• ramenshaman@lemmy.world
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    12 hours ago

    I wish No Kings protests in the US looked a little more like this. That’s fucking awesome.

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          It doesn’t show correlation. They’re probably making a point about priorities, because it shows more people attend furry conventions over the course of a year than ICE protests.

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            Absolutely correct. I made the graph out of a joke and did not expect the result. A lot of US people still believe that what they are doing is “heavily protesting the government”.

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      8 hours ago

      If this was an american no kings protest, those cop cars would have been swerving to hit the protesters.

      The cops would later say that the protesters stepped in front of their car, and would get no punishment.

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        Don’t worry, French cops did it at least one time during the high schoolers protests we had the last few days/weeks. We are witnessing a very violent response from the police here in France (nothing close to what ICE is doing in the USA…yet)

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      11 hours ago

      Oh I mean, If you wanna go back to BLM where Americans set fire and destroyed several businesses sure. People act like Americans have never destroyed property, the problem is that it wasn’t properly coordinated and people were burning down random fucking businesses rather than actual places that deserve it. All it lead to was food deserts and small businesses shuttering.

      Never mind the fact that we could and would absolutely get shot for rolling up on a cop car like this but, sure man. I do love getting my daily reminder from non-US people that I should go outside and get myself killed today.

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          11 hours ago

          No, not really, and I mean that genuinely.

          There are too many people on here that say shit like “You should firebomb a Walmart” and mean it with their whole heart. We already had that with the Kimberly-Clarke warehouse and we got diaper shortages. Firebombing a Walmart only hurts the locals in the area who won’t get food.

          Even with bombing a police station, pray that locals actually care about each other and can respond to emergencies appropriately. I absolutely think police need reform but I’m not gonna sit here and go “I don’t need to call the cops if someone breaks into my house”

          Firebombing a billionaires house? Absolutely, it hurts no one else but them (pray that no house workers are in there). Fireboming cop cars when they’re attacking protesters? Sure.

          But people are fucking stupid. Luigi shot did nothing to that CEO and that’s great and all, but it didn’t change anything. Now we got a chucklefuck who shot a random pharmacist because “Big Pharma Bad.”

          I just think that too many people on here are encouraging senless violence rather than actual, planned, and carefully considerated operations. And i do not want to see innocents get caught up in brash, half-baked bouts of insanity because a person thought they were “helping.”

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        6 hours ago

        The student picked up a stun grenade that had been thrown and it exploded in their hand.

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          Yeah that’s the cops’ version. The students around said that they didn’t pick it up.

          Also, even if they did… Are you saying that a kid was at fault for picking up explosives thrown at them? That the only problem in the story, is that he grabbed it, otherwise everything else was fine?

          What the fuck.

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            if they did pick it up, why so?, this is not fucking COD where you just throw back granades, at most daring you should kick them, always run from them instead

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            I’m not sure they are saying it’s fine otherwise. But that aside I wonder what would be an outcry if the grenade got back to the police and blown near some cop

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          So, a cop threw a stun grenade that blew off a student’s hand. Ergo, a cop blew off a student’s hand.

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            4 hours ago

            That’s a misrepresentation.

            Whether or not you want to hold the cop responsible is irrelevant.

            “a cop blew off a students hand” is intentionally omitting critical information.

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              Cops shouldn’t have access to anything that could potentially blow off a person’s hand, especially not a thing made to be used in public.

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                Again, that’s irrelevant.

                I don’t really disagree, this is not a conversation about how police should be armed.

                If you’re trying to describe the event, “a cop blew off a students hand” is very obviously a misrepresentation.

                You’re welcome to make a case that the cop shouldn’t have been there or shouldn’t have been armed, but “a cop blew off a students hand” does not describe what happened.

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              Was the stun grenade required?

              If it was not thrown, would it have been there for someone to pick up in an attempt to throw it and protect those around them?

              They could…like…just pay teachers more. No stun grenades needed to be used on unarmed civilians.

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                None of that is relevant to the question of whether the statement “a cop blew off a students hand” accurately describes the event.

                You’re very obviously omitting key details with intent to mislead and it just undermines your position.

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                  I’m literally adding details.

                  You’re obfuscating and attempting to only follow a very direct throughline. I’m saying to hold the further removed layers accountable.

                  What you’re doing is essentially saying that the actions and choices of the wealthy elites and legislators is not violence on us simply because they didn’t pull the trigger themselves.

                  Wage theft is violence. Healthcare denials are violence. Excessive police force is absolutely violence. And it all could’ve been avoided.

                  So yes, the officer that threw the grenade is responsible. The chief of police who ordered them to carry such excessive force for unarmed civilians is responsible. The administration of the school who steal wages, overcharge students, and diminish their educations to turn a larger profit are responsible. The legislators and executives who refuse to protect the people and bend to the whims of the wealthy and allow the situation to continue while they often collect more wealth themselves are responsible.

                  So, kindly, stfu if you’re blaming a person trying to protect others for the insurmountable harm the system puts us all through. Wake the fuck up. The people you’re defending would just as easily throw stun grenades your way without a second thought.

