also downvoted for preferring democracy lol
Why can’t we just agree that both the US and DPRK are undemocratic?
🤦
I’m tired of seeing these .ml arseholes, how can I block the whole instance??
In your account settings I think. You can do so in your web client or app you use.
I haven’t blocked ml of hexbear cause I find some of their content interesting. I always like to consider all sides.
WTF is alphabetization?
“Literacy” but bastardized back to English from the french word I think (“alphabétisation”)
I’m guessing they mean literacy? Who knows.
abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxy and z
don’t forget el-um-en-o-pee
They changed the song and took this out.
I wish I was kidding.
Man, there is so much missing from this.
Any country that says that they don’t have any “homeless or beggars” is either lying, or killing people on the street.
Or living in a labour camp.
Ah that’s what they mean with “right to work”!
Hey they have “right to work” in Florida! They must be the most “Democratic” place in the world!
The part they don’t like talking about is the police approach homeless people in China and give them the option to either do whatever job tbey are given or go to prison and dissapear.
When they refer to South Korea as Occupied Korea, I almost can’t breathe from laughing.
Look, I’m not some north Korea enthusiast. But i do think it’s alarming that America killed 25% of the north Korean population and then as a “thank you” split the country in two and hit the north with incredible strict economic sanctions. And then we’ve spent 70 years getting 3rd hand knowledge of the country through propaganda.
Do i think north Korea is some socialist paradise? Absolutely not. Do i think it’s fairly portrayed in English language news and social media?
Absolutely not
I imagine China forcing Koreans to rush armed and dug in American positions unarmed and en masse probably had more to do with that 25% dying than anything.
Although the meat grinder tactic China and Russia are so fond of is pretty effective, as the Battle of Chosin remains to this day the worst defeat the US Marines have ever suffered.
Anyway, you’re seriously misconstruing historical events.
It’s amazing when people say these things. Even Wikipedia will tell you 85% of all structures in North Korea were destroyed. No one even bothered to estimate military versus civilian deaths. I fucking hate tankies but there’s no point in being useless bullshitters ourselves. People with no regard for the truth are even worse than tankies.
some general(?) in the US air-force at the time complained that there was no more targets left to bomb
That’s a good point, I didn’t know about that little detail. Thanks for enlightening me.
America and the USSR agreed to partition Korea along the 38th parallel after liberating it from imperial Japanese rule.
Subsequent to that the Chinese communists agreed to arm and back north Korea in return for Korean support during China’s civil war.
Later on North Korea launched an invasion of South Korea I feel like this is a very important point you somehow completely failed to mention. They then captured most of the Korean peninsula down to Busan.
At this point the US (technically the UN but most forces were US) reinforced the ROK troops reclaimed the lost territory and invaded the north capturing Pyongyang.
At this point China reinforced the north Koreans and recaptured Pyongyang the fighting then stalemated around the 38th parallel after years of fighting an armistice was agreed and the current borders were agreed.
Your protratal of the US deciding on a whim to butcher the poor north Koreans then impose a separation on them would be laughable in how poorly it conveys events if you weren’t seeking to mis-atribute the cause of a war that killed 3 million people
And the standard penalty for invading another country is being bombed into the stone age? Nothing you said justifies what happened. Were NK bad? Fuck yes! Does that justify killing a quarter of their people? I hope you don’t think so, or you are at least are willing to massacre close to a hundred million Americans for consistency sake.
The standard penalty for starting a war is being in a state of war, during which your opponents will try to kill you. Until the war is over your opponents will keep trying to kill you.
Its worth noting that armestice wasn’t reached until Stalin died and the new soviet leaders weren’t interested in prolonging the war, which suggests that the belligerents in the conflict were happy to continue it as Koreans continued to die in order to support their territorial and idiological designs.
In my opinion the US shouldn’t have crossed the 38th parallel north, doing so brought china into the war and ended the possibility of a quick end to the war and fewer deaths, but that sin pales in comparison to starting the invasion in the first place.
The real tragedy is the same as it ever is in wars, innocent civilians and young soldiers die in droves because someone in power wanted more land, more subjects, more resources more power and made the decision to take it at the cost of these lives.
And let’s not pretend that if the ROK and the US didn’t fight there wouldn’t have been massacres of civilians, purges of intellectuals and “political dissidents” and forced migration.
The community we are in is somewhat appropriate when you are advocating that “war is bad” so people shouldn’t fight back when they are invaded because people die or powerful nations shouldn’t militarily support victims of invasions because that “prolongs the war” during which yes; people die. I see enough of that from the various anti-ukraine/pro-russia shills, it’s nice to see that logic gets applied to other cases where a country with red in it’s flag tries to annex its neighbour too.
