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      sadly, it looks like these ghouls are making up now, it was all a little puppet show…

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    Ok, so let me try to make sense of this:

    Around the year 2010-2020, i and many other vehemently warned against the issue of rising national debt. Yet “experts” said “it’s fine, we can make as much debt as we want to, nothing bad is going to happen because of it lol”.

    Starting in the last 5 years or so, lots of experts say “oh no, the national debt is way to high, that’s a disaster, that’s a catastrophe, we can’t let that happen, who put us into this situation?” Just let me appreciate the irony for a bit. I fucking called it. I said this was going to happen. I was called insane. This feels really validating to me.

    Anyways, since now lots of people, including economists, are angry that the debt is too high, people want it lowered. The obvious and straightforward solution would of course be to introduce a wealth tax (i.e. a tax on millionaires and billionaires).

    In the beginning of 2025, Musk and Trump both agreed (at least in public) that the debt has to be lowered. Musk’s attempt was to cut the federal government. Well, the federal government spends money for two things, mostly: subsidies (social security, medical bill assistance, …) and data-processing (i.e., enforcing regulations, tax collection agency, …). The first one costs most of the money, but reducing it gets the public angry (understandably) and is therefore a political suicide. The second one doesn’t really cost that much, yet that is the one that Musk attempted to reduce to the point of dysfunctionality. Since it didn’t cost much to begin with, reducing it didn’t save a lot of money. In May 2025, Trump says “was Musk’s DOGE all a hoax?” and the feud begins. Musk realizes that Trump is against increasing taxes for the rich and publicly accuses Trump of having no actual intention of lowering the national debt. This is where we are now.

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      The rethuglicans have literally used false concern about the debt for decades now? They then get into office and blow it up, but the next time a dem is in office, the debt is once again the worst problem ever and is out of control. Rinse>repeat, again, for decades now.

      Edit: oh, the article posted by SoleInvictus lays it out much better than I tried

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      70% of the country can’t stand him, but Rand Paul has been saying this too, and sometimes voting against the Republicans on spending.

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      The ultimate irony being that the “national debt” is simply the tally of all interest bearing and non interest bearing dollars created by the government that haven’t been taxed out of existence.

      There’s no scenario where we can’t pay debt denominated in our own currency, unless the government chooses not to pay.

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sectoral_balances

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        There’s no scenario where we can’t pay debt denominated in our own currency, unless the government chooses not to pay.

        Well, yeah, but having an exponentially inflating debt leads to hyperinflation which makes the dollar worthless, and that has real-world consequences.

        I think if the dollar loses its value, society will jump to another alternative payment method, maybe crypto or sth else entirely, and that would be worse because it means you end up without state control. I.e., it is like having no state regulations anymore, and then who protects the citizens from corpo’s overreach? A lot of regulations are tied to things-being-measured-in-dollars. Like corporate taxes, or social security.

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    Elmo the degenerate mass murderer can get fucked.

    They are both corrupt degenerates that lack humanity and should be dealt with in a way that accounts for their lack of humanity.

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          So hard use of ketamine causes extensive damage to the urinary tract, and damages the bladder (and eventually causes kidney failure as shit backs up.)

          It makes pissing incredibly painful.

          Thing is, when ejaculating, semen also passed through the urethra, which is part of the lower urinary tract. So that would also probably be incredibly painful as well.

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            Oh wow, that‘s horrifying. That‘s even worse than the shit cocaine does to the body over time. What a dumbass Elmo is for doing so much K

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              “this is your dick. This is your dick on drugs. No. really. OUCH. Don’t do drugs, kay!” is a very persuasive message.

              And yes, it is horrifying. Though I kinda think it’s karmic justice in Musk’s case.

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    I mean I agree but what a little piss ant, lol.

    Very “Kick me out of your club, huh? Well see about that …”

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    Consider this, JD Vance is Peter Thiel’s Acolyte, who desperately wants to bring about a global technocracy. What if all of this hasn’t been a genuine attempt yet. What if it’s merely theatre that has been setting the stage for Vance to take over. Trump gets to enrich his family beyond their wildest imagination, then he peaces out and the real horror begins.

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      I don’t see Vance flags on people’s trucks. I see Trump flags. I just don’t know that Vance gets the backing Trump does. I think the Rs capitulate to Trump so much because of his rabies base, and there’s this concern they’ll be replaced by someone who Trump endorses.

      I do think it’s all a game for wealthy people, and we will just pay for it one way or another, regardless.

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        MAGA is a classic cult of personality. It’s all HitlerPig, there is no #2 waiting in the wings, not even his own spawn. When HitlerPig goes, MAGA is dead, and the backstabbing will become open warfare.

        If the Dems can get their shit together, and have the spine to act, they’ll have the opportunity to sweep up the most corrupt traitors, and remove them from politics forever. They can hit a giant reset button on American politics.

        Let’s see if they have the nerve for bold action on America’s behalf.

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    Anybody have any idea what they’re trying to hide with this puppet show? Is the big bill getting too much attention or is it something else?

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      There was news today that the Senate is considering cutting Medicare in addition to Medicaid, as well as news of major changes to how science funding is sent out to researchers. Also the travel bans for foreign nationals from certain countries.

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      I think you’re giving them too much credit. I’m pretty sure this really is just a senile old man feuding with a ketamine addict.

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          I don’t really see how. Trump could be playing it up a little to distract from the Medicare cuts, but I imagine he’s genuinely pissed about the Epstien thing. That probably played really badly with his base. There’s also no way Musk is doing this as a distraction; Telsa’s stock is imploding because of this.

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            I think its a senile russian asset fighting a ketamine addict and both of their handlers are simply making good use of the natural distraction.

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            While I don’t necessarily want to believe there’s anything decent in any of his supporters, I also really don’t feel like he’d lose a single one being a proven pedophile. They’re all in.

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      I highly doubt it’s anything. They’re selfish egotistical people out for their own gains. Elon never cared for Trump or the Republicans, just about what made him the most money. Now he’s buthurt and lashing out.

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    Lol this is getting better and better! We knew they’d have a breakup eventually.

    With luck muskrat will give us some damning evidence as he tries to win back the public’s view via his new PR team lolol

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    We live in stupid times… where oligarchs fight each other on twitter

    Is stinky out of Special K again?

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    I really loathe narcistic billionaires and hate paying any attention to them at all. But 2 narcisstic billionaires fighting each other? That I like to watch.

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      The only disadvantage is that one of them will probably come out on top and become even more insufferable than he was before.