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      6 hours ago

      it’s cool they’re destroying stuff to get educated better

      i wonder if these guys will pass those courses they so desperately want

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        I don’t think Americans can really throw any shade on anyone about how to protest.

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        You have heard of that demonstration, and not of the (LOT of) other one. So it’s a necessary mean. And you may be surprised that it have work in the past. Not always, but CEO whining for the destruction to stop have more chance than union asking politely to not be threaten by their workplaces

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        It’s not the demonstrators, it’s the usual bunch of idiots that use that excuse to break stuff and pillage shops. It’s become pretty much systematic.

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          Him, his family, everyone who donated over 10k in the last election to Republicans, anyone who donated to his ballroom fund and anyone he appointed to any government position need to be executed outright.

          All this bullshit about reforming/expanding the supreme Court is entirely unnecessary. Nothing that Trump has done is legitimate. Just retcon all of his actions since 2016. His SC judges? Yeah they’re gone, straight to a military tribunal. The next president will get to nominate at least 3 new SC judges, and every case since a Trump nominee hit the court will need to be re-done. Same with his cereal judge nominations. Fox News will lose it’s broadcast license along with other foreign owned media companies that have conspired to subvert our democracy.

          If there’s any pushback, open the net. People that donated 5k or more, federal prison. All Republicans house/Senate members? Fucking dead.

          If they bitch, open it up more, their kids will have all assets seized, etc.

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      Our police have low end military equipment, that’s about it. Being militarized means not having fat lazy 40-60 year olds on the force, and America sure as shit ain’t there yet.

      Our police love the optics of having military gear, but quite frankly they aren’t trained and versed on military tactics, discipline, or a number of other things that would make them effective. That’s why when there’s a real problem like a school shooting or hostage situation they just stand around sucking each other off while wearing body army and holding $1500 AR’s. They’re just security theater. They care about getting easy overtime. They want to go home at the end of the day. They don’t want to die violently. They are paper tigers.

      The best part is that when one dies or quits, they have to hire a replacement. It would be fairly easy to create a scenario where a PD NEEDS to hire new officers ASAP, then you flood then with Manchurian applicants. Get your man inside, then you’re golden.

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        Our police love the optics of having military gear, but quite frankly they aren’t trained and versed on military tactics, discipline, or a number of other things that would make them effective. That’s why when there’s a real problem like a school shooting or hostage situation they just stand around sucking each other off while wearing body army and holding $1500 AR’s. They’re just security theater. They care about getting easy overtime. They want to go home at the end of the day. They don’t want to die violently. They are paper tigers.

        Weird, that perfectly describes the cops in the US.

        Oh and militarized just means giving the cops military equipment, mostly armored vehicles and projectile launchers that wouldn’t normally be used in civilian work. Police are civilians, and I think they understand that in France better than anywhere, because you don’t allow them military vehicles and gear to fight the populace. Unfortunately, no other country got the message. We give MRAPS to our thugs with badges. It’s hard to fight back, even when you have pistols, shotguns, and rifles, when the thugs with badges have crowd control weapons. Sonic inhibitors, UV dispersal units, and lethal options like their standard issue AR-15.

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        I dunno where the fuck you’re from but American cops definitely aren’t fat 40-60 year old slobs. That’s one of the things that is so dangerous about them, they’re young dudes with a chip on their shoulder and shit to prove (and now let just ICE, they’re the bottom of the barrel but they’re hadly an exception)

        Now if you’re from a rich community where everyone has gates and private patrols then yeah maybe it’s all fat old cops collecting a check where nothing happens because they roll out the SWAT team when people from “those other neighborhoods” get near, yeah maybe I see where the idea comes from

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    The French are fucking legit. We need that energy in the US. I mean, it’s much easier to organize and meet in city centers in France than in the US, but if you can get 2000 dedicated and coordinated people to split into groups of around 500 and cause chaos simultaneously in any large city you’ll overwhelm the local police, national guard, whoever they decide to call in. Plus a group of organized patriots could easily disperse and blend back into the crowd if needed, then re-convene, regroup, and hit them where they ain’t. I mean FFS there’s a national guard armory a few miles from me with hummers, apc’s, a few tanks, and all sorts of sweet military gear. At any given time there’s probably 30 people or less on site guarding things, and they don’t really wanna die. There’s a single chain link fence with some cantina wire keeping people out. A car or a pair of bolt cutters will take care of that. You show up with a few hundred armed civilians, smoke the hell out of the place, cut power lines to the armory, and let them know they can either hand over the keys, disarm, and leave, or they’ll be burned down with the building they’re in.

    Most military vehicles don’t even have keys. If you get thru the fence and can open the door/hatch, it’s yours.

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    about the lack of teachers, pay, COL,etc., and the rioting has gone out of control the police are fleeing from the areas. this might drive voters into LePennes hand unfortunately.

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      Riots aren’t what drives people to the far-right. Macron doing heavy propaganda in favour of the far right for a decade, did.

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      Oh yeah it definitely will. Because of 2 factors

      1. In a crisis, voters tend to vote radical populism

      2. Melanchon and the left do not have resources. The rich have chosen the side almost unanimously.