It sounds to me like you think anything is fair in war. Provide as much random background as you want, none of it justifies the scale of destruction. Just look it up on Wikipedia and tell me again that it’s just war and it was all necessary to prevent the undoubtedly awful things NK had planned.
Way to disengage with every point made and assume I am a warmonger.
I did almost include a paragraph on the morality of the bombing of Pyongyang, but after some thought I realise it wasn’t even a decade after ww2 and area bombing cities was part of how America and its allies won that conflict.
Would you say bombing Germany was necessary or justified to stop facism in Europe? Was the bombing of Japan necessary or justified to end Japanese subjugation of Asia?
I’m not sure I have a consistent position on this, it feels like the bombing of Korea was excessive but the bombing of Germany was necessary, but I can’t find a good justification for that split.
Either way I’m not particularly interested in defending the US’s conduct, but the original commenter presenting the invading country as being innocent and laying all the blame for the war at the feet of the US is gross.
This isn’t even getting into the fact that NK has one of the worst human rights records in the world.
America and the USSR agreed to partition Korea along the 38th parallel after liberating it from imperial Japanese rule.
Your protratal of the US deciding on a whim to butcher the poor north Koreans then impose a separation on them…
Not afraid of straight up contradictions are you. Did the US impose separation or not? Koreans never agreed to that
Of course they didn’t. However, the alternative was the USSR and China wanted all of the peninsula, and I’m assuming that since the Koreans in the southern part of the nation were the first ones fighting to stop that, they didn’t like that option either.
Damn, their whole account is gone, what did they say?
I don’t remember the exact wording, but they basically said the Koreans probably didn’t want to be split in two by the USSR and United States.
Which is fair, considering South Korea still has a lot of people who want better relations with the North, they just don’t want to give up their freedoms to become serfs under a monarch.
Huh, surprised they got banned since that seems to be broadly true esp in context of your second point, maybe it was a different comment that got them nuked
They were evading their ban. They’ve made hundreds of accounts because they get banned constantly for being a dick to everyone they consider American.
I keep calling them out and reporting them every time they do so, and they’re getting very upset about it. Apparently I’m a snitch that needs to die lmao.
Ah yes the US are the good guys who did it for koreans own good
Yeah sure, NK is a total utopia. Especially like the part where it says “Workers are the owner of the means of production” as if they didn’t have one dictator that was in charge without anyone really having a choice.
yeah Kim owns the means of production but he also works real hard /s
Hey, that’s me!
Sorry you had to go through so much hate.
It does feel bad, but I keep thinking about the people who don’t know any better falling into that way of thinking. If there is at least one person in there questioning their circle jerk. I feel like it can save people a lot of trouble.
Thanks for creating this post! I think it also helps.
This I think is the indictment of the U.S.'s public education.
Are you implying that homelessness equates to education?
No, he’s saying that americans are dumb enough to believe such garbage
It’s universal though. USA at a higher percentage of people.
Yeah what’s a bit of casual racism on top of the anticommunist cake
Nah, I’ve just been there and talked to everyone. They say it’s all good
Maximal working hour: 8 per day.
And how many days per week?
I work 12hr shifts and I prefer it anyway.
10 for good citizens
20 in forced labor camps
It’s not forced labor, comrade, you’re free to exchange your work hours for torture sessions and reduced food rations!
If the "D"RPK is so great, why can’t people leave?
You know your country is a grade A shit hole where leaving brands you a traitor. Assuming you’re successful that is, and don’t get killed for trying.
If it’s so great, why won’t they move there?
To be fair, Norway, Finland, are good countries, but they’re not exactly accepting people at the moment, sadly. 😓
If YoU donT loVe AmEricA juSt LeaVe
Funny how you guys always end up sounding like right wingers
“They just don’t to leave!”
/s, but also that’s actually their argument.
Its also a stupid argument, I love the country I’m in, but I’m still going to leave to go on holiday or something.
Yeah you prolly take your plane to spain so you can get drunk for cheap.
First world privilege
Well yeah, it’s super fucking stupid, and a lie. And yet…
99.9% alphabetization? This is what the USA has been missing. The founding fathers failed us.
In a 99.9% alphabetized America, “USA” becomes “ASU”. This one simple trick turns bourgeois imperialist hegemon into a party school!!!
Yes, everyone lives alphabetized. Bob had better live to the either below, or to the left of Andy, OR ELSE!
most creative black mirror episode
That was one of the wildest comment chains I have read. If anybody is interested: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/7781901
The only sane person I found in this post is @ITguru@feddit.nl lmao
And they’re Gebannt…
It’s a pretty common thread for tankies. Comes up probably once a week.
