasonable to assume.
cant find the primary source anymore https://netzpolitik.org/2012/berec-studie-dpi-bei-vielen-providern-bereits-im-einsatz/
That’s out of date anyway. How about this one. DPI is limited to OSI level 5 and only allowed to resolve network issues – and a crawler crashing is not a network issue.
That’s out of date anyway. How about this one.
Good to know
A crawler is a data processing machine, nothing more. therefor you are disrupting dataprocessing through data. If you think its not thats ok too. I would still advise to contact your lawyer in germany if you are thinking about hosting a zipbomb
A crawler is a data processing machine, nothing more. therefor you are disrupting dataprocessing through data. If you think its not thats ok too.
Nah it’s definitely disrupting data processing, even though at a very low-key level – you’re not causing any data to become invalid or such. It’s the intent to harm the operator that’s the linchpin: “Jemandem einen Nachteil zufügen”. “Jemand” needs to be a person, natural or legal. And by stopping a crawler you don’t want to inflict a disadvantage on the operator you want to, at most, stop them from gaining an advantage. “Inflict disadvantage” and “prevent advantage” are two different things.
I would still advise to contact your lawyer in germany if you are thinking about hosting a zipbomb
Good idea, but as already said before: First, you should contact a sysadmin. Who will tell you it’s a stupid idea.
Illegal to publically serve or distribute.
Maybe bots shouldn’t be trying to install malicious code? Sucks to suck.
Still illegal. Not immoral, but a lot of our laws aren’t built on morality.
First off, be very careful with
bs=1Gas it may overload the RAM. You will want to setcountaccordinglyYup, use something sensible like 10M or so.
I would normally go much lower,
bs=4K count=262144which creates 1G with 4K block size
How I read that code:
“If the dev folder’s bullshit is equal to 1 gram…”
When I was serving high volume sites (that were targeted by scrapers) I had a collection of files in CDN that contained nothing but the word “no” over and over. Scrapers who barely hit our detection thresholds saw all their requests go to the 50M version. Super aggressive scrapers got the 10G version. And the scripts that just wouldn’t stop got the 50G version.
It didn’t move the needle on budget, but hopefully it cost them.
How do you tell scrapers from regular traffic?
Most often because they don’t download any of the css of external js files from the pages they scrape. But there are a lot of other patterns you can detect once you have their traffic logs loaded in a time series database. I used an ELK stack back in the day.
That sounds like a lot of effort. Are there any tools that get like 80% of the way there? Like something I could plug into Caddy, nginx, or haproxy?
My experience is with systems that handle nearly 1000 pageviews per second. We did use a spread of haproxy servers to handle routing and SNI, but they were being fed offender lists by external analysis tools (built in-house).
Dang, I was hoping for a FOSS project that would do most of the heavy lifting for me. Maybe such a thing exists, idk, but it would be pretty cool to have a pluggable system that analyzes activity and tags connections w/ some kind of identifier so I could configure a web server to either send it nonsense (i.e. poison AI scrapers), zip bombs (i.e. bots that aren’t respectful of resources), or redirect to a honey pot (i.e. malicious actors).
A quick search didn’t yield anything immediately, but I wasn’t that thorough. I’d be interested if anyone knows of such a project that’s pretty easy to play with.
Not exactly what you asked, but do you know about ufw-blocklist?
I’ve been using this on my multiple VPSes for some time now and the number of fail2ban failed/banned has gone down like crazy. Previously, I had 20k failed attempts after a few months and 30-50 currently-banned IPs at all times; now it’s less than 1k failed after a year and maybe 3-ish banned at any time.
There was also that paid service where users share their spammy IP address attempts with a centralized network, which does some dynamic intelligence monitoring. I forgot the name and search these days isn’t great. Something to do with “Sense”? It was paid, but well recommended as far as I remember.
Edit: seems like the keyword is " threat intelligence platform"
Anyone who writes a spider that’s going to inspect all the content out there is already going to have to have dealt with this, along with about a bazillion other kinds of oddball or bad data.
That’s the usual case with arms races: Unless you are yourself a major power, odds are you’ll never be able to fully stand up to one (at least not on your own, but let’s not stretch the metaphor too far). Often, the best you can do is to deterr other, minor powers and hope major ones never have a serious intent to bring you down.
In this specific case, the number of potential minor “attackers” and the hurdle for “attack” mKe it attractive to try to overwhelm the amateurs at least. You’ll never get the pros, you just hope they don’t bother you too much.
Competent ones, yes. Most developers aren’t competent, scraper writers even less so.
That’s true. Scrapping is a gold mine for the people that don’t know. I worked for a place which crawls the internet and beyond (fetches some internal dumps we pay for). There is no chance a zip bomb would crash the workers as there are strict timeouts and smell tests (even if a does it will crash an ECS task at worst and we will be alerted to fix that within a short time). We were as honest as it gets though, following GDPR, honoring the robots file, no spiders or scanners allowed, only home page to extract some insights.
I am aware of some big name EU non-software companies very interested in keeping an eye on some key things that are only possible with scraping.
And if you want some customisation, e.g. some repeating string over and over, you can use something like this:
yes "b0M" | tr -d '\n' | head -c 10G | gzip -c > 10GB.gzyesrepeats the given string (followed by a line feed) indefinitely - originally meant to type “yes” + ENTER into prompts.trthen removes the line breaks again andheadmakes sure to only take 10GB and not have it run indefinitely.If you want to be really fancy, you can even add some HTML header and footer to some files like
headerandfooterand then run it like this:yes "b0M" | tr -d '\n' | head -c 10G | cat header - footer | gzip -c > 10GB.gz
