• iAvicenna@lemmy.world
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    1 day ago

    I wouldn’t be surprised if some cop who ate there wasn’t happy with the service he got and organised this shenanigan

  • minorkeys@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    Cops will take as much freedom as you give them and often they will attempt more than they have been granted. Never give cops an inch they are not legally entitled to. In democracies, laws exist to grant people freedom from the power of the state, not to grant the state freedom from the power of the people. Any laws that grant cops protection from the people are laws of a tyranny. We get only the protections of the state that our rights make possible and no more. Trading freedom for security gets us neither.

    • goldfndr@lemmy.ml
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      2 days ago

      In democracies, laws exist to grant people freedom from the power of the state, not to grant the state freedom from the power of the people. Any laws that grant cops protection from the people are laws of a tyranny. We get only the protections of the state that our rights make possible and no more. Trading freedom for security gets us neither.

      Correction: In democracies, laws exist to grant power to the state, not to grant people freedom from the state. For example, I’m guessing that in your nearest democracy, there’s probably not a law granting you the freedom to stand still for more than a minute or lie down for more than a minute. The people’s freedom is a default.

      Now, perhaps what you were thinking of was that some laws have exceptions (that might be phrased as affirmative defenses). But those aren’t granting freedom to the people, they are restricting law enforcement. It’s like a “tax refund” — the government isn’t giving you their money, it’s returning your own money.

    • GrumpyDuckling@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      2 days ago

      I still think about this scene a lot because I’ve been there sheen relatively normal people casually talked about going to cities and shooting "democrats“ while also talking about the guns they were currently buying. I should have turned them in.

        • GrumpyDuckling@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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          2 days ago

          I have too many family members who are Leo, plus other reasons why they shouldn’t do that. Plus it would be homeland security or FBI for various other reasons. But it could be ICE because I know a lot of immigrants. It would be a clusterfuck.

    • TheDoozer@lemmy.world
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      3 days ago

      I wonder if the director told that actor “have, just, the worst trigger discipline. Make it look like you have no business handling a firearm.”

      • duhbasser@lemm.eeEnglish
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        2 days ago

        In the movie this is right after he executes 2 Chinese journalist, so lack of trigger discipline kinda makes sense. Oh and he’s about to try to execute a bunch more people in the up coming moments

        • miraclerandy@lemmy.world
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          2 days ago

          Agreed. Dude was unhinged and didn’t give a fuck about any of that in this scene. Which obviously made it more tense

          • duhbasser@lemm.eeEnglish
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            2 days ago

            I’m not sure how well received this movie is but I really enjoyed it. The movie did a good job at not really identifying this characters “military affiliation” as well as the first group of militia they ran into. To my knowledge, nothing really identified these two groups as being affiliated with the government or resistance, so the tendency to just kill everyone you don’t know is probably how most things would get handled in the fallout/duration of a civil war.

  • Ledericas@lemm.eeEnglish
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    3 days ago

    i assume asian owners, but yea asians and hispanic(working in the kitchen) have similar cultures even if not from the same continent. a white owner would give them up in a second.

  • Hikuro-93@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    3 days ago

    So how long until real criminals start following suit and impersonating undercover ICE agents? Not like there’s much distinction between either “career” now, is there?

    And then how long until ICE agents start showing up with holes on the ground because property owners “thought” they were real street thugs trying to rob them? Is there even a way to tell the difference? ~wink wink~

    • qarbone@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 days ago

      They’d be caught out too quickly.

      “Hey, wait a second! Yeah, you’re holding me at gunpoint but you’re asking me to put the money in the bag? But real ICE would have just kidnapped me!”

    • rottingleaf@lemmy.world
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      3 days ago

      And then how long until ICE agents start showing up with holes on the ground because property owners “thought” they were real street thugs trying to rob them? Is there even a way to tell the difference? ~wink wink~

      Should happen more often, this aversion to civil violence is a bit like a game of “I drop my weapon, you drop yours” between governments and people, except governments never fulfill their part.

      Like Russian opposition trying to do “everything by the law” until realizing the other side never was, it was just silent enough in killing and randomly vanishing people and pretending its just dumb thieves. The same is happening in the EU right now, they just don’t know it yet.

  • corsicanguppy@lemmy.caEnglish
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    3 days ago

    I wanna see security footage of them posted online, so other businesses in the area know there are vigilantes posing as secret police.